*victimized by censorship - this new normal blows

[viewing ownly]

Arizona has a majority of people in legislation that have decided to push their personal distaste in porn upon all citizens, blocking many sites like pornhub and chaturbate. I have extra reason to be pissed - I don't live in Arizona but am very close, so the ping from my computer must be in that state, so I must be deprived.

I know that Utah has passed laws eliminating people's private right to watch what they want on their own computer. I saw in Mississippi that Bluesky has been blocked. I fail to see why everyday citizens are just taking in the bullshit. 

Starting 2 months ago, Rent Men took away my ability to see complete nudity of their providers as a subscriber, and they aren't even based in the United States. 

At most, 33% of adults in the USA are anti-porn. One third by no means should rule the roost. They can go puck themselves. 🖕

[samhexum]

But how do you really feel?

[Nightowl]

The minority restricting the rights of the majority.  Seems to be the current trend.

[wsc]

The greatest threat to and the leading cause of death for children under 12 is gun violence, about which the powers that be have done between very little to nothing at all, since in their world you cannot restrict a citizen's right to keep and bear arms, even in a post-Sandy Hook world. But we simply can't allow children who (a) know better anyway, and (b) ignore warnings (usually in red and ALL CAPS) stating ADULTS ONLY! and MUST BE 18+ to be exposed to peckers and pussies because that might harm them. 

[+ BOZO T CLOWN]

5 hours ago, viewing ownly said:

Arizona has a majority of people in legislation that have decided to push their personal distaste in porn upon all citizens, blocking many sites like pornhub and chaturbate. I have extra reason to be pissed - I don't live in Arizona but am very close, so the ping from my computer must be in that state, so I must be deprived.

I know that Utah has passed laws eliminating people's private right to watch what they want on their own computer. I saw in Mississippi that Bluesky has been blocked. I fail to see why everyday citizens are just taking in the bullshit. 

Starting 2 months ago, Rent Men took away my ability to see complete nudity of their providers as a subscriber, and they aren't even based in the United States. 

At most, 33% of adults in the USA are anti-porn. One third by no means should rule the roost. They can go puck themselves. 🖕

This exact same topic has already been discussed ad nauseum. And it was just a couple of weeks ago! It became political and the Moderators shut it down.
Not really sure what a second thread and further discussion on the exact same topic will add to the public discourse.
Bozo is predicting that this thread, also political in nature, will likely meet the same fate.

A couple of thoughts. First, your so-called "right" to access unfettered internet pornography ends at society's obligation to protect children from viewing it. Minors are forbidden from entering theatres showing X-rated (God forbid XX or XXX) films and videos for good reason. Viewing porn on the internet is no different.

Second, if you REALLY believe in what you say, and that your cause is a just one, you have a few options:

1. Petition and lobby your state legislators to overturn these laws restricting internet porn access. If, as you claim, "..At most, 33% of adults in the USA are anti-porn. One third by no means should rule the roost.", this shouldn't be very complicated or controversial. Btw, if you choose this option, you will realize very quickly how wrong your numbers are.

2. If your state allows, work with your like-minded friends and neighbors to gather signatures to initiate a citizens referendum to overturn these laws at the ballot box (Good luck with that!). 

3. If you REALLY believe that these laws, which place reasonable restrictions on accessing internet porn, violate your constitutional rights, hire an attorney who specializes in First Amendment issues. Challenge the laws in court.

4. Whine and kvetch about it in public chat rooms like this in the hope that it will stir so much public outrage that the laws will be changed based on the overwhelming public sentiment against them. 

5. If all of the above fail, move.

BTC
🤡

[marylander1940]

6 hours ago, viewing ownly said:

Arizona has a majority of people in legislation that have decided to push their personal distaste in porn upon all citizens, blocking many sites like pornhub and chaturbate. I have extra reason to be pissed - I don't live in Arizona but am very close, so the ping from my computer must be in that state, so I must be deprived.

I know that Utah has passed laws eliminating people's private right to watch what they want on their own computer. I saw in Mississippi that Bluesky has been blocked. I fail to see why everyday citizens are just taking in the bullshit. 

Starting 2 months ago, Rent Men took away my ability to see complete nudity of their providers as a subscriber, and they aren't even based in the United States. 

At most, 33% of adults in the USA are anti-porn. One third by no means should rule the roost. They can go puck themselves. 🖕

It's just wrong to tell folks what they can't do at home in front of their own laptop....

More to come, unfortunately! 

Will this site that openly encourages folks to engage in unlawful activities be next?

34 minutes ago, BOZO T CLOWN said:

This exact same topic has already been discussed ad nauseum. And it was just a couple of weeks ago! It became political and the Moderators shut it down.
Not really sure what a second thread and further discussion on the exact same topic will add to the public discourse.
Bozo is predicting that this thread, also political in nature, will likely meet the same fate.

A couple of thoughts. First, your so-called "right" to access unfettered internet pornography ends at society's obligation to protect children from viewing it. Minors are forbidden from entering theatres showing X-rated (God forbid XX or XXX) films and videos for good reason. Viewing porn on the internet is no different.

Second, if you REALLY believe in what you say, and that your cause is a just one, you have a few options:

1. Petition and lobby your state legislators to overturn these laws restricting internet porn access. If, as you claim, "..At most, 33% of adults in the USA are anti-porn. One third by no means should rule the roost.", this shouldn't be very complicated or controversial. Btw, if you choose this option, you will realize very quickly how wrong your numbers are.

2. If your state allows, work with your like-minded friends and neighbors to gather signatures to initiate a citizens referendum to overturn these laws at the ballot box (Good luck with that!). 

3. If you REALLY believe that these laws, which place reasonable restrictions on accessing internet porn, violate your constitutional rights, hire an attorney who specializes in First Amendment issues. Challenge the laws in court.

4. Whine and kvetch about it in public chat rooms like this in the hope that it will stir so much public outrage that the laws will be changed based on the overwhelming public sentiment against them. 

5. If all of the above fail, move.

BTC
🤡

I hope you're never caught in sting operation by cops going after the victimless crime of hiring young men for sex. 

Remember that in some states cops do get involved., that's why I only hire in cities with common sense laws.

Edited October 25 by marylander1940

[marylander1940]

I guess to some pornography is "a big fucking deal!"

 

[pubic_assistance]

27 minutes ago, marylander1940 said:

I guess to some pornography is "a big fucking deal!"

 

There are a LOT of different opinions about pornography and for that matter - sexuality in this country. 

To start discussing this as a black and white points. is what takes it political. So although the subject of pornography is controversial its important to note that there is a LOT of gray area over what people PRETEND to believe and what they practice. Much of this comes from a need/desire to appear to be a person with high moral integrity, but in private, still wanking-it to kinky porn.

[Cooper]

Administrator’s Note,

Gentlemen, I bet you saw this message coming. The moderators are following this thread and have already received some reports. 

I just hid an off-topic reply. Please, do not make this topic about yourself. Remember: attack the issue not the person. 

[+ Jamie21]

As with most things there’s a balance to be struck. I’m in favour of pornography (I should be ..I make a living from it 😂) but I also agree it should be controlled so that only consenting adults can see it, and those participating in it should be doing so without coercion or exploitation. Therefore laws like the Online Safety Act such as we have in the UK means that if you want to watch porn you need to prove your age. This protects the vulnerable. Those wanting to watch are able to do so and those who need protecting are protected.

Similarly I approve of the sale of sex, again with the same requirements of consent and safety of those selling sex. Here it’s legal to sell sexual services so I don’t have to worry about law enforcement when I work. Indeed if I feel threatened or if a client refuses to pay I can safely call the police and be confident I won’t be treated as the criminal. What the law says I can’t do is sell sexual services in a way that could offend others (such as on the street - heaven forbid!). I agree with this approach. Those who want to buy sexual services can do so, but it’s discreet and it’s safe for all parties. Of course some people working in the industry are exploited but that’s not caused by the legislation which I think is proportionate and balanced. 

In a civil society the interests of the majority should never completely override the interests of minorities otherwise you get tyranny. It’s incumbent on leaders to make such accommodations and to explain them to the population, which then allows society to progress and develop. Fixed uncompromising positions very quickly because untenable, with unwelcome consequences, as has been regularly demonstrated in history. 
 

 

[+ José Soplanucas]

Dear Americans, after whining for so many years about Muslim bigotry, get ready to suffer the consequences of Christian theocracy. Women already lost the right to choose over their own bodies in many states, not only them are under siege but also anyone who would help them to get an abortion. Pornography, freedom of speech, and gay marriage are next. 

Edited October 25 by José Soplanucas

[BSR]

7 hours ago, wsc said:

The greatest threat to and the leading cause of death for children under 12 is gun violence, about which the powers that be have done between very little to nothing at all, since in their world you cannot restrict a citizen's right to keep and bear arms, even in a post-Sandy Hook world. But we simply can't allow children who (a) know better anyway, and (b) ignore warnings (usually in red and ALL CAPS) stating ADULTS ONLY! and MUST BE 18+ to be exposed to peckers and pussies because that might harm them. 

I just googled leading causes of death for children under 12:  deaths due to injury in accidents number in the thousands whereas gun deaths are usually less than 300 per year.  Also, gun ownership saves at least hundreds of thousands of lives (some say millions) due to the deterrence factor.  As hard as you tried to pretzel gun control into a topic about pornography and children, I don’t see how it’s related.

First of all, even if pornography were proven to have zero detrimental effects on minors, I would still argue for age restrictions.  I oppose the sexualization of children and support any steps we as a society can take to limit the sexualization of minors.   The “they’re gonna find porn one way of the other” argument is, in my opinion, an abdication of responsibility.

Plenty of studies do show that minor boys (not much about underage girls) who consume a lot of porn do suffer psychological and emotional harm:  depression, low self-esteem, sexual aggression, misogynistic views of women, anxiety, higher levels of substance abuse, poor communication development … I could keep going because it’s a long list.  Granted, none of these studies prove causality (it’s too difficult to isolate for all other factors, for example, single motherhood, absent father), but the correlations are high enough to be troublesome.

[BSR]

56 minutes ago, José Soplanucas said:

Dear Americans, after whining for so many years about Muslim bigotry, get ready to suffer the consequences of Christian theocracy. Women already lost the right to choose over their own bodies in many states, not only them are under siege but also anyone who would help them to get an abortion. Pornography, freedom of speech, and gay marriage are next. 

“My 10yo can’t access sluttyasianteens.com -> slippery slope -> fascist hellscape

Interesting fantasy … but it is just that, a fantasy.

Edited October 25 by BSR
Rewording

[wsc]

30 minutes ago, BSR said:

I just googled leading causes of death for children under 12:  deaths due to injury in accidents number in the thousands whereas gun deaths are usually less than 300 per year.  Also, gun ownership saves at least hundreds of thousands of lives (some say millions) due to the deterrence factor.  As hard as you tried to pretzel gun control into a topic about pornography and children, I don’t see how it’s related.

First of all, even if pornography were proven to have zero detrimental effects on minors, I would still argue for age restrictions.  I oppose the sexualization of children and support any steps we as a society can take to limit the sexualization of minors.   The “they’re gonna find porn one way of the other” argument is, in my opinion, an abdication of responsibility.

Plenty of studies do show that minor boys (not much about underage girls) who consume a lot of porn do suffer psychological and emotional harm:  depression, low self-esteem, sexual aggression, misogynistic views of women, anxiety, higher levels of substance abuse, poor communication development … I could keep going because it’s a long list.  Granted, none of these studies prove causality (it’s too difficult to isolate for all other factors, for example, single motherhood, absent father), but the correlations are high enough to be troublesome.

You are correct in the ranking of causes of death for children. I was relying on memory of an article I'd read some time ago, and my memory was inaccurate in several ways. My apologies for the sloppiness and my thanks for your corrections. I hope, however, that the greater philosophical point will not be obscured by my inaccurate data.

I was not attempting to argue for firmer gun control but was only trying to highlight the disparity and disproportionality of responses regarding access to guns versus access to pornography. Whatever ill effects might afflict a child exposed to sexual images, such effects cannot be on the same level as losing the child's life in a violent attack by someone who has lost the balance of his mind as well as his morality. Emotional scars can be addressed and treated; lethal wounds cannot. We should put our best efforts where they will do the most good to stop the greater wrong.

The age restrictions you would argue for are already in place nationwide; the point at issue is their enforcement. Access to foreign-based sites may be problematic and will likely always be. But I think even they observe the US required warnings of Adults Only and 18+. If a child ignores those warnings - which he must in order to see the contents - that child - and the parents - must assume some and considerable responsibility for their actions and consequences.

And further, as I see it and always have and will, the rights of adults cannot be made contingent on the sensibilities of children. The response of numerous porn providers to simply end access for jurisdictions that have enacted mandated restrictions has now actually affected the rights of grown adults in order to protect exposure to potential and unsuitable misbehaving minors.

And for those minors determined to satisfy their curiosity, VPNs will be their key to access what's available. If I can use a VPN, I'm sure a child can. So, the mandated restrictions are now not only an inconvenient encumbrance, they're also laughably ineffective.

I don't imagine it's easy to raise a child and I've never had to. And I accept that all of us have a societal obligation to future generations. But none of that will take the place of watchful and responsible parenting. 

[+ José Soplanucas]

1 hour ago, BSR said:

“My 10yo can’t access sluttyasianteens.com -> slippery slope -> fascist hellscape

Interesting fantasy … but it is just that, a fantasy.

Respectfuly, I think you are the one living in a fantasy. That women have lost fundamental rights is a fact. That adults cannot freely access porn in many US locations is a fact. That books are being banned in K-12 libraries is a fact. That the government is attacking educational institutions and operating in their curriculums is a fact. That history is being rewritten and museums intervened is a fact. That freedom of press and expression are under attack are also facts, although those rights are still surviving. That all these attacks, some successful some not yet, are inspired by Christian values and organizations is a fact. Praying is coming back to American schools. That you do not see the advance of Christian Theocracy is also a fact, but I do not think mines are fantasies.

[BSR]

1 hour ago, José Soplanucas said:

Respectfuly, I think you are the one living in a fantasy. That women have lost fundamental rights is a fact. That adults cannot freely access porn in many US locations is a fact. That books are being banned in K-12 libraries is a fact. That the government is attacking educational institutions and operating in their curriculums is a fact. That history is being rewritten and museums intervened is a fact. That freedom of press and expression are under attack are also facts, although those rights are still surviving. That all these attacks, some successful some not yet, are inspired by Christian values and organizations is a fact. Praying is coming back to American schools. That you do not see the advance of Christian Theocracy is also a fact, but I do not think mines are fantasies.

Yes, books that include graphic sex are being banned from elementary and middle school libraries, and thank God for it!  What rights have women lost?  If you’re referring to abortion, it was never a “right” to begin with.  The government is trying to remove woke-ism that has consumed educational institutions, again, thank God for it.  What freedom has the press lost??  None.  Has Obergefell been reversed?  Nope.

Respectfully, I think you fantasize about being oppressed because the reality is that it isn’t happening.  In a country of 340 million people whose citizens think very differently from each other, you’re not always going to get your way.  That doesn’t mean you’re oppressed.

[+ BOZO T CLOWN]

10 minutes ago, BSR said:

 That doesn’t mean you’re oppressed.

It does if you're always playing the victim card.

Circling back to the thread topic... If having a very minimal guardrail such age age verification, will protect our children - the most helpless and vulnerable in our population - from being exposed to internet porn, then we need much, much more of it. 

BTC
🤡

[caramelsub]

I have been a porn viewer pretty much since I hit puberty at around 13. Back then it was just getting off to images, as I didn’t have access to porn videos on the internet at that time. I would get off to straight porn images, gay porn images, and literotica. As long as it involved a man with a cock, I could masturbate to it. It wasn’t until I was 16 that I started watching video porn to get off. I have no idea if my life would be any different now if I didn’t watch porn as a teenager. All I know is that if I was a teenager, and porn was blocked on the internet, I would have found a way to access it somehow sneakily. But there are worst things in life in my opinion than viewing porn. Growing up other teens did drugs, abused alcohol, and smoked cigarettes underage etc. Teenagers are not just innocent angels that we need to shield from evil.

Edited October 25 by caramelsub

[+ José Soplanucas]

53 minutes ago, BSR said:

Yes, books that include graphic sex are being banned from elementary and middle school libraries, and thank God for it!  What rights have women lost?  If you’re referring to abortion, it was never a “right” to begin with.  The government is trying to remove woke-ism that has consumed educational institutions, again, thank God for it.  What freedom has the press lost??  None.  Has Obergefell been reversed?  Nope.

Respectfully, I think you fantasize about being oppressed because the reality is that it isn’t happening.  In a country of 340 million people whose citizens think very differently from each other, you’re not always going to get your way.  That doesn’t mean you’re oppressed.

The ones playing the victim card are the ones complaining about wokism. Women who cannot command on their own bodies, or who cannot even travel to another state where their rights are respected are not playing the victim card. They are victims and they are oppressed. The hypocrisy of stating that different values should live together in a diverse country when you are actually imposing your values on others is obvious. No one forces a woman to practice an abortion if she is a Christian, but Christians in government are forcing their values into everyone. 

But it is OK, of course you do not see the threat of Christian theocracy when you agree with it.