Simon Suraci

Milking usually refers to prostate milking. You can include many other activities, but it typically involves manual stimulation of both the cock and prostate, often (but not always) simultaneously.

Correct, Americans can’t legally advertise their escort rates. Any new provider or provider profile in the last 5 or so years (maybe longer?) would never have been prompted to list their rates. There is no place to post rates. Providers with rate info would have had to post that at least several years ago, so definitely rates are out of date. Unless you’re driving 86 mph with a flux capacitor in tow … and manage to snag a sports almanac. Then you can hire whoever you want according to any of the rates posted online in 2015! And hire as many as you want, as often as you want. You might even host them at your own casino.

I’m interested too.

This confirms my general impression of twenty something Gen Z providers. If he wants to stay in the industry for any period of time, he will have to pivot his approach…Or diversify income with other work like OF or other, to support his penchant for pickiness in clients. More and more “influencers” and IG hotties manage to survive by making other content, advertising, or marketing other stuff. They don’t have to take most clients to make their coin. Their provider work is just gravy on the side, so they can afford to treat it much less seriously.

Cynicism gets us every time!

It can’t be 9/10, otherwise you would not have so many providers working for so long or so many positive discussions of providers here. The whole pic exchange scenario is common among new and inexperienced providers, and among those who don’t last long. Your experience may be tainted by all the constant new faces who disappear as quickly as they showed up. Good, reputable providers know how to handle themselves professionally. When you choose a reputable provider, either by info from the forums, a recommendation, or other source, you’re way less likely to get someone behaving unprofessionally.

You never need to provide a photo. A provider asking for one is indicative that they are new to the business, possibly unprofessional, or straight up want to monetize their sex life by picking and choosing whoever they would otherwise be willing to sleep with and charging. When a client offers a photo unsolicited, I get a little wary because it becomes an invitation to comment on it, like the client is expecting me to affirm how attractive they are (even when they are very unattractive). Attractive clients are particularly problematic because they expect me to fall all over myself trying to make them happy, or expect me to offer them discounts or free services. It puts me in an awkward position because I either have to say nothing or lie to them, whether they be attractive or unattractive. I prefer to avoid the whole asking for validation component. I’m going to see the client regardless of how they look, so it’s really unnecessary.

That can be arranged 😊 I’m in Dallas through July 2023, then off to San Diego starting August 2023.

I’m willing to bet we all agree on how gravity works, but we most certainly do not all agree on how to define human sexuality and its related terms. The analogy, therefore, simply does not apply. Sexuality is fluid. The question “is this provider straight?” presupposes that it’s a 100% black or 100% white issue. It’s not. A man can be straight and enjoy a m4m experience. Some would say he is not straight in that case. As far as the man is concerned, he still identifies himself as straight. Who is right? That whole discussion is a separate issue. How do we define straight, gay and other identities? WHO gets to decide what applies and what doesn’t and to whom? WHO decides on the exceptions and clarifies the nuances? You will never get 100% agreement from everyone on the answers to those questions - AND I’m not attempting to get agreement on those answers in this thread. That is why I put it aside; those answers are beside the point. I posit that sexual orientation and identity, however someone defines those, are irrelevant to a successful provider-client business transaction. My point is: a provider can market himself as “straight”, perform as if he’s straight, and deliver an experience the client wants. When the client believes the provider is straight (according to the client’s own definition of “straight”) and enjoys the experience, he’s happy. Nothing else is relevant. Period. Even if the provider is straight-for-pay, or technically bi, or whatever. Feel free to argue about how you define all of those sexual identity terms elsewhere. It’s an interesting discussion to have. However, with regard specifically to MY point, those definitions are irrelevant. Worst case scenario: the provider is not straight, knows it, and deliberately fools his clients by acting out a persona, a character. At the end of the day, if a provider markets himself as straight (but really isn’t), dupes his clients, and then sexually enjoys men in the privacy of his home and inner thoughts, that’s his business. The client doesn’t need to know. What difference does it make to the client as long as the client is convinced of the provider’s straightness? That’s still a successful business transaction for the client and the provider. That’s why I’m questioning how relevant a provider’s sexuality is in the first place. If he’s a good actor, all else works out regardless. And if the provider is genuinely straight (by any definition you want to apply), fine. Same outcomes. What does it matter?

Thanks for sharing. Yes, these are definitely perks of getting a massage at a spa or resort. I may have to try more then. Haven’t had much luck so far. You’re also right about the private guys - you can get a more erotic experience from someone attractive. The quality when you do that, however, varies widely. Private massages from someone highly skilled are difficult to find, but when I do I have no problem spending.

Switch to dark mode.

I actually agree with @Danny-Darkoon this point. When getting paid you do whatever you must to go through the motions to make a client happy. For those clients who want straight men, I’m assuming part of the fantasy is that the provider is genuinely straight so he’s willingly doing something you know he wouldn’t otherwise want to do or be willing to do without payment. I’m intentionally ignoring that sexuality is fluid reality for the sake of argument. It’s a power thing, where money is the power. Evidence of, or impression of, the provider being straight i.e. must play straight porn, etc. reinforces that the client has power over someone he normally wouldn’t have power over in the real world. That’s a rush, I get it. “Everything is about sex, except sex. Sex is about power.” Every experience is a little different. You can connect with someone on a friendly level which helps on the physical front. Also, you can STILL not be genuinely straight, play a straight character, perform, and make a client happy. As long as the client is successfully duped, no harm no foul. The client got the experience he wanted and is none the wiser. All are happy. In that case it doesn’t matter if the client is “actually” straight (again, nuances out the window for the sake of argument), it only matters that the client BELIEVES the provider is genuinely straight. Aside - it is possible to be violated when you’re hard. Orgasm does not always mean you’re into what’s happening. The same applies for consensual situations. Ask any closeted gay man who has sex with his wife on a regular basis. I know a few of those.

I struggle justifying the cost. You’re right, more clients use RentMasseur. I would be willing to pay more for RentMasseur and less for MasseurFinder but I value both, so they cancel one another out. Every time I seriously consider dropping MF, I gain a good new client from it. Also, MF keeps increasing prices, so if you cancel the service and re-join later, they charge you even more than they did before. Yikes. The weekly specials feature on MasseurFinder regularly brings in new business. I’d use a specials feature on RentMasseur if they had one. MF clients are better, on average, than RM clients.

Just curious, what do you mean by “rough”? If this is too public for response, PM me.

@BuffaloKyle It’s close to Dallas but I’ll be in San Diego next year. Bummer. I’ll have to settle for Bonnie Tyler. For the heart stuff, you may still need to hire a provider. 😘

I bring in trusted providers for clients who want more than one. I charge the client all of our regular rates which vary plus a nominal coordination fee for myself on top of that and lump it all together into one quote.

I wonder how pink his head is?

@DWnyc thanks for sharing. This is what many white people actually think but may be hesitant to share openly. What a bummer. Systemic racism and historical injustices cause black people to be in worse situations, on average, than white people. For example, living in poorer areas. I’m wondering how things will improve economically for black people if the approach is to not hire them by association. Not all live in poverty or high crime neighborhoods or use drugs. Even for those that do, would we not want them to have access to economic mobility? Disqualifying based on race alone reinforces systemic bias and inequality. How much of a risk is it to see a black provider, anyway? I suppose if a client is scared of the neighborhood he could request an outcall. If he’s concerned about drugs, he could ask the provider if he allows or encourages drug use. Remember that plenty of white providers are all about PNP, so watch out for them too if you want to steer clear of drugs. If violence, he could stipulate no weapons. If we think more critically about it, there are ways to overcome culturally ingrained pearl-clutching behavior.

I never haggle prices upward after agreeing to see a client for a certain discounted fee. This is just bad business. I keep to my word so as to give clients every reason to return, refer, and review. Generally I don’t discount because I already provide so many advertised discount specials and standing discounts as it is. A recent example of client haggling was with a black client. At first he asked if I saw black clients. I was floored that he even felt the need to ask the question. It made me sad to think anyone made him feel unwelcome because of his race. Of course I see black clients! I live in Dallas, so I’m going to have many, if statistics and demographics play any role at all. I was firm on price with the client and gave him all my specials and a day of the week discount, and pretty much every avenue for him to see me for a lower price without giving him a flat out discount that I wouldn’t otherwise give to someone else if they met the criteria. He kept pressing. We settled at $20 more than he wanted and $20 less than I was charging. Crazy to even have that conversation, it seems so trivial. I wasn’t busy at the time, so I agreed to discount his first massage. This was before we agreed to the appointment so we were on the same page. No surprise haggling later. I figured it was an opportunity to prove my value so he would be motivated to return and pay my full rate without hesitation. My client arrived nearby but was really turned around, was on another street. I give very clear directions and clients consistently find me pretty easily, so this was unusual. We had several phone calls but clearly he has a very hard time orienting himself. Finding landmarks, going south, or even following the direction of the sun were a challenge. Why he refused to follow automated map directions in an app I will never know. On top of everything, he has a pretty severe stutter, so it took quite a bit of patience and understanding to get through everything. Some people have speech impediments, no biggie. We’re about 45 mins past his start time and I insist he stay on the phone so I could coach him to exactly where he needed to go. I met him a few blocks away where he parked, to escort him from there on foot to my studio. All the while I’m thinking “Thank God I have no clients booked right after”. That would have been a disaster. By the way, my clients can park for free right on site, but getting him any closer was going to be a real struggle. I did a great job, as I do. The client was thrilled with my work, and he ended up paying my full rate anyway. He mentioned that he was so thankful for my patience and kindness toward him. During the massage he mentioned several of his friends who all like to go out to male strip clubs together. I told him about my referral discount which gives a benefit to him and the friend he refers. Since then, he’s referred three of his friends who all love my work and plan to return. Patience and kindness, in this case, came back to me in spades. And a little luck. I don’t know what I would have done if another client was booked right after his scheduled appointment time. Actually I do. I would have had to make the late client reschedule. It’s quite rare, but I get annoyed when a client tries to haggle down in person AFTER agreeing to see me for a certain fee. I see no pattern in race when this happens. The most recent example was an early 20s white guy paying me in cash. It was $5 less than the agreed upon amount because he didn’t have the full cash amount on him. I didn’t care about the five bucks, just the principle of the thing. It upset me that he would disrespect me after I went out of my way to offer him my student and youth discount on my lowest possible 30 min massage rate. And on short notice late at night past my normal hours, to boot. Ugggh it’s about respect.

All good points. LA is very trend forward and materialistic. It’s fair to ask about if you’re interested in getting guys in ‘peak’ condition. I have a hard time imagining this one not looking very good over a few years, but it happens. People put on weight. I’ve seen people post pics from 20 years ago, yikes! That’s the exception, not the rule though. Have you had success with hotel/resort massages? I’ve tried a few and they were all way overpriced for the quality. I’d rather hire privately for the same or less and get better quality.

I hear your point and mostly agree. To be devil’s advocate, I don’t think we should punish someone or assume the worst for using an older phone. Not everyone feels the need to buy a new $1000+ device every year or two. You’re assuming he took the photo that same year he got the phone or not long after, likely within 2 years. Maybe he took it four years after he bought the device and has only posted the photo for the last two years. Who knows? Let’s say you’re right, the photo is old. Do the other clients say he doesn’t look like his photos? No. Quite the opposite. And he’s a hottie. I just can’t believe that he’s so grossly different from a photo taken a few years ago that you would be appalled and want to walk out in utter disgust. Quick PSA: providers should have professional photos, not selfies. It’s just bad form. Same thing with outdated photos. Images should be between 0-2 years old, ideally new every 6-12 months if this is your main job. Selfies are really common though. When you look like a Hemsworth I guess it doesn’t matter that much… …And yet clients still pick and peck at the smallest thing… I can’t forgive the whole no-show situation. That’s another issue entirely.

The age factor has been easier for me to verify than race. Time and again, I see lower rates listed, on average, for providers on the older end of the spectrum, all other factors being constant. It’s too bad because some of them offer great service. A provider I work with in his mid to late 40s charges less than the other provider I work with who is 30yo. I’m in my mid 30s and charge the same as the younger guy. That’s sad and unfair. I’d like to hear from more providers of color if this is true in their perception. I would not be surprised. It’s kind of like the double standard Americans have for female celebrities; we rake women over the coals for the smallest thing, but male celebrities can be total pigs and assholes and nobody calls them out for their behavior. Gradually that’s changing for the better, but change is slow. Black and other non-white providers experience constant micro aggressions in their daily lives outside work. The last thing they need is another person punching down when they’re trying to do their job. When you hire a POC, tip them for good service and treat them well. Have grace for them being human like any other provider. Show them you value them by not haggling over a reasonable market rate. It’s demoralizing for anyone. The haggling thing happens to me too, more frequently from clients who have less available to spend. The unfortunate reality is many of them are people of color, but I still get this behavior from white clients working in lower earning careers, college students, unemployed folks, and others. Some of my black clients are well-off. Some of my lowest earning clients spend small fortunes on hiring without a second thought and I can’t wrap my head around it. Clients with medium to high earning careers generally don’t haggle, irrespective of race.

Thank you for clarifying. More of a figurative button in the sense that it turns you on like a switch. Not a literal raised bump. More like a belly “button” in that sense, except under the skin, it’s smaller, and you can’t stick your finger in it like a belly button. And it would not be an “outie” belly button either, but an “innie”. Agree, more like a dimple or a divot. It’s quite subtle for those unfamiliar with the button. There is no official term for this part of a man’s body that I’m aware of. Perhaps “button” is misleading. Any other better words for it? “Pleasure Divot” doesn’t have quite the same ring to it!

This is a rather thorny question. Thank you for your candor @Shawn Monroe. I agree with @José Soplanucas. Other providers of color please weigh in. My experience being a white cis gay man is quite narrow. I take an optimistic view that things are getting better and more equitable with time. Fortunately clients like @LostUpstate are hiring. Systemic racism is still a strong lingering reality in the US. I’ve experienced it in the traditional workplace and with some of my clients in this field. Clients say with various levels of openness or coded language that they prefer white men over others. Some of those clients are white, but many of them are not white. I’ve also heard preferences for other races, some frequently fetishizing “BBC”, things like that. The U.S has a long history of euro centric beauty standards. However, these are changing more and more over time. Every provider is different. Race is only one factor. Here are a few scenarios to illustrate my point: 1. Provider 1 is race A and is a top in demand for their reputation as a well performing penetrator, and their local bottom heavy market supports a demand for their services. Maybe their large cock contributes to their appeal, among other factors. Race may be only a secondary factor. 2. Provider 2 is race B and offers highly specialized kink services that are harder for a client to find and so they pay a higher rate than market average. In that case it has less to do with race B, and more to do with his niche. 3. Provider 3 is race C and gets a lot of attention from a small pool of clients who are really attracted to him because of his race, and that race happens to be a minority in his local market. Prices may actually be higher for provider 3 because he’s catering to a niche market who specifically wants him for identifying with, and having the look of race C. That same provider may not be able to charge those higher prices in a different market where more providers are available catering to client preferences for race C. In that case, location governs more strongly. 4. Provider 4 is race D and he gets a lot of attention from a large pool of clients who are really attracted to this provider because of his race. Prices may be higher for provider 4 because he’s got mass appeal. Problem is, provider 4 has poor communication skills. He doesn’t respond, he flakes, he’s rude, he’s impatient, he can’t have a decent conversation or deliver on his promises. This guy develops a poor reputation and few clients are willing to hire him for his advertised rates. Eventually his bad reputation catches up to him and he either has to lower his rates, or he charges higher rates to only those few who care more about his look than about good service. In each scenario but 4, a different factor other than race is driving client hiring decisions more strongly than race. Race certainly plays a major role and I don’t mean to downplay it, but hiring decisions are often much more complex than that. The client is hiring the whole package, not just a skin color or a detached body part. Compatibility, reliability, reputation, quality of experience, and follow through are equally important. Unfortunately scenario 4 happens quite often with white providers, even though the client continues to have mediocre or bad experiences with provider 4 and others like him. Here’s an example from my own experience of systemic racism in our field: I work occasionally with a white guy who is married to a black guy. His black husband is also a provider. Clients have straight up told my friend that they will not hire a second provider for their session that looks like his black husband. So they hire someone like me to work with the white provider husband instead. Seems it would make more sense for the two husbands to work together, seeing as they will naturally have more chemistry. It’s really unfortunate, but that kind of hiring behavior still governs a lot of the time. By the way, when they travel together, they post separate ads and see different clients. Part of it is that not everyone wants to hire more than one guy, but also I think their approach speaks to the fact that bias factors majorly into hiring decisions. I don’t know if they charge different rates. I will ask and report back.

Some consider me a ginger. Although I consider myself a blond. And yes, the carpet matches the drapes and the pillow covers and everything else! My hole is smooth and sexy. 😘 I will be taking no follow up questions to this comment ☝️ nor sending photos. Anticipating those requests already and no, sorry boys. Just hire me.