+ José Soplanucas Posted January 13 Posted January 13 1 hour ago, pubic_assistance said: Because it is. He blew some dickhead's brains out in a premeditated murder. He didn't blow up a school full of children. He didn't kill 100 people. He took out one repugnant CEO who apparently was so gross, few who knew him will miss him. (Maybe some day his kids will be sad about the two or three visits a month they missed ). Probably not. This was CLEARLY a pageant meant to help protect the upper class from rogue vigilantism. + Vegas_Millennial, + DrownedBoy and pubic_assistance 1 1 1
BSR Posted January 13 Posted January 13 48 minutes ago, José Soplanucas said: “Be a Luigi”?? If being a Luigi means unilaterally murdering anyone you think is evil, then I condemn that. But if being a Luigi means being gorgeous as f*** with a body even fitness models would envy, then yeah, absolutely, be a Luigi. pubic_assistance 1
+ sniper Posted January 13 Posted January 13 4 hours ago, pubic_assistance said: Because it is. He blew some dickhead's brains out in a premeditated murder. He didn't blow up a school full of children. He didn't kill 100 people. He took out one repugnant CEO who apparently was so gross, few who knew him will miss him. (Maybe some day his kids will be sad about the two or three visits a month they missed ). Probably not. This was CLEARLY a pageant meant to help protect the upper class from rogue vigilantism. I haven't read much about him, but where did you get that few who knew him would miss him?
pubic_assistance Posted January 13 Posted January 13 10 hours ago, sniper said: I haven't read much about him, I was curious, so I did dig around a little to get some back story. Of course you need to avoid the Crony-Corporate propaganda feeds like NYT, Forbes, etc etc It was a couple weeks ago...so I don't recall which publications I found the information. If I think of it, I will forward them to you. + DrownedBoy 1
+ sniper Posted January 13 Posted January 13 I mean, the wife's tone was clearly that of someone who was done with him and didn't care. That was what made me wonder if she had paid for it... + DrownedBoy and pubic_assistance 1 1
pubic_assistance Posted January 14 Posted January 14 1 hour ago, sniper said: I mean, the wife's tone was clearly that of someone who was done with him and didn't care. That was what made me wonder if she had paid for it... I didn't think she paid for his murder...but I did pick up on the vague disgust of his existence. I think she felt he was deserving of murder but not enough that she would instigate it. + augustus 1
+ ApexNomad Posted January 14 Posted January 14 2 hours ago, sniper said: I mean, the wife's tone was clearly that of someone who was done with him and didn't care. That was what made me wonder if she had paid for it... This is sounding like a Harlan Coben novel. soloyo215 1
+ DrownedBoy Posted January 14 Posted January 14 20 hours ago, sniper said: I'm sure Law and Order will do an episode. They already did. In that episode, the guy who killed the health insurance exec was let go after a hung jury. Luigi Mangione: "Law & Order" episode had similar story line 20 years ago WWW.NEWSWEEK.COM A "Law & Order" episode from 2002 focused on the murder of a health insurance executive in New York City. Luv2play and + Italiano 2
Luv2play Posted January 15 Posted January 15 1 hour ago, DrownedBoy said: They already did. In that episode, the guy who killed the health insurance exec was let go after a hung jury. Luigi Mangione: "Law & Order" episode had similar story line 20 years ago WWW.NEWSWEEK.COM A "Law & Order" episode from 2002 focused on the murder of a health insurance executive in New York City. So there you are; life imitating art. + José Soplanucas 1
Monarchy79 Posted February 11 Posted February 11 On 12/24/2024 at 8:40 AM, marylander1940 said: The CEO was harmful to others? The CEO was innovative in harming others. He implemented AI into UnitedHealthcare’s customer systems to deny claims in BULK, based on various factors. One could conclude that people died from not receiving the proper coverage for treatment of health conditions & diseases that could have been managed, but exacerbated due to those denials. + DrownedBoy, pubic_assistance, + Vegas_Millennial and 2 others 3 1 1
BSR Posted February 11 Posted February 11 10 hours ago, Monarchy79 said: The CEO was innovative in harming others. He implemented AI into UnitedHealthcare’s customer systems to deny claims in BULK, based on various factors. One could conclude that people died from not receiving the proper coverage for treatment of health conditions & diseases that could have been managed, but exacerbated due to those denials. If you’re throwing out the extremely serious charge of killing people, or causing deaths, I think it is irresponsible to do so without hard evidence. My old shitty health insurance denied surgery that I desperately needed (but not life-dependent), so I have no great love for health insurance companies or their CEOs who callously deny medical care. Hate the greedy bastards all you want but back it up with stone cold numbers. pubic_assistance and + DrownedBoy 2
Monarchy79 Posted February 12 Posted February 12 2 hours ago, BSR said: If you’re throwing out the extremely serious charge of killing people, or causing deaths, I think it is irresponsible to do so without hard evidence. My old shitty health insurance denied surgery that I desperately needed (but not life-dependent), so I have no great love for health insurance companies or their CEOs who callously deny medical care. Hate the greedy bastards all you want but back it up with stone cold numbers. There’s a class action lawsuit against United Healthcare confirming in-depth details of what I stated in my original post. My statement wasn’t drawn from my imagination or the inner lining of my rectum. Enjoy reading the lawsuit. You can google it. pubic_assistance, soloyo215, + DrownedBoy and 1 other 3 1
+ augustus Posted February 12 Posted February 12 Most of this thread is filled with harking to unicorns including the idea that non-profit status miraculously makes costs cheap and freely available. It doesn't. Medicare is a perfect example. People want high quality, low cost, and immediate access. Please tell me in what other industry can you successfully have all three? Mangione is an evil piece of crap who did this because he fancies himself a SJW. He will rot in the system, whether it's State or Federal. PS I've never been denied a claim from Blue Cross or UHC or even know anyone that has. + Vegas_Millennial and pubic_assistance 1 1
pubic_assistance Posted February 12 Posted February 12 7 minutes ago, augustus said: I've never been denied a claim from Blue Cross or UHC or even know anyone that has. So ? A single sampling does nothing. Most of us learned this in Junior High science class. The class-action lawsuit speaks better to how reprehensible UHC has become under their unethical leadership. Mangione's anger toward the industry is NOT unfounded. His actions are clearly beyond the standards of a civilized society. But then paying a CEO millions by denying claims to paying customers isn't very civilized either. thomas, + DrownedBoy, Monarchy79 and 2 others 4 1
+ augustus Posted February 12 Posted February 12 (edited) 39 minutes ago, pubic_assistance said: So ? A single sampling does nothing. Most of us learned this in Junior High science class. The class-action lawsuit speaks better to how reprehensible UHC has become under their unethical leadership. Mangione's anger toward the industry is NOT unfounded. His actions are clearly beyond the standards of a civilized society. But then paying a CEO millions by denying claims to paying customers isn't very civilized either. Do you have any examples of these "lifesaving" claim denials??? The only ones that I have read about are limiting psychiatrist visits (big deal, find someone else to talk their ears off) and denying wegovy (how about eating less). Edited February 12 by augustus
pubic_assistance Posted February 12 Posted February 12 3 minutes ago, augustus said: Do you have any examples of these "lifesaving" claim denials??? The only ones that I have read about are limiting psychiatrist visits (good) and denying wegovy (how about eating less). Read more / talk less. That's how you stay informed... LOTS of examples if you actually care. Seems your ignorance allows your opinions to thrive. Google is your friend when you prefer facts over feelings. Monarchy79, + augustus and + José Soplanucas 1 1 1
Cooper Posted February 12 Posted February 12 Administrator’s Warning: Gentlemen, Last reminder: stay on topic and avoid personal attacks.
+ augustus Posted February 12 Posted February 12 4 minutes ago, pubic_assistance said: Read more / talk less. That's how you stay informed... LOTS of examples if you actually care. Seems your ignorance allows your opinions to thrive. Google is your friend when you prefer facts over feelings. Yet, you can't cite one example. pubic_assistance 1
+ augustus Posted February 12 Posted February 12 (edited) 38 minutes ago, pubic_assistance said: Mangione's anger toward the industry is NOT unfounded Don't see how. He was never denied treatment or even had anything to do with UHC. He lifted weights and went surfing after his back surgery. What anger "toward the industry"??? The industry did nothing to him. Edited February 12 by augustus pubic_assistance 1
pubic_assistance Posted February 12 Posted February 12 54 minutes ago, augustus said: Yet, you can't cite one example. There are so many articles on the subject, it takes ONE SECOND to find one. *Google is your friend* UnitedHealthcare Tried to Deny Coverage to a Chronically Ill Patient. He Fought Back, Exposing the Insurer’s Inner Workings. WWW.PROPUBLICA.ORG After a college student finally found a treatment that worked, the insurance giant decided it wouldn’t pay for the costly drugs. His fight to get coverage exposed the... + augustus 1
+ augustus Posted February 12 Posted February 12 (edited) 18 minutes ago, pubic_assistance said: There are so many articles on the subject, it takes ONE SECOND to find one. *Google is your friend* And yet UHC still paid out $2 million a year for his care AND this "victim" wants to stay with UHC. You still haven't explained Mangione's "NOT unfounded anger toward the system" when he was never denied a claim or had anything to do with UHC. You have made a statement that has absolutely no basis in fact. Remember *Google is your friend* Edited February 12 by augustus pubic_assistance 1
pubic_assistance Posted February 12 Posted February 12 1 hour ago, augustus said: You still haven't explained Mangione's "NOT unfounded anger toward the system" when he was never denied a claim or had anything to do with UHC. You have made a statement that has absolutely no basis in fact. Remember *Google is your friend* I never stated that Mangione was a member of UHC. His "anger toward the system" is ideological and not a narcissistic need to right his own wrongs. These articles analyzing his psychology are everywhere. The facts about Brian Thompson directly profiting by denying care are published everywhere. The opinions of the public supporting Mangione's anger toward the industry as a whole are published everywhere. So my opinion is based on loads of facts. We simply have drawn separate conclusions (assuming you've actually read any of the hundreds of articles that have been written over the last few months on the subject). Lots of people are disgusted by the health insurance industry. Lots of people felt Thompson deserved to be hung, not shot in the street by a vigilante. But lots of people also think that since public hangings aren't really an option in the United States, a good looking young man who takes matters into his own hands, is merely "karmic" justice. And Luigi is a martyr for the movement to punish the grossly unethical profiteering that the industry has been guilty of for more than a decade. The amount of money he's received to help his legal expenses speaks to the public mood about the matter. What Motivated the UnitedHealthcare CEO Murder Suspect? NEWS.NORTHEASTERN.EDU While unclear if Mangione had a personal grievance with UnitedHealthcare, it is clear that he had an ideological disdain for the industry. + DrownedBoy, soloyo215, + José Soplanucas and 2 others 3 1 1
dutchal Posted February 12 Posted February 12 https://www.scrippsnews.com/us-news/crime/accused-killer-luigi-mangione-reportedly-accepts-over-300k-donated-by-fans-for-legal-defense pubic_assistance and + José Soplanucas 1 1
dutchal Posted February 12 Posted February 12 Fake news incident about his supposed death: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2025/02/11/cnbc-luigi-mangione-died-jail-fact-check/78420080007/ pubic_assistance 1
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