Hiring day laborers?

[+ DrownedBoy]

16 hours ago, Vegas_Millennial said:

Here you are: 

 

 

 

I love this.

 

The consensus on those threads were:

- It's ok to hire homeless guys, BUT

- Don't give them extra money

 

The consensus on this thread is:

- It's despicable to offer money to a day laborer

 

Morally, there is a lot of hypocrisy here, as someone mentioned earlier.

As I concluded earlier - soliciting day laborers directly isn't smart or safe, but if they want to advertise on Grindr as well and are willing to accept offers through that, fine. Day laborers in landscaping don't just "garden" - they spend those 10 hours digging holes and carrying heavy rolls of sod or bags of topsoil. If one of them wants to get their pay easier, good for them.

[Monarchy79]

7 hours ago, topunderachiever said:

I'm curious if you guys think there are any other posters (don't name names) on this sight that make over $1Million each year?  

Or was this merely a slip of the keyboard?  

I think there are quite a few. 
this is a site filled with men over a certain age who have discussed their successes with finances in other forums . 

[Manhattan]

I love it when WE talk about THEM. 
As far as I can tell, the day laborers we see outside of home depot are people. Maybe even people who can make decisions about what they are willing to do to earn money. 

Most of us go to spas where undocumented men get paid to give massages. Do you feel conflicted about asking for extras?

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

On 10/26/2024 at 1:37 PM, Monarchy79 said:

I’ve used Day Laborers, for painting, landscaping work, and general contracting. They are great. 

They are not street hustlers for sex, and I recommend not propositioning them for such activities. 
 

 

 

I agree.  Just like male strippers are great at dancing but often lack in escorting skills, I would heed @Monarchy79's advice and not hire immigrant day laborers for sex work.  Some are probably dirty, sweaty, not groomed in their private areas, and aren't as active about STI testing as a professional man for rent would be.  Even if he agrees to do it for the money, an immigrant day laborer is not going to be as enjoyable as a professional escort who has honed his body and his craft.

Edited May 3 by Vegas_Millennial
Replaced "they" with another pronoun, as I would only hire one man at a time

[StableMentalDefective]

7 hours ago, Vegas_Millennial said:

I agree.  Just like male strippers are great at dancing but often lack in escorting skills, I would heed @Monarchy79's advice and not hire immigrant day laborers for sex work.  They are probably dirty, sweaty, not groomed in their private areas, and aren't as active about STI testing as a professional man for rent would be.  Even if he agrees to do it for the money, an immigrant day laborer is not going to be as enjoyable as a professional escort who has honed his body and his craft.

Dirty??? Hmph!

[TyrEngineer]

3 minutes ago, StableMentalDefective said:

Dirty??? Hmph!

They were referring to hygiene, but seems you read that a different way. I'll fix it for you. Their private areas are probably dirty, sweaty and not groomed. Not that I agree completely, lots of physical labor makes me want to take more showers not less.

[Spikeguy]

I don’t mind a bush.

[+ DrownedBoy]

The (ahem) bored upper middle class ladies who invited landscape workers inside always offered a shower first, as well as a way to brush their teeth.

The shower was always the first. I recall this 70+ wealthy widow answering the door to this 18 year old Mexican kid, and she wasn't wearing anything but a towel.

[+ nycman]

On 10/30/2024 at 11:16 PM, Whippoorwill said:

While they are paid under the table…..it's not costing the taxpayers a dime.

You see the flaw in your logic….right?

[Kenny]

How about the pool boy?

💦

 

[+ purplekow]

On 10/29/2024 at 7:13 AM, Rugger416 said:

I make seven figures each year. Am I prevented from hiring anyone of a “lower socio economic status”?

If the purpose is to exploit a desperate person, then yes.  If it is to utilize a service they are providing as an occupation no.  It may be true that some escorts do the work out of desperation, but that is their choice.  If you are utilizing money as power to get someone to do something they would not otherwise be doing willingly, that is indeed exploitation.  And if you are indeed making 7 figures, I would think that paying full fees should not be a concern, unless two of those figures are after the decimal point, in which case, there may be a budgeting issue.   

Based on the definition below this practice utilizes the three specified types of exploitation.  It may also involve other forms as exploitation as well.  

In a legal context, "exploitation" generally refers to the act of taking unfair or improper advantage of another person or situation for personal gain, often involving fraud, coercion, or abuse of power. It can encompass various forms, including financial exploitation, labor exploitation, and sexual exploitation. 

Edited July 26 by purplekow

[+ sniper]

On 5/3/2025 at 9:08 AM, DrownedBoy said:

The (ahem) bored upper middle class ladies who invited landscape workers inside always offered a shower first, as well as a way to brush their teeth.

The shower was always the first. I recall this 70+ wealthy widow answering the door to this 18 year old Mexican kid, and she wasn't wearing anything but a towel.

You recall? Was that a movie or were you her grandson?

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

7 hours ago, purplekow said:

If you are utilizing money as power to get someone to do something they would not otherwise be doing willingly, that is indeed exploitation. 

Just don't tell my employer.  That company has been exploiting me for nearly a quarter century (giving me money to do something I would not otherwise be doing willingly).  I sure would hate for that exploitation to end.

Edited July 26 by Vegas_Millennial

[+ purplekow]

2 hours ago, Vegas_Millennial said:

Just don't tell my employer.  That company has been exploiting me for nearly a quarter century (giving me money to do something I would not otherwise be doing willingly).  I sure would hate for that exploitation to end.

If you are doing your job out of desperation and have no other options, then you are indeed being exploited.  If it is that you are not seeking a different job due to inertia, personal circumstance, then you are not being exploited you are merely complicit in the employer employee relationship   So if you did not sell your soul to the company store, then likely you are just working.      

 

Edited July 26 by purplekow

[Whippoorwill]

Lots of very certain opinions on this thread. A couple of things occur to me. Is it not possible that some percentage of day laborers are gay/bi, just as some percentage of the entire population is? A well-tuned gaydar should allow one to make an offer to the right person that is welcomed, not exploitive. Second, having lived in California most of my life, and as a frequent Puerto Vallarta visitor, my Latino buddies long ago explained to me a common characteristic of machismo…it’s not gay if you’re the top. I’ve experienced many a “straight” trick who’d more than happily accept a blow job, but would never touch another guy’s cock, much less suck it. As a Latino friend once told me, his father said to him “I don’t care if you are gay” (in Dad’s mind, fucking a guy in the ass), but if I ever hear of you being fucked, I will murder you.”

In other words, use discretion, treat everyone with respect, and don’t project our cultural values on everyone.

Edited July 26 by Whippoorwill

[+ KensingtonHomo]

44 minutes ago, Whippoorwill said:

my Latino buddies long ago explained to me a common characteristic of machismo…it’s not gay if you’re the top. I’ve experienced many a “straight” trick who’d more than happily accept a blow job, but would never touch another guy’s cock, much less suck it. As a Latino friend once told me, his father said to him “I don’t care if you are gay” (in Dad’s mind, fucking a guy in the ass), but if I ever hear of you being fucked, I will murder you.”

 

This was also the mentality among many white ethnic immigrants before and during WWII. The concept of two men forming an equal partnership due to mutual attraction and love is a relatively recent historical phenomenon. While some interesting historical moments predate WWII - mainly in Europe - what we think of as a gay relationship is largely a post-WWII middle-class phenomenon. George Chauncey's Gay New York is a fascinating historical analysis of how the concept of gay identity emerged from the 1890s through the 1940s. 

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

18 hours ago, Whippoorwill said:

my Latino buddies long ago explained to me a common characteristic of machismo…it’s not gay if you’re the top.

 

17 hours ago, KensingtonHomo said:

This was also the mentality among many white ethnic immigrants before and during WWII. The concept of two men forming an equal partnership due to mutual attraction and love is a relatively recent historical phenomenon.

I am grateful to have learned something useful today.  To be culturally sensitive to the Day Laborers I hire who are willing to top me but do not want an equal partnership, I will from now on try to remember to say "Exploit me, Daddy" as each of them pounds my ass.  🥳

This way, as the bottom, it will be clear for the record that I am the one who is exploited, if that makes him feel better.  It's important to make him feel macho and I'm control, especially if I am interested in hiring him again.  😍

Edited Sunday at 04:13 PM by Vegas_Millennial
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