What went wrong?

[marylander1940]

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Edited yesterday at 01:24 AM by marylander1940

[marylander1940]

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[marylander1940]

I'm aware the escort in question didn't answer about whether he was able to flex his pecs or not 

What went wrong? Did the client find a cheaper closer better looking guy? 

Is there a bit of passive aggressiveness in the way he ended communications?

[+ Kman]

My guess is he found a cheaper or more ideal hire.  The client, to me, was asking a lot of questions at once and the provider was just trying to answer them all.  

[DunwoodyGuy]

These things happen. Move on. Best not to start threads about it.

[Whoisyourdaddy]

Communication has always been difficult for me. However, I never contact a provider unless I'm ready to meet them within thirty minutes. I'm showered, dressed, and ready to get into my car. If I have to get a hotel because he can't host, I'll order a rideshare, so I have time to acquire one. All my communication with a provider usually takes under five sentences and a few minutes.

That works 90% of the time. I usually run into trouble with providers who ask for numerous pictures and exorbitant deposits.

[+ nycman]

The client flaked.

Thats what went wrong. 

[+ PhileasFogg]

Personally, I try to do all my “what about me’s” and “what I’m into’s” in the introductory message.

At that point, they can assess if it’s a match for what they do and logistics questions can develop from there.

These labored and drawn out inquiries over multiple texts (perhaps over 30+ minutes) seem tedious and easy to sidetrack when responses overlap 

[+ JamesB]

I think the client got cold feet and canceled, something I would expect that often happens with first-time hirers. I prefer to keep things efficient with fewer messages. My initial message states my interest and asks about availability, location, and rates. If that looks good, I direct them to my complete profile and ask if they’re comfortable with it. A positive response closes the deal quickly.

Edited yesterday at 12:18 PM by JamesB

[+ SirBillybob]

Nothing went wrong, or will imminently, unless Samantha orders the last Benedict and Anthony doesn’t particularly care for Florentine. 

Edited yesterday at 02:03 PM by SirBillybob

[SecretProvider]

A very typical time wasting client. You had to ask him THREE times what he wanted to do, which is a BIG RED FLAG. 

All of his questions could very easily been put in one message - but he wanted to drag things out. He wanted an interaction, not to make a booking.

You want to be able to give first-time hires the benefit of the doubt and some grace, but also I have lost count of the amount of times I have received a text saying "i am new, this is the first time I have reached out to anyone...", only to see they have had a RM profile for 5 years with thousands of views and or many Mr Number reviews. For some reason many clients think they will get more grace/attention/away with more if they say they are new - or it is a kind of fetish. 

In any case, this client knew what he was doing. 

Edited yesterday at 09:46 PM by SecretProvider

[+ FrankR]

19 minutes ago, SecretProvider said:

A very typical time wasting client. You had to ask him THREE times what he wanted to do, which is a BIG RED FLAG. 

All of his questions could very easily been put in one message - but he wanted to drag things out. He wanted an interaction, not to make a booking.

You want to be able to give first-time hires the benefit of the doubt and some grace, but also I have lost count of the amount of times I have received a text saying "i am new this is the first time I have reached out to anyone...", only to see they have had a RM profile for 5 years with thousands of views and or many Mr Number reviews. For some reason many clients think they will get more grace/attention/away with more if they say they are new - or it is a kind of fetish. 

In any case, this client knew what he was doing. 

I see your point.  Two things to consider: 1) There is a balance between sharing too much and sharing too little - you have to find that balance and some people just dont know how. 2) Due to the illegality of certain acts in certain locations, it is hard ro be explicit in the same communication string that you are using to discuss the rate charged. 

[Nue2thegame]

1 hour ago, FrankR said:

I see your point.  Two things to consider: 1) There is a balance between sharing too much and sharing too little - you have to find that balance and some people just dont know how. 2) Due to the illegality of certain acts in certain locations, it is hard ro be explicit in the same communication string that you are using to discuss the rate charged. 

Yes, that balance is critical. I provide limited initial information (lest I inadvertently text to a Sunday school teacher or an idle ICE agent) and once I confirm their identity, I’m a little more forthcoming. I make my choices based on what they reveal in their ad and don’t feel the need for a detailed pre-event questionnaire. If I’m pleased with the encounter, I’m likely to return, if not, I chalk it up to experience and move on. Many providers are inundated with client queries and have little patience for ongoing dialogs. So far, this approach has worked well for me. 

[SecretProvider]

1 hour ago, Nue2thegame said:

Yes, that balance is critical. I provide limited initial information (lest I inadvertently text to a Sunday school teacher or an idle ICE agent) and once I confirm their identity, I’m a little more forthcoming. I make my choices based on what they reveal in their ad and don’t feel the need for a detailed pre-event questionnaire. If I’m pleased with the encounter, I’m likely to return, if not, I chalk it up to experience and move on. Many providers are inundated with client queries and have little patience for ongoing dialogs. So far, this approach has worked well for me. 

Because you are a real client and not a time waster tire kicker like the guy message screenshot posted above. 👏👏👏

[+ PhileasFogg]

17 hours ago, SecretProvider said:

In any case, this client knew what he was doing.

May I suggest you do a study of Hanlon’s Razor?  It’s eleven insightful words that I bet you could learn a lot from in your business especially bringing more new clients into the hobby   

in counterpoint to your assertions above:

- the client admits being new in the space, 

- I don’t see any indication of discourse that would have provided ‘jollies’ to the client.

Could the client learn more about writing with the reader in mind?   Sure, so could 80% of Americans… but the provider in this interaction could have done a few things better as well

[SecretProvider]

6 hours ago, PhileasFogg said:

in counterpoint to your assertions above:

- the client admits being new in the space, 

As I mentioned in my post - it is a regular occurrence that 'clients' message and say 'hey this is my first time reaching out' and then we discover evidence to the contrary. It was the first time-waster red-flag in his messages. Does it automatically mean he is lying? No. But more often than not it is fanciful and makes us proceed with caution. (re-read my post for examples of how we know this) 

6 hours ago, PhileasFogg said:

- I don’t see any indication of discourse that would have provided ‘jollies’ to the client.

You don't see any indication because you are a customer and not a worker. You have seen this message once, we see them daily all the time. We are professionals. A builder can spot defects on a wall much quicker than an untrained eye.

Trust me, there are many that simply looking at his pics while getting to text him and have him text back and just imagine what they could be doing together is sufficient - and best of all: FREE. As someone who  actually has experience and knowledge in these types interactions DAILY, there were things that raise red flags that you wouldn't see but we do. 

Yes you are right the provider COULD have sounded more excited "Oh I LOVE FLEXING MY PECS' 'YOU CREATED THE PROFILE TO MESSAGE ME? WHAT A COMPLIMENT' and the result would have been the same - except the "client" would have continued to ask him about underwear and flexing his pecs, maybe asking for more pics of it (im sure that was his next step) then jerked off to completion and the provider would have spent that energy unpaid.  

Every other person here on this thread who DOES hire has said they would reach out in a different way. Because they are not tire kickers. 

6 hours ago, PhileasFogg said:

bet you could learn a lot

And Hanlons Razor? I would have agreed with this when I was a newbie. But these people are not stupid, they are very very smart. They know exactly what they are doing.