SometimesBi Posted Wednesday at 03:50 PM Posted Wednesday at 03:50 PM I don't remember much about the PE showers in my youth (late 70s, early 80s), but for an experience with boys and men naked together, there was one year, one time, at scout camp. This year was a plain old summer camp (not at a formal camp with day programs, just free-form camping in the mountains). One of the days, the troop had been hiking around a couple small lakes. Somehow, the suggestion of skinny dipping came up. So, about 2/3rds of the troop (but not me, I was too shy), along with the scoutmaster and assistant, stripped naked and went swimming in the lake. Nothing unusual back then. Indeed, I bet the cold lake prevented anything embarrassing from ... popping up. pubic_assistance and + Vegas_Millennial 2
Whippoorwill Posted Wednesday at 07:29 PM Posted Wednesday at 07:29 PM I was born in 1943 so I started swimming at the neighborhood park pool around 1950. In those days, bathing suits were made out of (scratchy) wool with a cotton belt. Lint clogged up the pumps, so naked swimming was de rigueur. There were of course different boys days and girls days. The college-age swim instructor would have on a suit while he was out of the water, but stripped naked to demonstrate in the pool. This is where my brother and I learned about cut and uncut, and what mature cock looked like. By the time I went to Boy Scout camp, every day was naked swimming in a lake...scouts and scoutmasters alike. This is when I started mentally cataloguing the fascinating variety of cocks...pubescent, mature; cut, uncut; shower, grower; pink or dark; hairy or bald or peach fuzz; low hangers or undescended; big or small. There was one blond twinkie who had not yet started to grow pubic hair...every day he would sit out in the sun naked, hoping the sun would grow hair. He was the scoutmaster's son, who obviously did not object. I wish I would have known then what I know now, and I would have volunteered to massage it for him. My last year at cam, I had a tent mate who had just started to get erections, which he exhibited with great pride to the rest of us. Long, fat, curved to the left. I will never forget it. I wanted to hold it, but he said I could look but he was the only one who got to touch it. In high school, it was gang showers. The gym teacher's office was adjoining the showers, and there was a picture window (with venetian blinds) into the shower room so the teacher could keep an eye on the showers. Later it turned out two of the teachers (although not gym teachers) were arrested for sexually abusing students...one of them, my very favorite teacher. I have always been sorry he didn't get it on with me...would have saved me years of confusion. + Vegas_Millennial, pubic_assistance and + claym 1 1 1
+ Gar1eth Posted Wednesday at 08:37 PM Posted Wednesday at 08:37 PM 5 hours ago, pubic_assistance said: Yes. My gym teachers all showered in the same large shower room as the students throughout Junior High and High School ( 1980s ) Did you mean at the same time as you and your classmates?
pubic_assistance Posted Wednesday at 11:31 PM Posted Wednesday at 11:31 PM 2 hours ago, Gar1eth said: Did you mean at the same time as you and your classmates? Yes. Not ALL the gym teachers all at once, but if we were out playing football and the gym teacher was on the field working with us, he jumped in the shower to rinse off before his next class. Wrestling is a particularly sweaty sport for a gym teacher as he really does need to get down with us and participate. So that one also would rinse off after every class. There was just one big room with about 20 shower heads. The wrestling coach was a fairly young(ish) man. Italian with slightly reddish hair. Great thick body and meaty ass. Also a very nice man. Never thought much about it at the time. It was all fairly normal, but in hind-sight it does seem highly sexualized. Whippoorwill, thomas, Nue2thegame and 1 other 2 1 1
+ Gar1eth Posted Wednesday at 11:50 PM Posted Wednesday at 11:50 PM 5 minutes ago, pubic_assistance said: Also a very nice man. Never thought much about it at the time. It was all fairly normal, but in hind-sight it does seem highly sexualized. In my school system (assuming my memory is correct) during 7th grade 'competitive athletics' wasn't a separate period. 7th grade football was flag football, and I think the athletes were even encouraged to play on an outside the school system football league (YFL=Youth Football League) which was tackle football simultaneously while playing school system flag football. That meant that in my every other day gym class we were mixed. There were athletes as well as the totally inept like me and the thugs (the guys who smoked cigarettes on the corner across the street from the school prior to the start of the day and at lunch). Starting in 8th grade all the athletes took a 6th period PE Class (6th period being the last period of the day) during which they practiced their sport and which led into after school practice. So from 8th grade on, the ones left in regular PE were all the non athletic kids-but there were a few who were still athletic although not playing team sports for whatever reason. I don't remember ever seeing a coach shower with us in regular PE. I don't know if they ever did after practice with the athletes. pubic_assistance 1
pubic_assistance Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago 13 hours ago, Gar1eth said: I don't remember ever seeing a coach shower with us in regular PE. I don't know if they ever did after practice with the athletes. Being an architect. I have made one (related)observation about high school gyms. SOME high schools have a separate shower for the coach inside his office and most do NOT. In my observations about sports - SOME coaches stand on the sidelines and yell direction while others are out there actually showing you how its done. Those who are in the mud or sweating on the gym floor need to shower somewhere. In the 1950s to the 1980s it would seem that nobody really gave much thought to a gym teacher being a pedophile. + azdr0710, thomas and Whippoorwill 3
+ sniper Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago I think the view of same-sex activity was simply different in the past. They knew sometimes stuff happened but prior to AIDS and the explosion of STDs, the line between what was considered horseplay or "taking advantage" versus assault was in a different place because the known physical consequences were lesser. And they'd rather the boys get their rocks off together occasuonally than deal with a teen pregnancy. So many older gay guys told me that just about ALL the boys they grew up with messed around a little with each other(even if it was just jerking off together or in front of each other), just never talked about it. But the straight guys my age I know well enough to talk openly with insist nothing ever happened when they were growing up and I believe them. MikeBiDude 1
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