Usual rates for hiring in NYC?

[Muscleking]

8 minutes ago, SouthOfTheBorder said:

if we’re talking about hourly rates in NYC, this is the fallacy - the elite don’t pay top rate for anything.  those prices are for American tourists visiting NY. Europeans certainly won’t pay those rates either.  
price has no guarantee of quality in provider context & certainly doesn’t signal an “elite” experience. and yes, providers can charge whatever they want and clients can overpay too.  it’s just not necessary.  it’s all smoke & mirrors 

It’s ok mate if u can’t afford more than $300 and you can go for the guys at that rate. Those higher priced guys are for the men that can afford them.  Simple as that. 

[SouthOfTheBorder]

45 minutes ago, Muscleking said:

t’s ok mate if u can’t afford more than $300 and you can go for the guys at that rate. Those higher priced guys are for the men that can afford them.  Simple as that. 

you’ve got it backwards - in NY, people with real money think others have the privilege of working with them.  It’s discounted tickets to shows, games, private gallery openings, discounts in stores & reservations nobody can get -  if you’re connected.  they all know how to cultivate their best clients & keep them coming back. the rich don’t get rich by paying market rates.

 

 

Edited June 12, 2024 by SouthOfTheBorder

[crazyivan]

11 hours ago, Vegas_Millennial said:

I've done some market research for my trip to NYC later this week.  I reached out to 14 men on my RentMen "Buddy List" that live in New York City, all of them recommendations from experiences shared on Company of Men.

Here is how they responded:

$250/hr - 1 response

$300/hr  - 5 responses

$350/hr - 3 responses

$400/hr - 3 responses

$500/hr - 1 response

Because I will only be in NYC for 2 weeks and still want to have fun outside my hotel room at shows, museums, bars, sex clubs, etc., I'm only going to hire 2-4 men.  Because all of the men on my "Buddy List" are sexy and recommended, the tie breaker for me will be the price, so I will be hiring the $250/$300 per hour escorts.

Plus I will see a massuer I saw on my last visit who fucked me and charges $260 for 90 minutes and gives a great massage.

I think this is very close to what I have been seeing recently - There are still a lot of providers asking 300, but 350 and 400 are getting more and more frequently seen. Previously the guys in the 400 pool usually have something that makes them standout among others, but not quite so nowadays.

[Muscleking]

5 hours ago, crazyivan said:

I think this is very close to what I have been seeing recently - There are still a lot of providers asking 300, but 350 and 400 are getting more and more frequently seen. Previously the guys in the 400 pool usually have something that makes them standout among others, but not quite so nowadays.

Exactly.. 

[Muscleking]

5 hours ago, SouthOfTheBorder said:

you’ve got it backwards - in NY, people with real money think others have the privilege of working with them.  It’s discounted tickets to shows, games, private gallery openings, discounts in stores & reservations nobody can get -  if you’re connected.  they all know how to cultivate their best clients & keep them coming back. the rich don’t get rich by paying market rates.

 

 

If you think premium level escorts are laying down with wealthy clients at a 300$ rate you’re crazy..  you can not compare escorts rates to discounted tickets that’s utterly ridiculous. I know some escorts who have clients that pay them 15k+ a month, Just to see them a few times a week regularly. Plus expensive gifts dining etc these guys don’t even post ads on sites because they are connected as you would say but they certainly arent spending time with these clients for the average rate.

My whole point in responding to you is simply to say YOU are not the controller of escort rates, many guys have different prices because they offer something that many other guys dont. That very well may be exclusivity, some of us guys with money would prefer to hire the guy that cost more and isn’t with many other people. 
 

[pubic_assistance]

On 4/25/2024 at 2:38 AM, ShortCutie7 said:

I think a lot of you are greatly overestimating the income of the average New Yorker.  According to the census (https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/newyorkcitynewyork/HSG010222), median per capita income in 2022 in NYC was 48K.  An escort charging $300 per hour would only have to work just over 3 hours per week to make that. 

What you're missing in the analysis is that there are several areas of NYC that are very poor and others that are pretty low-income working class neighborhoods. A handsome and talented provider is not hanging around NYC so he can live in a ghetto next to a meth lab. So this statistic is meaningless. To live decently in NYC you need to take home a MINIMUM of $1500 a week...or $300 a day Monday thru. Friday. So if you're fucking one client per day then $300 is your baseline.

You can't compare this "hourly rate" to another job becasure you're not working 8 hours a day, taking dick.

 

Edited June 12, 2024 by pubic_assistance
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[SouthOfTheBorder]

4 hours ago, Muscleking said:

know some escorts who have clients that pay them 15k+ a month, Just to see them a few times a week regularly

$15k a month to a single provider by one client is just absurd as a point of reference for any realistic conversation about rates.  more likely providers wildly exaggerating their own value & status, which seems to be the norm among a certain type.  lots of people in this business engage is fantasy, delusion & grandiosity- it comes w the territory. 

providers can set their own rates however they wish & nobody “controls” their rates

just my opinion - but a quote of $500/hr is more a red-flag than anything else

it’s worth noting the the OP is a provider & was asking about current market rates - evidently he’s unaware of the $15k monthly gigs 

btw - anything that is truly “exclusive” cannot be purchased by just anyone for a set price.  it’s the opposite

Edited June 12, 2024 by SouthOfTheBorder

[MeatHead]

10 hours ago, Muscleking said:

It’s ok mate if u can’t afford more than $300 and you can go for the guys at that rate. Those higher priced guys are for the men that can afford them.  Simple as that. 

This.

[ShortCutie7]

2 hours ago, pubic_assistance said:

What you're missing in the analysis is that there are several areas of NYC that are very poor and others that are pretty low-income working class neighborhoods. A handsome and talented provider is not hanging around NYC so he can live in a ghetto next to a meth lab. So this statistic is meaningless. To live decently in NYC you need to take home a MINIMUM of $1500 a week...or $300 a day Monday thru. Friday. So if you're fucking one client per day then $300 is your baseline.

You can't compare this "hourly rate" to another job becasure you're not working 8 hours a day, taking dick.

 

I totally get that.  My point is that people are still greatly overestimating the income of even a relatively well-off New Yorker.  According to the smartasset calculator, a $1500 weekly take-home in NYC would require an annual salary of $114,000.  This is above the salary of most people I know who live comfortably in NYC and have good jobs with postgraduate degrees etc.  While you can’t compare an hourly rate of a regular job to escorting, you can still do the math to see how many hours of work it takes to buy one hour of an escort’s time… in my case, it is way more than a full day.  And I am a white male with a master’s and a decent job…

[Muscleking]

1 hour ago, SouthOfTheBorder said:

$15k a month to a single provider by one client is just absurd as a point of reference for any realistic conversation about rates.  more likely providers wildly exaggerating their own value & status, which seems to be the norm among a certain type.  lots of people in this business engage is fantasy, delusion & grandiosity- it comes w the territory. 

providers can set their own rates however they wish & nobody “controls” their rates

just my opinion - but a quote of $500/hr is more a red-flag than anything else

it’s worth noting the the OP is a provider & was asking about current market rates - evidently he’s unaware of the $15k monthly gigs 

btw - anything that is truly “exclusive” cannot be purchased by just anyone for a set price.  it’s the opposite

I’m simply saying market rates are a baseline OP can charge whatever he feels his service is worth. 
 

I stated the 15k a month to illustrate there are some providers who can charge a higher rate if they are catering to a wealthy client as there are some people who can afford that with no problem but of course the provider needs to be excepcional. Just like there are supermodels amongst models there are also higher end escorts.

[SouthOfTheBorder]

2 hours ago, ShortCutie7 said:

My point is that people are still greatly overestimating the income of even a relatively well-off New Yorker.

correct.  people routinely lie about wealth & income. statistics & probabilities tell the real story outside of wildly exaggerated anecdotes here 

that’s why I prefer to hire native New Yorkers if that’s an option - they typically don't come w the pretentious bullshit. some profiles make that clear & it’s helpful 

 

Edited June 12, 2024 by SouthOfTheBorder

[+ DrownedBoy]

6 hours ago, ShortCutie7 said:

 you can’t compare an hourly rate of a regular job to escorting,

The UN and US say escorting is unskilled labor .

The highest hourly legal minimum wage, I think, is $20 in California somewhere. 

Interesting comparison. 

[ShortCutie7]

26 minutes ago, DrownedBoy said:

The UN and US say escorting is unskilled labor .

The highest hourly legal minimum wage, I think, is $20 in California somewhere. 

Interesting comparison. 

Interesting, I would say that the main reason that there can’t be a comparison is that it requires an entirely different kind of skill.

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

50 minutes ago, ShortCutie7 said:

1 hour ago, DrownedBoy said:

The UN and US say escorting is unskilled labor .

The highest hourly legal minimum wage, I think, is $20 in California somewhere. 

Interesting comparison. 

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Interesting, I would say that the main reason that there can’t be a comparison is that it requires an entirely different kind of skill.

Consider this: Both gay escorts and fast food workers get paid to stuff meat into a bun.  😜

[+ DrownedBoy]

1 hour ago, ShortCutie7 said:

Interesting, I would say that the main reason that there can’t be a comparison is that it requires an entirely different kind of skill.

To be fair, they classify "prostitution' as unskilled labor. They don't mention "escorts."

[pubic_assistance]

21 hours ago, ShortCutie7 said:

This is above the salary of most people I know who live comfortably in NYC and have good jobs

I suppose that's a matter of what YOU call "comfortable". A salary of $114K doesn't get you much in NYC.

If you're happy living in Queens, eating fast food and making a trip to Disneyland once a year...I suppose you'd be happy.

I'm sure a lot of young handsome men who are escorting have aspirations to a few more luxuries in life.

[+ KensingtonHomo]

14 hours ago, DrownedBoy said:

The UN and US say escorting is unskilled labor .

The highest hourly legal minimum wage, I think, is $20 in California somewhere. 

Interesting comparison. 

Only if you hire the wrong guy!

[Muscleking]

33 minutes ago, pubic_assistance said:

I suppose that's a matter of what YOU call "comfortable". A salary of $114K doesn't get you much in NYC.

If you're happy living in Queens, eating fast food and making a trip to Disneyland once a year...I suppose you'd be happy.

I'm sure a lot of young handsome men who are escorting have aspirations to a few more luxuries in life.

You can’t even qualify for a 1 bed apt in manhattan for less than about 150k, most of these escorts live in midtown where the rent is at least 4K + a month. 

[SouthOfTheBorder]

39 minutes ago, pubic_assistance said:

A salary of $114K doesn't get you much in NYC.

this is true.  and nyc is the most expensive city in the world in 2023.  
my experience is people that live here are generally savvy consumers who suss out the value vs wildly overpriced goods & services

the point is that some of the provider rates being tossed around here aren’t realistic & are not typical.  a very few may pay those high rates and they’re probably tourists. 

someone was using the term “premium” providers - there’s no such thing.
just some w overly inflated egos living in a fantasy world. nobody is getting $500hr on a routine basis.  not happening 

just got a quote from a known & well reviewed provider today - $300 & no Uber.  

Edited June 13, 2024 by SouthOfTheBorder

[+ sync]

28 minutes ago, pubic_assistance said:

I suppose that's a matter of what YOU call "comfortable". A salary of $114K doesn't get you much in NYC.

If you're happy living in Queens, eating fast food and making a trip to Disneyland once a year...I suppose you'd be happy.

I'm sure a lot of young handsome men who are escorting have aspirations to a few more luxuries in life.

I agree.  The concept of "comfortable" is very individual, however, I'm certain there are many in NYC who would be able to be quite comfortable with a salary of $114K sans living in Queens, eating fast food, or a yearly visit to Disneyland.

When I was employed in NYC, I lived in Woodside, Queens, which was just close enough to the Manhattan madness for me.  😄

[Muscleking]

1 minute ago, SouthOfTheBorder said:

this is true.  and nyc is the most expensive city in the world in 2023.  
my experience is people that live here are generally savvy consumers who suss out the value vs wildly overpriced goods & services

the point is that some of the provider rates being tossed around here aren’t realistic & are not typical.  a very few may pay those high rates and they’re probably tourists. 

someone was using the term “premium” providers - there’s no such thing.
just some w overly inflated egos living in a fantasy world. nobody is getting $500hr on a routine basis.  not happening 

lol just because you aren’t paying that doesn’t mean others aren’t, you’re obviously not the demographic of client that the higher priced escorts attract or go for.

there are most definitely premium level escorts, you can say they have inflated egos all you want.. but these escorts cater to clients that are celebrities, wealthy businessmen, politicians etc.. I myself who work in finance I know first hand. And I know many $500+ escorts who are consistently booked to the point they don’t even take new clients.

 

but to each it’s own. 

[ShortCutie7]

9 minutes ago, SouthOfTheBorder said:

my experience is people that live here are generally savvy consumers who suss out the value vs wildly overpriced goods & services

And THIS is how people live comfortably for less than 114k in NYC.

[SouthOfTheBorder]

29 minutes ago, Muscleking said:

you’re obviously not the demographic of client that the higher priced escorts attract or go for.

right - because I’ve lived here for years, I’m not stupid & understand there is no need to overpay for same services that can be had for less

advice to people visiting nyc - pick your top 5 and compare rates & availability. $300-$350 is the going one hour rate.  It should be less per hour if booking multiples. Look for providers that have lived in ny for years, not the visiting providers or new arrivals. If quoted more than $350, buyer beware. If they ask for Uber after the negotiations are finalized, cancel & move on to the next. There are many options & you don’t need to overpay. Dont pay a deposit & tip only for superior service.  if you can avoid letting the provider know you’re a tourist, that’s advisable

*if you’re a celebrity, politician or member of the 1% - disregard 

Edited June 13, 2024 by SouthOfTheBorder

[+ KensingtonHomo]

A distinction is missing from this conversation: what one is willing to pay for the quality of an interaction. First, there are definitely escorts who command $500 or more an hour. Most of them don't advertise very often and work based on referrals. The reasons they can command that price are probably a combination of looks, personality, niche services, and—most of all—real discretion. 

Second, there is a pool of younger guys who look great, have OnlyFans/do porn, and want to charge $500 or more an hour but are not worth the price, in my opinion, because they're rarely actually good at sex,  connection, etc. I don't fuck with these guys but many do, and that's fine. 

Then there are the guys we tend to hire who are older (35-55 range), have made this their career (or long-time side hustle), genuinely enjoy sex in many forms, get off on providing pleasure rather than receiving it, like meeting new people, forming ongoing (business) relationships with their clients, and tend to be in the $300-$400 an hour range. 

It's a market with varying price points, and people should pay what they're comfortable with. 

[Muscleking]

20 minutes ago, KensingtonHomo said:

A distinction is missing from this conversation: what one is willing to pay for the quality of an interaction. First, there are definitely escorts who command $500 or more an hour. Most of them don't advertise very often and work based on referrals. The reasons they can command that price are probably a combination of looks, personality, niche services, and—most of all—real discretion. 

Second, there is a pool of younger guys who look great, have OnlyFans/do porn, and want to charge $500 or more an hour but are not worth the price, in my opinion, because they're rarely actually good at sex,  connection, etc. I don't fuck with these guys but many do, and that's fine. 

Then there are the guys we tend to hire who are older (35-55 range), have made this their career (or long-time side hustle), genuinely enjoy sex in many forms, get off on providing pleasure rather than receiving it, like meeting new people, forming ongoing (business) relationships with their clients, and tend to be in the $300-$400 an hour range. 

It's a market with varying price points, and people should pay what they're comfortable with. 

Exactly.. 1000% agree