United Healthcare CEO killed

[+ DrownedBoy]

20 hours ago, sniper said:

I'm sure Law and Order will do an episode. 

They already did. In that episode, the guy who killed the health insurance exec was let go after a hung jury.

Luigi Mangione: "Law & Order" episode had similar story line 20 years ago

WWW.NEWSWEEK.COM

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A "Law & Order" episode from 2002 focused on the murder of a health insurance executive in New York City.

 

[Luv2play]

1 hour ago, DrownedBoy said:

They already did. In that episode, the guy who killed the health insurance exec was let go after a hung jury.

Luigi Mangione: "Law & Order" episode had similar story line 20 years ago

WWW.NEWSWEEK.COM

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A "Law & Order" episode from 2002 focused on the murder of a health insurance executive in New York City.

 

So there you are; life imitating art.

[Monarchy79]

On 12/24/2024 at 8:40 AM, marylander1940 said:

The CEO was harmful to others?

 

The CEO was innovative in harming others. He implemented AI into UnitedHealthcare’s customer systems to deny claims in BULK, based on various factors. 
One could conclude that people died from not receiving the proper coverage for treatment of health conditions & diseases that could have been managed, but exacerbated due to those denials. 
 

[BSR]

10 hours ago, Monarchy79 said:

The CEO was innovative in harming others. He implemented AI into UnitedHealthcare’s customer systems to deny claims in BULK, based on various factors. 
One could conclude that people died from not receiving the proper coverage for treatment of health conditions & diseases that could have been managed, but exacerbated due to those denials. 
 

If you’re throwing out the extremely serious charge of killing people, or causing deaths, I think it is irresponsible to do so without hard evidence.  My old shitty health insurance denied surgery that I desperately needed (but not life-dependent), so I have no great love for health insurance companies or their CEOs who callously deny medical care.  Hate the greedy bastards all you want but back it up with stone cold numbers.

[Monarchy79]

2 hours ago, BSR said:

If you’re throwing out the extremely serious charge of killing people, or causing deaths, I think it is irresponsible to do so without hard evidence.  My old shitty health insurance denied surgery that I desperately needed (but not life-dependent), so I have no great love for health insurance companies or their CEOs who callously deny medical care.  Hate the greedy bastards all you want but back it up with stone cold numbers.

There’s a class action lawsuit against United Healthcare confirming in-depth details of what I stated in my original post. 

My statement wasn’t drawn from my imagination or the inner lining of my rectum.
Enjoy reading the lawsuit. You can google it. 

[+ augustus]

Most of this thread is filled with harking to unicorns including the idea that non-profit status miraculously makes costs cheap and freely available.  It doesn't.  Medicare is a perfect example.  People want high quality, low cost, and immediate access. Please tell me in what other industry can you successfully have all three?  Mangione is an evil piece of crap who did this because he fancies himself a SJW.  He will rot in the system, whether it's State or Federal.  

PS I've never been denied a claim from Blue Cross or UHC or even know anyone that has.  

[pubic_assistance]

7 minutes ago, augustus said:

I've never been denied a claim from Blue Cross or UHC or even know anyone that has.  

So ?

A single sampling does nothing.

Most of us learned this in Junior High science class.

The class-action lawsuit speaks better to how reprehensible UHC has become under their unethical leadership.

Mangione's anger toward the industry is NOT unfounded. His actions are clearly beyond the standards of a civilized society. But then paying a CEO millions by denying claims to paying customers isn't very civilized either.

 

 

[+ augustus]

39 minutes ago, pubic_assistance said:

So ?

A single sampling does nothing.

Most of us learned this in Junior High science class.

The class-action lawsuit speaks better to how reprehensible UHC has become under their unethical leadership.

Mangione's anger toward the industry is NOT unfounded. His actions are clearly beyond the standards of a civilized society. But then paying a CEO millions by denying claims to paying customers isn't very civilized either.

 

 

Do you have any examples of these "lifesaving" claim denials???  The only ones that I have read about are limiting psychiatrist visits (big deal, find someone else to talk their ears off) and denying wegovy (how about eating less).  

Edited February 12 by augustus

[pubic_assistance]

3 minutes ago, augustus said:

Do you have any examples of these "lifesaving" claim denials???  The only ones that I have read about are limiting psychiatrist visits (good) and denying wegovy (how about eating less).  

Read more / talk less. That's how you stay informed...

LOTS of examples if you actually care.

Seems your ignorance allows your opinions to thrive.

Google is your friend when you prefer facts over feelings.

[Cooper]

Administrator’s Warning:

Gentlemen, Last reminder: stay on topic and avoid personal attacks. 

[+ augustus]

4 minutes ago, pubic_assistance said:

Read more / talk less. That's how you stay informed...

LOTS of examples if you actually care.

Seems your ignorance allows your opinions to thrive.

Google is your friend when you prefer facts over feelings.

Yet, you can't cite one example. 

[+ augustus]

38 minutes ago, pubic_assistance said:

Mangione's anger toward the industry is NOT unfounded

Don't see how.  He was never denied treatment or even had anything to do with UHC.  He lifted weights and went surfing after his back surgery.  What anger "toward the industry"???  The industry did nothing to him.  

Edited February 12 by augustus

[pubic_assistance]

54 minutes ago, augustus said:

Yet, you can't cite one example. 

There are so many articles on the subject, it takes ONE SECOND to find one.  *Google is your friend*

UnitedHealthcare Tried to Deny Coverage to a Chronically Ill Patient. He Fought Back, Exposing the Insurer’s Inner Workings.

WWW.PROPUBLICA.ORG

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After a college student finally found a treatment that worked, the insurance giant decided it wouldn’t pay for the costly drugs. His fight to get coverage exposed the...

 

[+ augustus]

18 minutes ago, pubic_assistance said:

There are so many articles on the subject, it takes ONE SECOND to find one.  *Google is your friend*

 

And yet UHC still paid out $2 million a year for his care AND this "victim" wants to stay with UHC. 

You still haven't explained Mangione's "NOT unfounded anger toward the system" when he was never denied a claim or had anything to do with UHC.  You have made a statement that has absolutely no basis in fact.  Remember *Google is your friend*  

Edited February 12 by augustus

[pubic_assistance]

1 hour ago, augustus said:

You still haven't explained Mangione's "NOT unfounded anger toward the system" when he was never denied a claim or had anything to do with UHC.  You have made a statement that has absolutely no basis in fact.  Remember *Google is your friend*  

I never stated that Mangione was a member of UHC.

His "anger toward the system" is ideological and not a narcissistic need to right his own wrongs.

These articles analyzing his psychology are everywhere. The facts about Brian Thompson directly profiting by denying care are published everywhere. The opinions of the public supporting Mangione's anger toward the industry as a whole are published everywhere. So my opinion is based on loads of facts. We simply have drawn separate conclusions (assuming you've actually read any of the hundreds of articles that have been written over the last few months on the subject). 

Lots of people are disgusted by the health insurance industry. Lots of people felt Thompson deserved to be hung, not shot in the street by a vigilante. But lots of people also think that since public hangings aren't really an option in the United States, a good looking young man who takes matters into his own hands, is merely "karmic" justice. And Luigi is a martyr for the movement to punish the grossly unethical profiteering that the industry has been guilty of for more than a decade.  The amount of money he's received to help his legal expenses speaks to the public mood about the matter.

What Motivated the UnitedHealthcare CEO Murder Suspect?

NEWS.NORTHEASTERN.EDU

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While unclear if Mangione had a personal grievance with UnitedHealthcare, it is clear that he had an ideological disdain for the industry.

 

[dutchal]

https://www.scrippsnews.com/us-news/crime/accused-killer-luigi-mangione-reportedly-accepts-over-300k-donated-by-fans-for-legal-defense

[dutchal]

Fake news incident about his supposed death:  https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2025/02/11/cnbc-luigi-mangione-died-jail-fact-check/78420080007/

 

[+ augustus]

2 hours ago, pubic_assistance said:

His "anger toward the system" is ideological and not a narcissistic need to right his own wrongs.

Who would have thought an immature, vain, lazy and self-absorbed little rich boy could be so altruistic.  Too funny.

[pubic_assistance]

1 hour ago, augustus said:

Who would have thought an immature, vain, lazy and self-absorbed little rich boy could be so altruistic.  Too funny.

Apparently your assessment falls short of what professional psychiatric evaluation says. In the end, only Luigi himself truly knows his motivation.

 

[+ DrownedBoy]

3 hours ago, pubic_assistance said:

Apparently your assessment falls short of what professional psychiatric evaluation says. In the end, only Luigi himself truly knows his motivation.

 

And I'm sure that will come up in court, so there's no point speculating and playing armchair psychologist.

[pubic_assistance]

2 hours ago, DrownedBoy said:

there's no point speculating and playing armchair psychologist

I'm sure he will receive psychological examinations of the non-armchair variety ...but given the circumstances and knowledge of his background other professionals can make opinions from their armchair. What Luigi says in court will be guided by his attorney, not the truth.

[+ DrownedBoy]

23 hours ago, pubic_assistance said:

 What Luigi says in court will be guided by his attorney, not the truth.

That's why prosecutors call their own psychiatrists. To counter what the defendant says.

[samhexum]

Luigi Mangione said he was “grateful” for his fans in his first public statement released two months after he was arrested, which was featured on the homepage of a new website created by his legal defense team to combat misinformation and offer updates on the multiple cases levied against him.

“I am overwhelmed by – and grateful for – everyone who has written me to share their stories and express their support,” said Mangione, who is being held at Brooklyn’s Metropolitan Detention Center. 

“Powerfully, this support has transcended political, racial, and even class divisions, as mail has flooded MDC from across the country, and around the globe. While it is impossible for me to reply to most letters, please know that I read every one that I receive,” he continued. 

“Thank you again to everyone who took the time to write. I look forward to hearing more in the future.” 

The statement comes just days after the 26-year-old accepted nearly $300,000 in donations raised by more than 10,000 donors supporting his cause.

Mangione could be executed if convicted in his federal case. 

Edited February 15 by samhexum
to maintain the incredibly high standards he has established here

[samhexum]

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with no description of either given, I chose dental

[+ azdr0710]

reposting the defense's team's official website for Mangione, which is somewhat buried in a post upthread.....

Luigi Mangione Legal Defense Information

WWW.LUIGIMANGIONEINFO.COM

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Due to the extraordinary volume of inquiries and outpouring of support, this site was created and is maintained by Luigi Mangione’s New York legal defense...