The Commonplace Expectation of $100 Massage/$200 Escort?

[Vin Marco]

14 minutes ago, BuffaloKyle said:

Yes he changed his profile name. If you go onto someone's profile page next to their current name will be a little reverse arrow to click and see any past usernames and the day they changed it.

I think multiple accounts is what's being questioned not an easy name change. 
On a side note maybe this site needs a "kvetch" sub forum ( that I'd probably never visit, read or post on ) It's always the same nonsense,  same topics already beat to death that seem to resurface 🙄 

 

 

[Vin Marco]

1 hour ago, Ali Gator said:

As a pet owner who would do anything for my dog, I can assure you 'amusing' is not what it is. 

This 💯 ☝️ I have 2 dogs ( had 3... just put my 12 year old bulldog down ) and 3 cats and I too would do anything for my animals. I agree that the comparison was in poor taste... 😕 

Edited December 6, 2024 by Vin Marco

[Ali Gator]

19 hours ago, Vin Marco said:

 I agree that the comparison was in poor taste... 😕 

You're a true gentleman, and being too kind. The comparison was beyond 'poor taste'.

Comparing his prices/services to that of a veterinarian performing life-saving skills on a beloved, helpless animal is in the realm of insanity. 

[Daniel84]

My issue is i am sick and tired of T clients. I don’t mind what somebody does, but I’m not a dealer and I’m not going to do it with you. I’m in San Francisco right now and I lost nine clients in two days because I wouldn’t smoke t with them. 
 

I am very frustrated with how the industry and market is at. So many clients have fake burner numbers. I receive tons of fake appointments maybe from Clients or maybe from other escorts. I feel in today’s political environment. People are just mean and disrespectful. 
 

To the original poster, I completely understand how you feel the best thing to do is not let these people take  up so much oxygen and stop letting these people live rent free in your head. 

[pubic_assistance]

6 hours ago, Daniel84 said:

I feel in today’s political environment. People are just mean and disrespectful. 

Let's not start inserting political commentary.

[Vin Marco]

10 hours ago, Daniel84 said:

My issue is i am sick and tired of T clients. I don’t mind what somebody does, but I’m not a dealer and I’m not going to do it with you. I’m in San Francisco right now and I lost nine clients in two days because I wouldn’t smoke t with them. 

This is a drastic and stark reminder of  how different we experience the "biz" as individuals. If I found myself in a situation where 9 clients in two days cancelled me because I wouldn't partake in the smoking of crystal meth I'd be reevaluating everything... I've never agreed to see someone that wanted to smoke crystal meth, I've never been asked to smoke crystal meth with a client... I don't know you but I do know that you just dodged 9 bullets. I'm sorry you missed out on what you were counting on but no client is better than a whacked out client that could have led to  a long list of other very unfortunate situations ( the kind that require A LOT of splaining..... ) 

Now.... back to the original topic... 

10 hours ago, Daniel84 said:

To the original poster, I completely understand how you feel the best thing to do is not let these people take  up so much oxygen and stop letting these people live rent free in your head. 

More rational advice to the OP 👏☝️not that he will take it and not that he won't give you reasons why....  but I definitely agree with you on that excellent advice.

There are many easy ways to deal with flakes that don't require so much precious and finite energy and that don't involve deposits, "consultation" fee's and tariffs 😂 

Edited December 7, 2024 by Vin Marco

[NJF]

3 hours ago, Vin Marco said:

This is a drastic and stark reminder of  how different we experience the "biz" as individuals. If I found myself in a situation where 9 clients in two days cancelled me because I wouldn't partake in the smoking of crystal meth I'd be reevaluating everything... I've never agreed to see someone that wanted to smoke crystal meth, I've never been asked to smoke crystal meth with a client... I don't know you but I do know that you just dodged 9 bullets. I'm sorry you missed out on what you were counting on but no client is better than a whacked out client that could have led to  a long list of other very unfortunate situations ( the kind that require A LOT of splaining..... ) 

Now.... back to the original topic... 

More rational advice to the OP 👏☝️not that he will take it and not that he won't give you reasons why....  but I definitely agree with you on that excellent advice.

There are many easy ways to deal with flakes that don't require so much precious and finite energy and that don't involve deposits, "consultation" fee's and tariffs 😂 

Tariffs? Lol what about VAX?

[Daniel84]

12 hours ago, pubic_assistance said:

Let's not start inserting political commentary.

In today’s society it’s normal to be rude, mean and dishonest. It’s the “Climate “ we live in. 

[pubic_assistance]

5 hours ago, Daniel84 said:

In today’s society it’s normal to be rude, mean and dishonest. It’s the “Climate “ we live in. 

Better.

Thanks.

 

[Massageguy99]

All I can say is after reading many postings from OP I would never consider hiring him. 

He has actually visited two cities I have been in and both times I hired someone else based on what I have read here. 

Have I had bad hires in the past absolutely. Have I had great experience at low price points, absolutely. 

Do I think price automatically means you are hiring quality? Not at all. 

The reality is every time we hire it is a gamble and the provider can post all that they have learned, how many hours of massage they have done etc. 

None of that means much because each person forms a different connection and related to the massage differently. 

I have seen providers recommended by others and not enjoyed the experience, likewise I have seen people not recommended and had a great time. 

This hobby/business is a funny one and on both sides there are flakes and time wasters. 

[+ PhileasFogg]

On 12/4/2024 at 10:50 PM, TallMuscl37 said:

 

At the same time, I feel $150 could end up being full on escort services…and next thing, someone is tricked into thinking that’s all they should charge. And that’s a slippery slope because, I find 150 guys don’t even come around as often as I’d expect. I’ve done stuff for 150, as an entry level offer and then they still don’t become regulars.

I’m just curious, where did $150 as a common rate come from? I’m grateful that I usually get booked for sessions more than that, but the crazy economy has made the slow times far more these past couple years. Some cities, one can be quiet trying to charge $300, but might get a few at $100/$150.

I’m not just providing a bed and a bottle of lube…its much more than that.

What you provide is irrelevant in the marketplace if others provide the same thing for less.

What you're expressing is a concern over is a commoditization of your services at low cost.   I can buy groceries at Kroger, or I could choose Publix or Whole Foods.   They all sell food and my needs are basic.  At the latter two, I pay considerably more, but the staff is friendly and engaged.   At Kroger, I pay about 25-35% less - for FOOD.   I choose low price.   But this is not absolute - I still have a Rolex and not a Timex driving a Mercedes and not a Chevy.   The economic concept is "utility" - and for some guys, the utility is getting head or touch from a warm hand and that's all.   I think it's been said multiple times that the way to avoid commoditization is through building relationships with regulars offering repetitive income even if it's at a lower price.

I understand your feelings.   You see this as a slippery slope to commoditization that doesn't bode well for you in the crystal ball.   But you're not bigger than the market and at some point, you may have to choose if this is the profession for you.

Edited December 8, 2024 by PhileasFogg

[Monarchy79]

On 12/6/2024 at 11:19 PM, Daniel84 said:

I feel in today’s political environment. People are just mean and disrespectful. 
 

People are self-absorbed, inconsiderate ass-WHOLES, regardless of the political environment. 

Human nature always supersedes any other factor that is assumed to impact how people behave… which includes politics, economy, and the environment. 
 

 

[TallMuscl37]

Coming back to this topic, I’ve been away: I noticed it was merged but I know I had created a 2nd topic originally called $150 blessing or a curse lol.

 

On 12/5/2024 at 4:23 AM, PhileasFogg said:

$150 is $150 more than you’d have if you do nothing.  All else equal, like transportation distance etc.

$150 is a gateway to regulars.   When your available time is so booked from regulars that you have no room for more clients, then you have a commodity to barter with.  That’s when you raise prices to maximize value on your time and make more doing less   

So the question is, would you rather do two clients a day for $150 each and make $1,500/wk to cover fixed costs, or wait in hope that someone will fly in from SoCal by chance.  But if you wait, you may have made $3,000 in those two weeks AND still had the time for fun with the guy from SoCal.

i come across a lot of folks (in many skills and trades) who say my time is worth $x.   Unfortunately, until other people know they’re worth $x, then they’re not getting the calls.  A decade ago, my half brother, a tradesman, once said “I will only work for $50/hr.”   I guess that’s why he’s 54 yrs old and living with his father with plenty of time on his hands  

just my two cents…

And btw…STL is not a wasteland….its just full of guys who will do basic stuff (or more) for $150.  The market sets the price AND the expectation of “value for the money”…that capitalism.    In my retirement, I consult for $150/hr.  I’m booked full time with a six month backlog.  Now’s the time for me to raise prices.   And I’ll sent you a bill for $37.50 for the 15 minutes I spent on this consultation…😉

I’m going to quote you first. Because you have a knack for trying to dispute me. And I am going to show you why some of your ideology is incorrect. And the people who “liked” your post, can probably learn something too. 

What you’re saying sounds good in theory. But I’ve cautioned before on the forum about people using hypothetical numbers to predict someone’s income. You’re basing it on the idea that, $150 is going to be a reasonable amount for all clients. But I’m going to show you real world evidence that gives a different window to that: 

#1: I’ve never seen 2 clients a day everyday, and I’ve been in the game for over 10 years. Let’s be clear on that. I’m not a conveyor belt

#2: Your half brother tradesman is irrelevant to this discussion. Idk what $50 an hour he’s referring to, and it probably is nothing to do with this. And clearly if it did, based on YOUR logic: he should be busy off his feet for $50. If you say $150 is an easy gateway.

#3: Years ago I lived in a city when Craigslist was popular (San Antonio). Most of the guys only wanted to pay $100 max. I had my own place, car, so could do incall or outcall. I was often available last minute, with no deposit required. I did $60-$80 rub and tugs for a time, but I wasn’t getting anywhere.
 

The money they were giving me was just enough to pay rent and personal expenses. But after about 7-8 months: everything dried up. Those phantom regulars never became regulars. Most only came once or twice. They were getting their thrill for cheap, and disappearing. I even had one regular say, “how much would you charge to ***k me next time?” I must have said 150/200 (again, this is like 2010 time frame). He’s like: “I don’t have that kind of money”. WOW. Really? And he’s come like 3-4 times previously. I think that was the last time I seen him. 
 

There’s ALOT of men out there, who think $50-$60-$100 for s** is a good price to pay. I have worked TIRELESSLY to get away from that stigma. It’s a misconception, myth, assumption, lie, misbelieve, preconceived notion, fantasy: that if a guy charges a rate for X amount: that it will equate to more money in his pocket over time. Let’s be clear on that. 
 

#4: You don’t have to tell me what St. Louis is not. I’ve experienced both there and Kansas City well enough to know what goes on. Whether other guys are doing $150 or not is besides the fact. What I do know is, many of them don’t even want to pay that much, or they expect Black sex to be free, so some waste our time pretending to be interested in paying, only to not follow thru. I’ve seen it first hand. And it’s one reason why for a long time, I’ve avoided many high concentrated Black cities because: that same logic you tout about “finding anyone for XXX amount” is all too common where Black and Poverty coexist. 
 

Now…back to the proof I was promising about the $150 idea “having 2 clients a day @ $1,500 a week” (client speaking in grey message).

I offered him an easy 150 meet for just a short session that he requested: and couldn’t keep the appointment. Just giving me the run around. 

Most of the time, these $150 guys either don’t become regulars or…they want something impossible like a last minute, same day appointment. I’ve said before, to have that type of set up: someone has to either be available round the clock, or really have no dignity or integrity about their friends, family and other clients to be able to stay available all the time for low ball clients. Then, the clients who patronize that kind of service, want to  come to ME and talk about how they got scammed because they paid $150 for a 30 second blow job 🎤 

Fast toward to earlier this week: I was given 800 for a two session EXPERIENCE with a client. THAT is the kind of money I want to deal with. Scrapping crumbs off the bottom of the barrel does nothing but expose me to more crappy people who don’t appreciate my worth and time. They flake, they cancel, they don’t fucking give a shit about escorts  👎🏾 

Edited December 13, 2024 by TallMuscl37

[TallMuscl37]

On 12/5/2024 at 7:59 PM, Simon Suraci said:

I’m laughing out loud after spending a solid minute considering what, if anything could possibly scare him away. Or any of his personas/accounts, really.

Can I phone a friend?

Love you, Jarrod. At least you’re consistent, no matter who you’re posting as. We can always count on your complaining to spark up a lively and entertaining, if unproductive, exchange!

 

Girl bye. You are so fake and phony. I’ve addressed you before, there’s no reason to keep baiting me into conflicts with you. We’ve agreed to disagree, I’ve said what I have to say: just move on. I’ve agreed and disagreed with things you’ve said like an adult. No reason to come here and start making false claims about someone having multiple user names. It makes the moderators look incompetent (because wouldn’t I have been banned if I was trolling making multiple user names? Hmm 🤔). And It makes YOU look childish and petty. Goodbye 👋🏾 

 

On 12/5/2024 at 9:43 PM, Ali Gator said:

Really ? You find a guy who needs to take his helpless dog to the vet (probably for emergency services) and spend up to $1,000 as 'amusing' ?  As a pet owner who would do anything for my dog, I can assure you 'amusing' is not what it is. 

And you want to compare yourself and your fees to the vet visit ?  You have that kind of undeserved self-importance ? 

It's time you found a new line of work. This really is no longer for you. 

You have completely misinterpreted the meaning of what I said. I have owned a dog, and I’ve gone to the vet more than once. I use that simply for the fact that, people often put the dog’s worth at a higher pedestal than a human’s worth: specifically the human they are fucking. It wasn’t in any sense, meant to negate the medical care of a dog.

And you sure have a lot of clout to come on here and have the audacity to tell me to find a new line of work? Who the fuck do you think you are? What bills or contributions are you making of mine, to suggest I go find some other way to earn a living? You are out of your rabid ass mind. Don’t address me again on here if that’s the mentality you have. Because I absolutely won’t tolerate it. 

Edited December 13, 2024 by TallMuscl37

[TallMuscl37]

On 12/5/2024 at 10:13 PM, BuffaloKyle said:

Yes he changed his profile name. If you go onto someone's profile page next to their current name will be a little reverse arrow to click and see any past usernames and the day they changed it.

The people making those assumptions; they are bored and petty. I changed my username for personal reasons (Google searches can look up posts under someone’s working name…and I prefer to share things only in the realm of those who are actively seeking out this platform).

So why they formulate some weird assumption about me using multiple usernames? And then want to throw out old former names to try and embarrass me. I’m not embarrassed one bit. You know who’s had multiple names? Just about every Hollywood movie star lol. 

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On 12/5/2024 at 10:31 PM, Vin Marco said:

I think multiple accounts is what's being questioned not an easy name change. 
On a side note maybe this site needs a "kvetch" sub forum ( that I'd probably never visit, read or post on ) It's always the same nonsense,  same topics already beat to death that seem to resurface 🙄 

 

 

There’s no multiple accounts, like I stated. Some people just prefer to live in a bubble and think the only person who talks about things not being all champagne 🍾 and roses 🥀 in the industry: is me. They rather hold onto the nostalgia of smoke and mirrors: 

“It's always the same nonsense, same topics already beat to death that seem to resurface 🙄 “

Well, I’ve always said nobody has to be here if they don’t want to. You’re a great writer and speaker, maybe you can post some threads that talk about how clients and escorts can better relate? 
 

It’s often the same topics for me, because it’s the same shit that keeps coming around. For example: I had a client a couple months ago give me $500. Perfect right? But then he starts this bullshit:

First it was $150, and then:
 

Now he’s offering $30? Really? This is the type of mind fuck bullshit I deal with. And I hate when people like @Ali Gator and @PhileasFogg @Simon Suraciwho constantly gaslight, ridicule, and misinterpret the things I say to try and make like I’m crazy.

No, I’m not. What people need to do, is admit that sometimes escorts, specifically ESCORTS OF CERTAIN RACIAL (Black) BACKGROUNDS IN AMERICA often have to deal with shit, that those who are of other ethnic backgrounds or giving it up for free, might not. And even if they do, it still may not be to the LEVEL that we may deal with. The issue keeps coming up because nobody is actually addressing it or encouraging alternative ways to resolve it.

And here’s the thing: I’ve DONE THE THINGS to resolve it: (website, deposits, cancel fees, consultations, etc etc and etc etc on top of etc etc); yet these people STILL try to find reasons to nitpick and undermine it.

It’s annoying. I know you’re one of the few who understand, but I just need you to champion that more, versus just saying what you think people here want to hear. You can’t have my back, but then jump on the bandwagon of intolerance, when it’s convenient. Just isn’t going to work for me. That’s not how I roll.

Edited December 13, 2024 by TallMuscl37

[TallMuscl37]

On 12/6/2024 at 10:19 PM, Daniel84 said:

My issue is i am sick and tired of T clients. I don’t mind what somebody does, but I’m not a dealer and I’m not going to do it with you. I’m in San Francisco right now and I lost nine clients in two days because I wouldn’t smoke t with them. 
 

I am very frustrated with how the industry and market is at. So many clients have fake burner numbers. I receive tons of fake appointments maybe from Clients or maybe from other escorts. I feel in today’s political environment. People are just mean and disrespectful. 
 

To the original poster, I completely understand how you feel the best thing to do is not let these people take  up so much oxygen and stop letting these people live rent free in your head. 

 

Thanks much. I appreciate what you have said. I don’t do any kind of drug/party stuff either. Some of my most compromising situations, have been when I have agreed to meet people who were either knowingly or unknowingly on it.

And absolutely, there’s nobody going to be living rent free in my head 👍🏾 
 

On 12/5/2024 at 10:44 PM, Vin Marco said:

This 💯 ☝️ I have 2 dogs ( had 3... just put my 12 year old bulldog down ) and 3 cats and I too would do anything for my animals. I agree that the comparison was in poor taste... 😕 

 

Again, like I said: the context I was using. It wasn’t to say medical care for an animal is not important. What I was saying is: I would be hard pressed to hear that someone is willing to spend $1,500 on a “spontaneous” vet bill (I’ve had a dog, and 2 cats myself…and unless it’s an actual injury, most of them did NOT require the $250 “emergency fee” that I found myself faced with). My dog was once diagnosed years ago (I don’t have pets now) with (edit) mange. The medication was going to be $240. I was 18 working an entry level job at the time. I said no. Went to PetsMart, found the most expensive flea/tick shampoo ($18ish I think) and used it. Within a week, the mange cleared. But the vet wouldn’t even say, “You can go to petsmart and pick up…” they’re running a business like any other. I had to look it up for myself.
 

Now; there are men out there who will pay huge vet bills…but then turn around when it comes to booking a provider, it’s “I don’t have that much”. See what I mean? 
 

That’s why I say: you’re buying into the bullies on here, and misinterpreting the context I’m using in the process. I’m going to speak on that further in a moment…
 

On 12/7/2024 at 4:28 AM, pubic_assistance said:

Let's not start inserting political commentary.

political climate is importance in this biz. Lot of things are down to politics.

 

On 12/8/2024 at 8:59 AM, Massageguy99 said:

All I can say is after reading many postings from OP I would never consider hiring him. 

He has actually visited two cities I have been in and both times I hired someone else based on what I have read here. 

Have I had bad hires in the past absolutely. Have I had great experience at low price points, absolutely. 

Do I think price automatically means you are hiring quality? Not at all. 

The reality is every time we hire it is a gamble and the provider can post all that they have learned, how many hours of massage they have done etc. 

None of that means much because each person forms a different connection and related to the massage differently. 

I have seen providers recommended by others and not enjoyed the experience, likewise I have seen people not recommended and had a great time. 

This hobby/business is a funny one and on both sides there are flakes and time wasters. 

Well you know what? That’s too bad. Your loss. Comments like yours, are the reason many escorts don’t post on here. So when someone asks, “why don’t more escorts post here”: you’ll be the answer. 
 

And if someone has the lack of integrity to come on here and say they won’t book someone based on their posts here…knowing that could damage their credibility: that makes you look worse than me. It goes to show you’re judgmental, and rather this forum be a place only for clients than actual discussions among the community as a whole. Goodbye 👋🏾 

Edited December 13, 2024 by TallMuscl37

[TallMuscl37]

On 12/7/2024 at 8:48 AM, Vin Marco said:

More rational advice to the OP 👏☝️not that he will take it and not that he won't give you reasons why....  but I definitely agree with you on that excellent advice.

There are many easy ways to deal with flakes that don't require so much precious and finite energy and that don't involve deposits, "consultation" fee's and tariffs 😂 

Wow. Is that how it is? Okay. I get it. I’m quite disheartened. You’ve shown to be 2 faced and like to play the safe card. I haven’t had the chance 1st of all, to even read or respond to what his reply was. So where do you come off saying I won’t take his advice? Then to add insult to injury you criticize again deposit and consultation fees and call it tariffs?

I thought you were a real person to confide in, but once again it’s shown me that a lot of people in this gay lifestyle and especially the sex work industry: are artificial and fake. I’ve seen it time and again this year, and I’m tired. I guess I should take the blame for being so trusting and allowing people with salty intentions in my circle. I’m not doing it again.  

Thankyou for your service, but I’m ending the friendship. You want to keep coming here and throwing me under the bus on threads, I won’t tolerate it. Agree/disagree but I won’t be belittled. 

Edited December 13, 2024 by TallMuscl37

[TallMuscl37]

On 12/6/2024 at 10:19 PM, Daniel84 said:

My issue is i am sick and tired of T clients. I don’t mind what somebody does, but I’m not a dealer and I’m not going to do it with you. I’m in San Francisco right now and I lost nine clients in two days because I wouldn’t smoke t with them. 
 

I am very frustrated with how the industry and market is at. So many clients have fake burner numbers. I receive tons of fake appointments maybe from Clients or maybe from other escorts. I feel in today’s political environment. People are just mean and disrespectful. 
 

To the original poster, I completely understand how you feel the best thing to do is not let these people take  up so much oxygen and stop letting these people live rent free in your head. 

I’ll also add one other thing: I’ve noticed when I put my ads on “registered members only” for the phone number: I deal with much less nonsense. I did that for the duration of the last holiday weekend. I didn’t want to get sidetracked or in a bad mood dealing with nonsense. My ad phone does become quieter, however I don’t have to deal with as much of the riff raff. For example, I have my rates posted in my ad on one site, and website to my rates in another.
 

The first couple sentences in my ad give directions to my rates. Guess what messages I got when I put my number publicly visible? 
 

 

 

 

Mind you, non of these turned into bookings. Thats the issue. They’re texting too early, and too late. Then I reply with the rundown, they don’t rely back or say it’s too much. I partly blame RentMen and RentMasseur: the same sites that are supposed to be supporting us, are also doing us no good and dirty. I have told them endlessly:

PLEASE ALLOW US TO CUSTOMIZE A LITTLE FORM WHEN CLIENTS CLICK OUR PHONE NUMBER INSTEAD OF, “PLEASE ASK FOR ME, SAY YOU FOUND ME ON RENTMEN.” 
 

This way, they have no excuse to not know our rate or whether we can host or not, availability etc. So many inquiries but not many bookings coming out of them. I don’t know how they manage to find the number without reading anything else? I don’t expect everyone to be an academy scholar reader: but I would hope most clients can read the first couple sentences of an before calling someone ESPECIALLY asking the same tired “what’s your rate” question. At least say something that is relevant in the ad to give the impression they’ve read it.

Regardless of what someone feels about how I do things, I DO KNOW what was happening when I wasn’t doing them…and meeting tons of reliable people wasn’t one of them.
 

But it’s sad that some people want to come on here and try to denigrate me and posters with similar concerns, just because it doesn’t fit into their bubbly “I’m doing so great in the business, everybody loves me ooo la la la. Don’t say anything about how you feel” narrative. Child, please. This is a business of reality. And don’t think I don’t appreciate real people like you who can come on here and be truthful about the things we’re having to deal with 🎤 

Edited December 13, 2024 by TallMuscl37

[+ Jamie21]

Yes $100 is too cheap. I simply set my rate where it should be for me (my value of my service) advertise it thus, and decline any requests for a lower rate. It’s fairly simple. Even if that means I get zero clients I’m not doing a massage for $100. In practice I get sufficient clients so there’s a market for me (most of them are regulars) which implies they get value from it. If I find I can no longer get clients I’m not reducing the rate, I’m leaving the business. 

[TallMuscl37]

11 minutes ago, Jamie21 said:

Yes $100 is too cheap. I simply set my rate where it should be for me (my value of my service) advertise it thus, and decline any requests for a lower rate. It’s fairly simple. Even if that means I get zero clients I’m not doing a massage for $100. In practice I get sufficient clients so there’s a market for me (most of them are regulars) which implies they get value from it. If I find I can no longer get clients I’m not reducing the rate, I’m leaving the business. 

$100 is an awful price, unless it’s just what’s left of what I deposit into the bank lol. But you’d be surprised. There’s cities in the USA, that’s what guys offer. Like I said earlier, I’ve worked tirelessly to move beyond that. I try to go more for longer bookings, but if I can’t for whatever reason: $200 is the bare minimum.

And that’s a good point you make, because I’m tired of people like @PhileasFogg saying stuff like, “well if you’re not busy, you need to take what you can get”. Fuck that. People’s logic sometimes 🤨 If anything, when things are slower I actually don’t want to do anything for cheap honestly. There’s cities I advertise in, that I won’t go unless I get booked for 2 hour or longer sessions. Anything less not worth it. 
 

When I’m busy off my feet, that’s when I might not mind doing massage for a lower price. Just because, it accentuates what I’ve already made. 

But I’m not going to waste gas, wear and tear and think: “I’ll book 5 guys for $100 each”. THAT, is insanity. Because those $100 guys won’t even appreciate that rate and will likely flake too. The less one charges, the less they respect. That’s a deposit  anyway, not a rate. 

Edited December 13, 2024 by TallMuscl37

[+ Jamie21]

7 minutes ago, TallMuscl37 said:

When I’m busy off my feet, that’s when I might not mind doing massage for a lower price.

Never ever do that. Never… because it sets an expectation. Do it once and you’ll end up doing it regularly as sure as night follows day. 

[Pd1_jap]

I love this thread. 

Gentlemen, my fellow hobbyists and appreciators of the male form,

Let's try and remember the golden rule.  If Daddy's credit card works ya betta be workin. 

In all seriousness, God bless y'all providers. You are the actual industry and the focus of a lot of psychological abuse. Our puritanical roots really rear their ugly faces when dealing with the sisterhood of the night. 

That being said, I've visited quite a few providers and some are worth their weight in gold. Others, are not worth leaving the house for. 

I think for a visit to go well you both have to be on the same wavelength. If I start contact on a down note then it sets a bad expectation for the encounter. 

🪙🪙

Tchüss 

[TallMuscl37]

5 minutes ago, Jamie21 said:

Never ever do that. Never… because it sets an expectation. Do it once and you’ll end up doing it regularly as sure as night follows day. 

Let me clarify: a lower price as in the lower price that I already offer as part of my tier level sessions. Not in the sense of: “I’ll lower the price” just because I’m asked to.

Any expectation set will be: this does not include everything…so don’t give me that, “my regular masseur massages me and fucks me for $120” nonsense (true stories).

[TallMuscl37]

46 minutes ago, Pd1_jap said:

In all seriousness, God bless y'all providers. You are the actual industry and the focus of a lot of psychological abuse. Our puritanical roots really rear their ugly faces when dealing with the sisterhood of the night. 

 

Amen 🇺🇸 

And I’ll add too: it can come even outside of the business. That’s why I don’t buy into people telling me to “leave the business” just because they don’t like topics I post. It’s deeper than just a small talk, break room talk (and I’ve known people come home everyday and talk to me about their coworkers, customers, bosses, etc. yet still work there)

Over the summer, I met with a guy: we went on 2 dates/fucked on a weekend. Both times I invited him up to the place I was bunking at: a friend’s office/studio since I was visiting from out of state. Great times. Well the next time I came to town, I ask if we could make arrangements to stay at his place, because my friend’s office studio was unavailable that week. You know what he says? “Oh I don’t feel comfortable with you spending the night over at my place”. 🤨  

I gave him a nice kiss off, and went on about my business. That’s why I’m so tired of phony people and why I much rather deal with clients. I’ve had clients with much bigger homes than these typical gay scene guys out here creeping and sleeping around. Clients have occasionally said: “here’s the key, make yourself comfortable”.

So no, I don’t have to leave the business. If someone can’t handle shop talk, there’s no obligation to participate. I talk about stuff because it’s not necessarily possible to discuss on ads or in every client situation. Why people want to come here and start making guesses about someone’s character, is senseless. I’m glad that I’ve found an enclave of sex workers away from this forum, who are more transparent and open to discussions without worrying about losing the limelight of potential clients.

AND SPEAKING of St. Louis, referring to another poster: the only person I’ve been able to rely on when I go there, happens to be a client friend I’ve known since 2020. All the other people outside of clients I’ve met there have been fake as hell, or they turn their nose up just because I’m not “Black enough” or “White enough” or soon as I reveal I’m in the industry, they turn their nose up and start whispering to their friends, before ghosting you for no reason. So I don’t need anyone telling me what is and isn’t a wasteland. 
 

I’m hoping to potentially move to Los Angeles next year. I’ve wasted half of my 30s living in areas that don’t really do me justice. If that falls thru, I’ll need a intervention 😭 

Edited December 13, 2024 by TallMuscl37

[+ Jamie21]

2 hours ago, TallMuscl37 said:

Let me clarify: a lower price as in the lower price that I already offer as part of my tier level sessions. Not in the sense of: “I’ll lower the price” just because I’m asked to.

Any expectation set will be: this does not include everything…so don’t give me that, “my regular masseur massages me and fucks me for $120” nonsense (true stories).

Well I’m glad you clarified because it wasn’t what you said originally. You implied you’d lower your normal rate if you were busy enough and the booking was additional.

The difficulty with offering a range of services at different price points is clients want the ‘large size serving’ whilst paying for the ‘medium size serving’ so to speak. I avoid offering a range of price points based on content, I simply base the price on duration. The price is set to include everything I’m comfortable offering. If someone wants just a therapeutic massage for example the price is the same as for sensual. It may mean I lose therapeutic only clients who want to pay less but oh well, so be it. It reduces the likelihood of someone booking therapeutic and then asking me to be naked and waving his hard on in my face asking me to finish him off! 

This business is all about discipline: having a clear defined business model that works for you and sticking to it.