LaffingBear Posted January 10 Posted January 10 (edited) On 1/9/2025 at 5:48 AM, Pensant said: I lived in OC for 30 years and moved away in 2014. I remember the Laguna Beach Fire of 1994. I lived in the neighboring town. I fear this will be the most devastating fire in LA’s history. Absolutely devastating. It now is the worst in LA history. And in the top 5 most devastating California fires. Edited January 10 by LaffingBear + Charlie 1
MikeBiDude Posted January 10 Posted January 10 2 hours ago, Lotus-eater said: I'm waiting for another rich, Luigi-type from Pacific Palisades to shoot a "greedy" executive for cancelling a home insurance policy California Insurance Commissioner trying to help with the cancellations, I’m skeptical but hopeful. California insurance commissioner issues 1-year moratorium to protect Southern California homeowners WWW.CBSNEWS.COM The California insurance commissioner issued a mandatory one-year moratorium on non-renewals and cancellations to protect Southern California residents...
LaffingBear Posted January 10 Posted January 10 9 hours ago, Pensant said: Police have arrested a suspected arsonist in the Kenneth Fire, near Calabassas. Tragic. the authorities now say they won't bring arson charges, no probable evidence + Pensant 1
Postiche Posted January 11 Posted January 11 21 hours ago, mike carey said: I won't add a moderator's note here, just a post to note that we could pontificate for ever about the long term causes of increased fires in and out of the usual season, and long term state-wide management of water supplies, but the here and now is that there is disaster unfolding in LA, and that, and the recovery from it should be our focus for now. Thank you for your post. I think time is better spent focusing on the recovery effort instead of assigning blame for the fires. On that note, I just want to say that I have a home in the vicinity of the Eaton fire. I was very touched that three former providers actually contacted me to confirm my wellbeing. I was happy to inform them the fire had not reached my neighborhood. MaybeMaybeNot, + Charlie, pubic_assistance and 10 others 5 1 3 1 3
Shoedog112 Posted January 11 Posted January 11 1 hour ago, Postiche said: Thank you for your post. I think time is better spent focusing on the recovery effort instead of assigning blame for the fires. On that note, I just want to say that I have a home in the vicinity of the Eaton fire. I was very touched that three former providers actually contacted me to confirm my wellbeing. I was happy to inform them the fire had not reached my neighborhood. I agree with you 100% There are a lot of non-California residents who are haters and think they’re the experts I live a couple of miles from the Sunset Fire and was fortunate not to have to evacuate and to your point, there is a lot of humanitarian support here in LA/SCAL I think the non-resident experts should leave politics out of this devastating time for many people Lotus-eater 1
Lotus-eater Posted January 11 Posted January 11 1 hour ago, Shoedog112 said: As a SoCal resident, I've earned the right to be a hater. Talk of recovery seems premature since that implies that the fires are out, which they aren't, but apparently we aren't supposed to connect the dots to understand why moving to recovery is taking so long. + augustus, + Charlie, MaybeMaybeNot and 1 other 3 1
+ azdr0710 Posted January 11 Posted January 11 (edited) Edited January 11 by azdr0710 + Charlie, Lotus-eater and pubic_assistance 1 1 1
pubic_assistance Posted January 11 Posted January 11 The thing that I find most fascinating in these photos is the amount of homes that were absolutely VAPORIZED. Nothing left but the brick fireplace and a chimney stack. It's also interesting to note the melted steel beams in the commercial locations. Steel has a very high melt temperature, so these fires seem to be especially volatile. Some fires burn hotter than others due to variations in the type of fuel being burned, the amount of oxygen available, the specific chemical reactions occurring within the flame, and environmental factors like humidity and wind, which all affect the rate of combustion and the amount of heat released. Key factors influencing fire heat: Fuel type: Different materials have different chemical compositions, leading to varying heat release when burned. For example, certain types of wood or highly flammable liquids like gasoline produce more heat per unit mass than others. Oxygen availability: A plentiful supply of oxygen allows for faster and more complete combustion, resulting in a hotter fire. Fuel moisture content: Dry fuel burns much hotter than damp fuel because less energy is needed to evaporate water. Airflow: Wind or air currents increase the rate of oxygen delivery to the flame, leading to a hotter fire. Chemical reactions: Specific chemical reactions within the flame can influence the amount of heat produced. How to identify a hotter fire: Flame color: A blue flame is generally hotter than a yellow or orange flame, indicating more complete combustion. Intensity: A bright, vigorous flame with rapid movement suggests a hotter fire. + claym, + Charlie, MikeBiDude and 2 others 2 3
+ azdr0710 Posted January 12 Posted January 12 here's a youtube of a before-and-after walking tour in the Palisades area..... + Italiano 1
Luv2play Posted January 12 Author Posted January 12 4 hours ago, azdr0710 said: here's a youtube of a before-and-after walking tour in the Palisades area..... Stunning.
BSR Posted January 12 Posted January 12 Most tragic of all are the deaths caused by the wildfires, at least 10 so far. This story was particularly heartbreaking ... thomas and + claym 2
mike carey Posted January 12 Posted January 12 23 minutes ago, BSR said: Most tragic of all are the deaths caused by the wildfires, at least 10 so far. This story was particularly heartbreaking ... Yes, it is. As you would expect he's featured heavily in Australian TV coverage, and not just on 10.
ICTJOCK Posted January 12 Posted January 12 Definitely a tragedy for all involved. With climate change, dangers like that presented are enhanced for sure. I think anyone living in the area needs to reassess the dangers. There are dangers living anywhere, earthquakes, tornadoes and more. This seems to be something that is changing and clearly an "eyes open" approach to what might happen is in order, plus the insurance challenge. So sad for all involved. Peter Eater 1
pubic_assistance Posted January 12 Posted January 12 33 minutes ago, ICTJOCK said: I think anyone living in the area needs to reassess the dangers. Would be great if environmentalists blocked rebuilding efforts, once the entire county burns down. + claym, + KensingtonHomo, MikeBiDude and 2 others 3 2
+ augustus Posted January 12 Posted January 12 Now price gouging going on in rental prices, despite an emergency declaration against it. Landlords are demanding double and more for displaced renters according to Newsweek. Luv2play 1
NipLuvr212 Posted January 12 Posted January 12 2 hours ago, augustus said: Now price gouging going on in rental prices, despite an emergency declaration against it. Landlords are demanding double and more for displaced renters according to Newsweek. ahhhh.... the "invisible hand" Peter Eater 1
Lotus-eater Posted January 12 Posted January 12 "Nobody likes “price gouging,” but choices are always between alternatives. How else but higher prices are we going to decide who gets the short supply? The alternative to rationing by price is rationing by waiting in line, or by political preference. Or by who you know. Paying higher prices is a reduction in your real income, and nobody likes that. But with less to go around, our collective real income is lower, no matter what the government does about it. The government can only transfer resources, not create them. And all the fixes to price gouging make the shortage worse, by discouraging people to cut back on demand or bring in new supplies. Yet the cultural and moral disapproval of price gouging is strong. Going back thousands of years, people (and theologians) have felt that charging more than whatever they had gotten accustomed to is immoral, especially if the merchant happened to have an inventory purchased in an earlier time. This “just price” moral feeling surely motivates a lot of the anti price-gouging campaign. Economics has only understood how virtuous price gouging is in the last 250 years" (The Grumpy Economist) + Vegas_Millennial and + muscleboyinsd 2
pubic_assistance Posted January 13 Posted January 13 2 hours ago, augustus said: Now price gouging going on in rental prices, despite an emergency declaration against it. Landlords are demanding double and more for displaced renters according to Newsweek. Does California also control the cost of dinner at Lawry's. Last I checked, private property is still private. None of anybody business what you charge. It's always a sellers market in a crisis. Any bad Karma will bite you in the ass separately from unconstitutional emergency declarations. + Vegas_Millennial 1
jeezifonly Posted January 13 Posted January 13 (edited) 45yrs living in LA, and there’s never been anything like this. I have friends who have lost everything, in both major fires. Tragedy continuing to unfold as winds pick up in the next few days. Red Cross and World Central Kitchen are doing tremendous work to house and feed evacuees and firefighters. Consider donating. Mother Nature always has the last word - we forget that bit in our relentless pursuit of the most stunning locations to build homes. Some beautiful places are simply not meant to be inhabited by humans. Edited January 13 by jeezifonly + Vegas_Millennial 1
MikeBiDude Posted January 13 Posted January 13 26 minutes ago, pubic_assistance said: Does California also control the cost of dinner at Lawry's. Last I checked, private property is still private. None of anybody business what you charge. It's always a sellers market in a crisis. Any bad Karma will bite you in the ass separately from unconstitutional emergency declarations. California actually has some pretty specific legislation/law trying to stop gouging. In the link below click on “What are the Price Gouging Protections Under California Law?” and you’ll see specific price increases deemed illegal. State/County DA’s have been all over the news conferences on this topic. Price Gouging | California Governor's Office of Emergency Services WWW.CALOES.CA.GOV Peter Eater, pubic_assistance and mike carey 2 1
Luv2play Posted January 13 Author Posted January 13 I read about a woman who lost her trailer home in Pacific Palisades Park that was insured for $400, 000, including possessions. She said she intends to rebuild, despite having lost her home in the same park 2 decades ago in a similar fire. What she might not have thought about is that the next fire could be in 5 or 10 years given the acceleration of climate change.
Luv2play Posted January 13 Author Posted January 13 2 minutes ago, MikeBiDude said: California actually has some pretty specific legislation/law trying to stop gouging. In the link below click on “What are the Price Gouging Protections Under California Law?” and you’ll see specific price increases deemed illegal. Price Gouging | California Governor's Office of Emergency Services WWW.CALOES.CA.GOV The fine is only $10,000 ( apart from a penal penalty) and I read of a case in the NYT today where someone jacked the monthly rent on a house in LA from $30,000 to over $50,000 a month as a result of the soaring demand from people being forced to relocate quickly. Apparently there are many in LA with the resources to pay. + augustus and pubic_assistance 1 1
MikeBiDude Posted January 13 Posted January 13 2 minutes ago, Luv2play said: The fine is only $10,000 ( apart from a penal penalty) and I read of a case in the NYT today where someone jacked the monthly rent on a house in LA from $30,000 to over $50,000 a month as a result of the soaring demand from people being forced to relocate quickly. Apparently there are many in LA with the resources to pay. Jail time is a possibility, as well as other B&P code violations. What is the penalty for violating the protections? A violation of Section 396 protections is a misdemeanor punishable by imprisonment in a county jail for a period not exceeding one year, by a fine of not more than ten thousand dollars ($10,000), or by both that fine and imprisonment. Pen. Code § 396 (h). A violation of these protections also constitutes an unlawful business practice and an act of unfair competition within the meaning of Section 17200 of the Business and Professions Code. The remedies and penalties provided by this section are cumulative to each other, the remedies under Section 17200 of the Business and Professions Code, and the remedies or penalties available under all other laws of this state. Pen. Code § 396 (i). Peter Eater 1
Rod Hagen Posted January 13 Posted January 13 20 hours ago, azdr0710 said: here's a youtube of a before-and-after walking tour in the Palisades area..... Been to that Starbucks so many times.
+ augustus Posted January 13 Posted January 13 (edited) 1 hour ago, pubic_assistance said: Last I checked, private property is still private. None of anybody business what you charge. It's always a sellers market in a crisis. Any bad Karma will bite you in the ass separately from unconstitutional emergency declarations. But doubling the price? It's unconscionable in an emergency. Edited January 13 by augustus CuriousByNature and Luv2play 2
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