Why is there a major aversion to "old guys" on here?

[+ KensingtonHomo]

15 minutes ago, pubic_assistance said:

Sorry. I find this statement ridiculous.

Even in remote countries that lack "capitalist media", older men are busy oggling young fresh faces (and asses).

That’s because you don’t understand sociology or the impact of mass media on sexual culture. Nor do you appreciate that most counties that lack capitalist media are sex segregated, marriages are arranged, etc. In fact, what constitutes attractiveness in those cultures is vastly different. 

Rather than putting your ignorance on display you could educate yourself. 

[pubic_assistance]

4 hours ago, KensingtonHomo said:

Rather than putting your ignorance on display you could educate yourself. 

I don't need ridiculous social justice theory to know what people like.

You keep telling yourself that it's "wrong" to find old ugly people repellant and the rest of us will go about our lives as normal people and hire young, fresh hotties.

[+ KensingtonHomo]

58 minutes ago, pubic_assistance said:

I don't need ridiculous social justice theory to know what people like.

You keep telling yourself that it's "wrong" to find old ugly people repellant and the rest of us will go about our lives as normal people and hire young, fresh hotties.

Archeology, anthropology, and sociology are not "social justice theory." You have little knowledge of cultures outside your own, virtually no historical knowledge, and cry "social justice warrior" when you cannot produce a rational argument. It's truly an Emperor's New Clothes situation. 

[pubic_assistance]

1 hour ago, KensingtonHomo said:

Archeology, anthropology, and sociology are not "social justice theory." You have little knowledge of cultures outside your own, virtually no historical knowledge, and cry "social justice warrior" when you cannot produce a rational argument. It's truly an Emperor's New Clothes situation. 

Honestly ..I just don't  care.

You'll have to drone-on to someone else who has an interest in this alternative universe theory.

[+ DrownedBoy]

19 hours ago, Your Man in Arlington said:

Anyone else here read Stars in my Pocket Like Grains of Sand?

Many years ago, when I read through Delany's SF work at university.

Of course, I liked the idea of hulking, muscular dumb guy being attracted to a short little smart guy. And the fact that the big guy just loves short guys...

[DWnyc]

On 5/20/2024 at 8:16 AM, Atyla said:

I look for providers who offer a satisfaction guarantee,

What is this? Never been offered one …

[+ DrownedBoy]

3 minutes ago, DWnyc said:

What is this? Never been offered one …

I had a rookie escort bodybuilder text something like, "I promise you you'll have a great time." However, that's a warranty that can't be exercised.

[OneTaoBoy]

On 5/19/2024 at 9:36 PM, APPLE1 said:

While never having children, I have seen my share raised by family, friends, and peers. I've witnessed children of the same generation behave very differently. I think @DWnyc and @DrownedBoy both hit the nail on the head.

Empathy is certainly the skill that allows people to be respectful and understanding of other's differences and sacrifices.

But lack of empathy is far from simply "generational" or a "symptom" of youth. Like most everything in life, empathy is learned skill. Children who are raised poorly are going to take most things for granted when they leave the home they were raised in. I assume it will take another 10 to 20 years for them to learn that skill. While children who are raised well have a good foundation for empathy, and they continue to further develop that skill for a long time.

This is true and well said. Empathy, in my experience, is not 'seeing inside' someone, it's not 'knowing something somehow'. It IS using your whole sensing self, it is offering to the other your sense of them and checking to see if it fits their sense. Lots of human ways to do that. It is always being open and willing to be corrected in the living presence of another, to be wrong, to learn about a separate conscious person. Empathy is not for the faint hearted, but it's what we have.

[+ Lucky]

I am going to be 77 in August, living here in the SOCAL desert, I find that just about every guy 18-30 hits on me.

Oh, wait. There are no guys under 60 here. I must be getting senile!

[+ m_writer]

I just had a discussion with a friend over this when I told him that I liked muscular older guys and daddies (and yes, I had maturedmuscle stay with me during the PS event in April so you can guess my type). He brought up something interesting.

He pointed out that muscle and strength are associated with youth and vitality which is usually associated with younger guys, so if I like only like older muscle bears/bodybuilders/muscle daddies like maturedmuscle and not all body types of old/older men such as fat, skinny, wrinkled, or obese, then I can't really say I like old men. He says then technically, I only like old men who have youthful qualities.

I disagreed on that, telling him that I usually only hired men around my age or older (so 40s or above) because I can find more subjects to talk and discuss over, and old guys can have muscle and bodybuilding is not solely a "young gay" sport.  But that got me thinking if he has a point because then if I only like muscle daddies and not all types of old guys, would that technically be an aversion?

[pubic_assistance]

14 hours ago, m_writer said:

if I only like muscle daddies and not all types of old guys, would that technically be an aversion?

There's a difference between sexual desire and repulsed aversion.

It's like with food. You may prefer beef over chicken. But you're repulsed by the thought of eating eel.

The narrative here is that some people like @KensingtonHomo claim that they will sleep with anything that moves and others are far more discerning because they are literally revolted by the thought of sleeping with anything but their type. In the case of this conversation, that's older men. 

I think when you are talking to a group of men who are tossing down hard-earned cash for the opportunity of a sexual encounter, the majority are seeking the companionship of the sort of young, fit, handsome men, they may not be able to attract on their own without the offer of payment. I'm sure plenty of these same men could attract men their own age if they tried. 

So the comparison of events is, do you PAY for the young, hot guy for an hour, or save your money and go with the old daddy, or is that completely unappealing ? MY guess is that if you're into old daddies, you aren't really driven to HIRE for company unless you're so unappealing yourself that you can't attract ANYONE without cash.

 

[marylander1940]

On 5/18/2024 at 11:42 AM, DrownedBoy said:

 

I could go into "grumpy old man" mode, and repeat everything about how younger providers tend to be entitled, arrogant, overpriced, and irresponsible, not to mention their inability to follow a schedule.

However, as an openly gay man, the biggest attitude factor is that gay youth nowadays have a lot more privileges, acceptance, and opportunities than I and other older gays did at that age. So I see a lot of them as selfish ingrates who don't recognize how much work and pain older gay men had to go through to create the society they enjoy now. And selfish, uneducated ingratitude will make me lose a hard-on faster than anything.

The same happens when it comes to racism, many folks need to be reminded things weren't as easy in the past and be grateful they were born in an era where their lifestyle won't stop them from being hired, sent to jail, etc. 

[marylander1940]

On 5/24/2024 at 3:12 PM, Lucky said:

I am going to be 77 in August, living here in the SOCAL desert, I find that just about every guy 18-30 hits on me.

Oh, wait. There are no guys under 60 here. I must be getting senile!

Sir, you live in God's waiting room!

[marylander1940]

14 minutes ago, pubic_assistance said:

There's a difference between sexual desire and repulsed aversion.

It's like with food. You may prefer beef over chicken. But you're repulsed by the thought of eating eel.

The narrative here is that some people like @KensingtonHomo claim that they will sleep with anything that moves and others are far more discerning because they are literally revolted by the thought of sleeping with anything but their type. In the case of this conversation, that's older men. 

I think when you are talking to a group of men who are tossing down hard-earned cash for the opportunity of a sexual encounter, the majority are seeking the companionship of the sort of young, fit, handsome men, they may not be able to attract on their own without the offer of payment. I'm sure plenty of these same men could attract men their own age if they tried. 

So the comparison of events is, do you PAY for the young, hot guy for an hour, or save your money and go with the old daddy, or is that completely unappealing ? MY guess is that if you're into old daddies, you aren't really driven to HIRE for company unless you're so unappealing yourself that you can't attract ANYONE without cash.

 

I would add another category closer to having sex with anybody available:

Good if you're drunk! 

[+ KensingtonHomo]

6 hours ago, pubic_assistance said:

The narrative here is that some people like @KensingtonHomo claim that they will sleep with anything that moves and others are far more discerning because they are literally revolted by the thought of sleeping with anything but their type. In the case of this conversation, that's older men. 

I think when you are talking to a group of men who are tossing down hard-earned cash for the opportunity of a sexual encounter, the majority are seeking the companionship of the sort of young, fit, handsome men, they may not be able to attract on their own without the offer of payment. I'm sure plenty of these same men could attract men their own age if they tried. 

So the comparison of events is, do you PAY for the young, hot guy for an hour, or save your money and go with the old daddy, or is that completely unappealing ? MY guess is that if you're into old daddies, you aren't really driven to HIRE for company unless you're so unappealing yourself that you can't attract ANYONE without cash.

The reality is that some people suffer from rampant internalized ageism and homophobia. @pubic_assistance relentlessly makes disparaging and even hateful statements not only about providers who fall outside of his incredibly narrow view of whom we should all "naturally" be attracted to, but he also - as he does here - treats those of us who hire escorts who are over 25 with more than 5% body fat as if we're insane. He does not recognize that sexual attraction is highly variable and subjective. And, of course, if someone hires an older escort or a bear type of guy, then it can only be because you are so grotesquely ugly that you can't even get undesirables to fuck you for free. 

I do not understand why @CoM Moderators continue to allow him to spew anti-fat, anti-femme, agist, and ableist crap on here. I can't imagine that the providers enjoy his constant yapping about how hideous they are. 

Worse, though he has zero relationship with the queer community, he opines on how we should live and who we should want to fuck. Maybe if he went to P-town or Fire Island or got on Scruff with his actual age, he'd see how easy it is for a conventionally attractive middle-aged man to attract younger ones. My husband and I have to bat twinks off like flies when we're out. 

[+ José Soplanucas]

1 hour ago, KensingtonHomo said:

The reality is that some people suffer from rampant internalized ageism and homophobia. @pubic_assistance relentlessly makes disparaging and even hateful statements not only about providers who fall outside of his incredibly narrow view of whom we should all "naturally" be attracted to, but he also - as he does here - treats those of us who hire escorts who are over 25 with more than 5% body fat as if we're insane. He does not recognize that sexual attraction is highly variable and subjective. And, of course, if someone hires an older escort or a bear type of guy, then it can only be because you are so grotesquely ugly that you can't even get undesirables to fuck you for free. 

I do not understand why @CoM Moderators continue to allow him to spew anti-fat, anti-femme, agist, and ableist crap on here. I can't imagine that the providers enjoy his constant yapping about how hideous they are. 

Worse, though he has zero relationship with the queer community, he opines on how we should live and who we should want to fuck. Maybe if he went to P-town or Fire Island or got on Scruff with his actual age, he'd see how easy it is for a conventionally attractive middle-aged man to attract younger ones. My husband and I have to bat twinks off like flies when we're out. 

I could not agree more with your statements about @pubic_assistance. And yet, I could not disagree more with your call to the moderators to silence him. 

We are what we are, and we all have the right to express ourselves, even when others may find our views offensive. 

[+ Charlie]

When I was a teenager, I was sexually attracted to men in their 30s and 40s; when I was that age, I was attracted to the same types; I am now 81, and I am still attracted to men in their 30s and 40s. I don't have an aversion to cute twinks or to wrinkled old men--I am just not sexually attracted to them.

[+ KensingtonHomo]

2 hours ago, José Soplanucas said:

I could not agree more with your statements about @pubic_assistance. And yet, I could not disagree more with your call to the moderators to silence him. 

We are what we are, and we all have the right to express ourselves, even when others may find our views offensive. 

To be clear, I’m not saying he should be banned. I’m saying he should be made to follow the forum rules, specifically 1, 4 and 5.. And if he posts hateful stuff it should be removed. 

I’ve been called on the carpet by moderators before, and I’m not as prolific or regularly hateful as him. 

[Danny-Darko]

1 hour ago, Charlie said:

When I was a teenager, I was sexually attracted to men in their 30s and 40s; when I was that age, I was attracted to the same types; I am now 81, and I am still attracted to men in their 30s and 40s. I don't have an aversion to cute twinks or to wrinkled old men--I am just not sexually attracted to them.

Exactly! We seem to have the same taste in men Charlie! I still like what I've always liked since I was old enough to realize what I liked.  

[pubic_assistance]

5 hours ago, KensingtonHomo said:

My husband and I have to bat twinks off like flies when we're out. 

[Danny-Darko]

1 hour ago, KensingtonHomo said:

To be clear, I’m not saying he should be banned. I’m saying he should be made to follow the forum rules, specifically 1, 4 and 5.. And if he posts hateful stuff it should be removed. 

I’ve been called on the carpet by moderators before, and I’m not as prolific or regularly hateful as him. 

He's said nothing hateful. The problem with these WOKE Cancel Culture and Social Justice Warriors is everything THEY don't agree with or like is "HATE" to them and needs to be silenced.

We are on page 4 now, and you seem to think that if you continue with your argument, you will convince those who don't agree with you that you are indeed right, so you can claim the moral superiority?! Can't you accept that others see life differently and are entitled to their opinions and tastes, likes and dislikes?! Many of us don't allow ourselves to be swayed by the status quo nor tow the current line the "Alphabet Squad" dictates to us all, assuming they speak for all of us and have the right to do so and claim to represent us ALL. And the irony you state that @pubic_assistancedoesn't have a place in the gay "community" when precisely your "community" has embraced absolutely everybody and anybody under the sun whether they have anything to do with homosexual or bisexual people! You're not convincing anybody with your arguments here. Give it up, or what you will manage to do is get the moderatos to close this thread because of your name calling and belligerent attitude! 

[+ glennnnn]

This probably belongs on a different thread. SORRY!

Is there a current category for, and acknowledgment of, gay daddies who prefer to hire companions who are also over 50, 60, or even (gasp.....I'm clutching my pearls) seventy? I am 80 yo although I'm told I look 70 or so. (5' 8", 160 pounds, 6 inch cock , and cum -filled balls) and I am looking forward with great anticipation to sucking, and fucking a gray- haired, wrinkled but amazingly sexy and handsome provider who admits to 69  this weekend.

He is smart,  interesting and HUNG!!  I do love to suck a semi in to stiffness. What care I how old he is or isn't? He is funny, considerate, experienced and dependable. 

 

There is plenty of sex after 60 without much of the hassle. Wake up guys and get yourself a granddaddy who knows his way around a man's body!

Hint: check out the senior talent on Rent Men and Rent Masseur in Palm Springs..

 

 

Edited May 29 by glennnnn
Misspelled words

[viewing ownly]

I don't have too much of a recollection of the old sitcom "Everybody Loves Raymond", but I do recall the father of the main character yelling "Holy Crap!" with distinction. I'll take a curtain bow for inadvertently creating not one but two threads that went well beyond their warrantee, the other being the circumcised Latino bottoms thread.

Kensington and Public, put that combative passion into a scorching meet-up with one another we can read about (that would be tongue in cheek code for kiss and make up), and let us all have a major aversion to this subject carrying on to a 6th page. 

[+ KensingtonHomo]

10 hours ago, Danny-Darko said:

He's said nothing hateful. The problem with these WOKE Cancel Culture and Social Justice Warriors is everything THEY don't agree with or like is "HATE" to them and needs to be silenced.

You sound like a Trump supporter. 

I don't care about "moral superiority." I care that people on here feel comfortable participating without providers or clients being constantly berated for their appearance, age or taste. That Pubic has the most basic desires is great. Happy for him. I encourage you to search and see if I've ever shamed him for who he hires. 

I'm not going to waste my time cataloging the constant nasty stuff he posts. 

[Danny-Darko]

3 hours ago, KensingtonHomo said:

You sound like a Trump supporter. 

I don't care about "moral superiority." I care that people on here feel comfortable participating without providers or clients being constantly berated for their appearance, age or taste. That Pubic has the most basic desires is great. Happy for him. I encourage you to search and see if I've ever shamed him for who he hires. 

I'm not going to waste my time cataloging the constant nasty stuff he posts.