Deposits should be required

[Vin Marco]

15 minutes ago, TallMuscl37 said:

If someone thinks we should cover the burden of expenses, they can send me their cash app or other app so I can request money when I need to pay $100 for a hotel plus put down $100 extra for “incidentals” for a client who hasn’t paid a deposit. That’ll have some putting money where their mouth is lol.

This is the type of insanity I'm talking about!!!!!   This fukn guy actually believes you, the client,  should be paying for his cost of doing business. He feels the same way about advice, he has stated in the past that unless you're  paying his bills, why should he listen to you ( true story )

That is the cost of doing business ( overhead ) and if it's not a DROP IN THE BUCKET compared to your profit , you're in the wrong business pal!  If you're whining, complaining, moaning about 100.00 + for the cost of advertising, once again, you're in the wrong business!!! 

At least @Daniel84 was/ is open to friendly advice , doesn't live in an echo chamber  and is thankful/grateful for it AND in a moment of frustration, I can see why he initiated this thread. 

Edited December 23, 2024 by Vin Marco

[Trick]

5 minutes ago, Vin Marco said:

If you're whining, complaining, moaning about 100.00 + for the cost of advertising, once again, you're in the wrong business!!! 

At least @Daniel84

You forgot to mention cities, hotels, gas stations, gay men, credit card companies, RentMen policies, airlines, deposit haters etc among the things whined, complained and moaned about.

[Venite]

My last reply here is just to highlight something fundamental here: there is simply uncertainty on both sides.
 

Yes, you as a (presumably truthful) provider are worried (rightfully) that the client is going to make you travel /douche/ spend other money/ etc for nothing. 

A client on the other side (who happens to be truthful) is worried that you are NOT a truthful provider. Having been burned before, he says no to you.

Either side, by acquiescing to the other, is taking a leap of faith. 
 

As Vin suggested, I would just put yourself in less of a position to force clients to make such a leap of faith. 
 

I suspect you are just here because of the harsh reality- that clients may indeed regularly decline you because you ask for a deposit, and you are frustrated about this standard.
 

You may wish to seek out hyper wealthy clients then like @Cretus or something lol , who seem receptive to deposits. But the general game is simply going to be what it is.

Inwish you a lot of success @TallMuscl37

 

Thanks @Daniel84 for your illuminating interaction on here- I learned something as a client myself.

[Cretus]

2 minutes ago, Venite said:

My last reply here is just to highlight something fundamental here: there is simply uncertainty on both sides.
 

Yes, you as a (presumably truthful) provider are worried (rightfully) that the client is going to make you travel /douche/ spend other money/ etc for nothing. 

A client on the other side (who happens to be truthful) is worried that you are NOT a truthful provider. Having been burned before, he says no to you.

Either side, by acquiescing to the other, is taking a leap of faith. 
 

As Vin suggested, I would just put yourself in less of a position to force clients to make such a leap of faith. 
 

I suspect you are just here because of the harsh reality- that clients may indeed regularly decline you because you ask for a deposit, and you are frustrated about this standard.
 

You may wish to seek out hyper wealthy clients then like @Cretus or something lol , who seem receptive to deposits. But the general game is simply going to be what it is.

Inwish you a lot of success @TallMuscl37

 

Thanks @Daniel84 for your illuminating interaction on here- I learned something as a client myself.

LOLoLOl I’m not hyper wealthy!!! Maybe I just am a tad bit wealthy and love this hobby 😂 

Edited December 23, 2024 by Cretus

[Vin Marco]

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Edited December 23, 2024 by Vin Marco

[TallMuscl37]

29 minutes ago, Vin Marco said:

This is the type of insanity I'm talking about!!!!!   This fukn guy actually believes you, the client,  should be paying for his cost of doing business. He feels the same way about advice, he has stated in the past that unless you're  paying his bills, why should he listen to you ( true story )

That is the cost of doing business ( overhead ) and if it's not a DROP IN THE BUCKET compared to your profit , you're in the wrong business pal!  If you're whining, complaining, moaning about 100.00 + for the cost of advertising, once again, you're in the wrong business!!! 

At least @Daniel84 was/ is open to friendly advice , doesn't live in an echo chamber  and is thankful/grateful for it AND in a moment of frustration, I can see why he initiated this thread. 

Dude, stop ✋🏾 You’re always talking about somebody whining, complaining and moaning. YOU are the one doing it the most! All I said is, if someone is LOOKING on a site where those who are there are paying $100 to advertise: there shouldn’t be a surprise if there are some who choose to ask for a monetary confirmation.

I don’t know where you get $100 for a ad being a reason to take deposits. I was referring to the costs of doing other things, such as upfront hotel and/or travel or even just local outcalls where the possibility of getting stood up is present.

[TallMuscl37]

25 minutes ago, Trick said:

You forgot to mention cities, hotels, gas stations, gay men, credit card companies, RentMen policies, airlines, deposit haters etc among the things whined, complained and moaned about.

And, what are you going to do about it? Don’t like it, stop reading it ✌you have so much to say, yet so little alternative to offer. You’re part of the pack mentality I refer. Big part. 

Edited December 23, 2024 by TallMuscl37

[Trick]

24 minutes ago, TallMuscl37 said:

And, what are you going to do about it? Don’t like it, stop reading it ✌you have so much to say, yet so little alternative to offer. You’re part of the pack mentality I refer. Big part. 

Proud member of this COM Pack.  Pack behavior is nature’s way of protecting creatures from predators.

[TallMuscl37]

1 hour ago, Venite said:

Note that by “

 

I meant that relative to Company of Men(CON) users, a randomly chosen member of the entire RM population is going to be likelier to be flaky/duplicitous than them.

 

This doesn’t equate to the statement “the average person is potentially a flake”.  It is just saying that a randomly chosen member of the entire RM population is likelier to be a flake/scammer than a COM member.

 

Yes, feel free to keep asking for deposits love.

I was simply quoting what you said. It’s fine if you decided to double-back and edit what you meant, but regardless of how you sweet n low or Splenda it up: You can’t get miffed because I agreed with what YOU said 🤷🏾‍♂️ Yes the numbers will show that the average and majority on RM are flakes and regardless of which side it is, browser or advertiser: we both have to do things to protect their time. However, it’s never going to carry the same weight. 

I’m not really here to say how clients should do that. I’m just making suggestion as it pertains to this topic of deposits.  
 

[Vin Marco]

46 minutes ago, TallMuscl37 said:

Dude, stop ✋🏾 You’re always talking about somebody whining, complaining and moaning. YOU are the one doing it the most! All I said is, if someone is LOOKING on a site where those who are there are paying $100 to advertise: there shouldn’t be a surprise if there are some who choose to ask for a monetary confirmation.

I don’t know where you get $100 for a ad being a reason to take deposits. I was referring to the costs of doing other things, such as upfront hotel and/or travel or even just local outcalls where the possibility of getting stood up is present.

"Trying to have a conversation with you would be like trying to argue with a dining room table, I have no interest in doing it"

- B. Frank 

and for that reason I'm out. Go the gym, go release your negativity and combative nature.  Find something, at least one thing you're grateful for, meditate on it, post something here that's positive, share with us something good. I don't agree with you on almost anything  but that doesn't mean I don't want you to eat. 

Edited December 23, 2024 by Vin Marco

[marylander1940]

On 12/21/2024 at 8:17 PM, Daniel84 said:

The anger we feel when providers request a deposit should be directed towards irresponsible clients who book appointments without any intention of showing up. Before the advent of burner phone apps, clients were more concerned about their reputation.

They're losers, they have nothing else to do but to bother you and others because they can't afford hiring!

[TallMuscl37]

7 minutes ago, Vin Marco said:

"Trying to have a conversation with you would be like trying to argue with a dining room table, I have no interest in doing it"

- B. Frank 

and for that reason I'm out. Go the gym, go release your negativity and combative nature.  Find something, at least one thing you're grateful for, meditate on it, post something here that's positive, share with us something good. I don't agree with you on basically everything but that doesn't mean I don't want you to eat. 

Sir by all due respect: there is no negativity or combative nature. I stated my points in this thread in a factual manner.

My issue is, every time I discuss something that you find different than how YOU think or believe advertisers/sex workers should operate: you have to then make some flippant comment, or talk about how it’s whining and complaining; and that’s disrespectful. Because when you minimize someone’s experiences and discussions, and then try to poke fun: that makes you look no better. 
 

Instead of telling me what I need to do outside of the forum, why don’t you start speaking to me with some respect and credibility? Acknowledge my experiences and challenges, instead of just acting like I’m some starving artist who has no experience and knows about anything except whining and complaining? Let’s start there. Then if you actually have something positive to recommend to me, you would go out of your way, and meet or speak to me privately: not on a forum where you can earn clout. 

[Guest]

My position on deposits has changed over the years. Now I am willing to send a small token to a well reviewed provider or someone that’s trusted here to earn their trust back. I won’t do it for a password to a gallery though. Some of the people here have changed my perspective.

[Cooper]

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