Deportation Nation---How does this affect the hobby?

[+ JamesB]

I was just thinking about how the recent enforcement of immigration policies and ongoing deportations might have another unintended impact on our hobby. It’s no secret that quite a few providers, especially those from Latin America, have a questionable legal status in the U.S.

Until now, accessing free or low-cost healthcare services like HIV PrEP and DoxyPEP has been relatively easy and safe for them. But with the increased risk of immigration scrutiny, I wonder how many will now be hesitant or afraid to seek these services, potentially putting both themselves and their clients at greater risk.

[musclestuduws]

Not to mention they must be living in constant fear of being arrested and deported. I assume many of them will pack up and return home. At least for a while..

Edit: Please keep politics out of your replies

[EZEtoGRU]

20 minutes ago, musclestuduws said:

Not to mention they must be living in constant fear of being arrested and deported. I assume many of them will pack up and return home. At least for a while, until the judiciary (hopefully) stops the chaos they are unnecessarily causing . 

The judiciary causing chaos?

On a related note, during my most recent trip to Fort Lauderdale I went to my favorite strip club on multiple nights.  Several of the dancers voiced a general concern over the increased enforcement action related to immigration.  They also mentioned that several dancers were not dancing much in order to keep a low profile for a while.  I assume that likely means doing escorting or other activities away from the bar.  Whilst my comment is not related directly to escorting per se, it is kind of escorting-adjacent.  Anyway, I thought it was interesting because the dancers raised the topic not me.

Taken to the extreme: Imagine if all the illegal escorts/dancers are returned to their home countries, most US-based folks are going to have to travel to Canada/Mexico or elsewhere to get our fix.  The few remaining legal people still in the biz in the US will have such high prices, very few people will be able to afford them.  It's the law of supply & demand you see.

 

[moonlight]

Has anyone noticed a fair number of Latino providers "dropping out" in the past couple months?

Of course it's impossible to say whether it's just normal attrition. I was especially sad to see that a well-reviewed Mexican masseur in PS I had been planning on seeing soon had an expired Rentmasseur page, which was deleted a month later.

[+ sync]

3 hours ago, EZEtoGRU said:

The judiciary causing chaos?

On a related note, during my most recent trip to Fort Lauderdale I went to my favorite strip club on multiple nights.  Several of the dancers voiced a general concern over the increased enforcement action related to immigration.  They also mentioned that several dancers were not dancing much in order to keep a low profile for a while.  I assume that likely means doing escorting or other activities away from the bar.  Whilst my comment is not related directly to escorting per se, it is kind of escorting-adjacent.  Anyway, I thought it was interesting because the dancers raised the topic not me.

Taken to the extreme: Imagine if all the illegal escorts/dancers are returned to their home countries, most US-based folks are going to have to travel to Canada/Mexico or elsewhere to get our fix.  The few remaining legal people still in the biz in the US will have such high prices, very few people will be able to afford them.  It's the law of supply & demand you see.

 

I can certainly understand them voluntarily returning to their home countries rather than risk being abducted and deported to a Venezuelan prison.

[pubic_assistance]

8 hours ago, musclestuduws said:

At least for a while, until the judiciary (hopefully) stops the chaos they are unnecessarily causing . 

When you enter a foreign country, illegally you risk chaos. Every illegal alien knows that. Keeping a low profile is necessary whether you're an escort or you mow lawns.

Currently the focus is on drug traffickers terrorism suspects and other criminal elements. I haven't seen any reports of sex workers being deported (yet).

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

10 hours ago, musclestuduws said:

Not to mention they must be living in constant fear of being arrested and deported. I assume many of them will pack up and return home.

That's the goal

It's like the increased police presence in the New York City subway.  It's there to hopefully discourage criminals before they even enter to commit a crime 

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

9 hours ago, moonlight said:

Has anyone noticed a fair number of Latino providers "dropping out" in the past couple months?

I have noticed a more diverse selection of dancers at strip clubs in Florida.  They were getting over saturated with Latin men, in my opinion, so the diversity is welcome

[+ José Soplanucas]

1 hour ago, pubic_assistance said:

Currently the focus is on drug traffickers terrorism suspects and other criminal elements.

I think you forgot political dissidents.

Sorry, moderators, I will not make any other mention to politics although this is a risky topic.

[pubic_assistance]

8 minutes ago, José Soplanucas said:

think you forgot political dissidents.

Defined as terrorists...so no. I didn't forget.

Can't say more without a political discussion.

Also it's tangential. My point being that the current crowd of deportation have not included sex workers.

[+ José Soplanucas]

1 hour ago, pubic_assistance said:

Defined as terrorists...so no. I didn't forget.

Can't say more without a political discussion.

Also it's tangential. My point being that the current crowd of deportation have not included sex workers.

Terrorists and political dissidents are not the same in my dictionary, and I do not think we should adopt authoritarian definitions.

But I see your point in your last sentence and I take it.

[MikePDNA51]

1. Escorts are already deported. I met a  UK escort traveling in Spain in 2022 . The escort claimed, “I was deported in 2019 and cannot go back to USA.” Do not know if this escort was telling the truth. He travels between UK and USA for years but eventually was caught. Tried returning to USA for work but immigration caught him. Immigration showed escort his online advertising, said, “we know how your paying to stay here,” and sent him back to Europe. Escort tracked through Dallas. The guy was decent looking but professional photographer made him look better in photos. I still liked the guy.  Escort told me, “guys in America are much easier to work with than in Europe, don’t trust German’s, and Europeans too you off.”I have been told by escorts in USA to move out of where I live because they saw me as a competitor. 
3. If USA makes more money for escorts they are going to stay. It’s basic economics, go where money located. 
4. on flight to Arabian Penninsula, i have a real job, I met a guy deported by ICE back to Pakistan, he was not as escort. Guy crossed USA border from Mexico into Arizona. 

I am not political what all cases  cases have in common: deportation in republican states while nothing happens in sanctuary cities. I could be totally wrong 

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

On 11/25/2024 at 4:45 AM, marylander1940 said:

On 11/24/2024 at 10:47 PM, Vegas_Millennial said:

Real IDs are issued to non-citizens also.  You just need proof of identity, not proof of citizenship, to obtain one.

and proof of social security. 

Or a tax ID #.  Tax ID #s are issued to non-citizens.

[marylander1940]

3 hours ago, MikePDNA51 said:

1. Escorts are already deported. I met a  UK escort traveling in Spain in 2022 . The escort claimed, “I was deported in 2019 and cannot go back to USA.” Do not know if this escort was telling the truth. He travels between UK and USA for years but eventually was caught. Tried returning to USA for work but immigration caught him. Immigration showed escort his online advertising, said, “we know how your paying to stay here,” and sent him back to Europe. Escort tracked through Dallas. The guy was decent looking but professional photographer made him look better in photos. I still liked the guy.  Escort told me, “guys in America are much easier to work with than in Europe, don’t trust German’s, and Europeans too you off.”I have been told by escorts in USA to move out of where I live because they saw me as a competitor. 
3. If USA makes more money for escorts they are going to stay. It’s basic economics, go where money located. 
4. on flight to Arabian Penninsula, i have a real job, I met a guy deported by ICE back to Pakistan, he was not as escort. Guy crossed USA border from Mexico into Arizona. 

Gabriel Cross's iPhone was searched, the agents discovered the real reasons of his many trips to the USA, and he was sent back home with a 10-year ban from reentering the country! 

Not only Americans are wealthier but in most of Europe prostitution is legal and as we all know if something is illegal is always more expensive. 

[Marc in Calif]

3 hours ago, pubic_assistance said:

[political dissidents are] Defined as terrorists...so no. I didn't forget.

Can't say more without a political discussion.

You've made a very political statement right there! 😘

[pubic_assistance]

57 minutes ago, Marc in Calif said:

You've made a very political statement right there! 😘

Only if you misunderstand the meaning of that sentence.

I am not personally defining them as such. I am saying that appears to be how the official line is being defined. What would be political is discussing the rights and wrongs of this definition. That's what I will not get into, out of respect for the site's guidelines.

As far as the occasional escort over-staying his visa or getting caught at the border with a phone full of pay4play appointments...the discussion here isn't about the occasional miscalculation it's about mass deportation affecting the business. Which so far....it has not.

But...I can't forecast what will happen with immigration over the next four years. It's been a real fast change of policy.

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[Cooper]

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[Marc in Calif]

On 3/27/2025 at 11:38 AM, pubic_assistance said:

Only if you misunderstand the meaning of that sentence.

I am not personally defining them as such. I am saying that appears to be how the official line is being defined.

Yes indeed!

Defined according to the "official" line -- which is, by definition, the line of those who currently are in the ascendancy and govern the nation. If not, who else is "official" these days?

[+ DrownedBoy]

Beginning in January (the most political thing I'll say here), government officials started setting "quotas" for ICE, grading offices by how many people they deport. That's the reality of the situation, and why things are picking up.

If you have a quota, you grab what you can find. It's easy to call a guy on RM. Worst, he gets arrested; best, he gets deported for "sex trafficking" or some other bullsh!t charge. Mark my words.

[marylander1940]

4 hours ago, DrownedBoy said:

Beginning in January (the most political thing I'll say here), government officials started setting "quotas" for ICE, grading offices by how many people they deport. That's the reality of the situation, and why things are picking up.

If you have a quota, you grab what you can find. It's easy to call a guy on RM. Worst, he gets arrested; best, he gets deported for "sex trafficking" or some other bullsh!t charge. Mark my words.

 

Maybe they are not going after foreign escorts now because they are grabbing as many collaterals as possible, people who were at their wrong place at the wrong time,  and they got caught in the net just because of plain old ethnic profiling.

I know guys who just won't go to Mount Pleasant which is Hispanic neighborhood in upper 16th Street in DC 

Yes I'm marking your words! They might soon simply show up after booking an appointment, and arrest a provider, possibly ask him which other foreign escorts he knows, check his agenda, his phone, etc.

Maybe at that point some in this forum might take it personal, if their go to guys are caught and it's now affecting their own lives.

 

Edited March 29 by marylander1940

[marylander1940]

On 3/26/2025 at 8:42 PM, EZEtoGRU said:

The judiciary causing chaos?

On a related note, during my most recent trip to Fort Lauderdale I went to my favorite strip club on multiple nights.  Several of the dancers voiced a general concern over the increased enforcement action related to immigration.  They also mentioned that several dancers were not dancing much in order to keep a low profile for a while.  I assume that likely means doing escorting or other activities away from the bar.  Whilst my comment is not related directly to escorting per se, it is kind of escorting-adjacent.  Anyway, I thought it was interesting because the dancers raised the topic not me.

Taken to the extreme: Imagine if all the illegal escorts/dancers are returned to their home countries, most US-based folks are going to have to travel to Canada/Mexico or elsewhere to get our fix.  The few remaining legal people still in the biz in the US will have such high prices, very few people will be able to afford them.  It's the law of supply & demand you see.

 

I couldn't agree with you more!

We should acknowledge how lucky we are to have hard working people doing jobs most Americans won't do unless they're desperate, facing eviction, etc.

The remarkable passion, work ethic and personal enjoyment many foreign escorts have because they considered themselves blessed to be in America!

[MikeBiDude]

This topic has run its course, and is leaning into politics.