Army doctor accused of sexual misconduct by at least 42 male patients

[marylander1940]

OP note: one more time! I wonder if women had been assaulted the system would have reacted as fast? 

Army doctor faces charges he sexually assaulted 41 patients

WWW.ARMYTIMES.COM

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An Army doctor faces arraignment over charges that he sexually assaulted 42 male patients he treated while working as an anesthesiologist.

 

[Marc in Calif]

Robert F. Capovilla, Stockin’s attorney, told Army Times in a statement that his client will plead not guilty to all charges and specifications in today’s hearing....

Capovilla added that “in today’s political culture” the media will condemn Stockin and render judgement before the judge or jury hear evidence....

The defense attorney is wrong. It's a matter of sexual abuse -- which is clearly wrong in every case where verified evidence is presented in the courtroom. There aare not two sides.

[Monarchy79]

2 hours ago, marylander1940 said:

OP note: one more time! I wonder if women had been assaulted the system would have reacted as fast? 

Army doctor faces charges he sexually assaulted 41 patients

WWW.ARMYTIMES.COM

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An Army doctor faces arraignment over charges that he sexually assaulted 42 male patients he treated while working as an anesthesiologist.

 

Well the likelihood of male victims coming out to allege sexual abuse is much lower than women. Then add the military component to it, and the probability further lowers. 

[Marc in Calif]

3 hours ago, marylander1940 said:

OP note: one more time! I wonder if women had been assaulted the system would have reacted as fast?

With women, the system would probably have been even slower. Remember the sexual abuse of women gymnasts at several schools and training centers?

[marylander1940]

1 hour ago, Monarchy79 said:

Well the likelihood of male victims coming out to allege sexual abuse is much lower than women. Then add the military component to it, and the probability further lowers. 

With women many would say "they had it coming", "cult of victimhood", etc 

13 minutes ago, Marc in Calif said:

With women, the system would probably have been even slower. Remember the sexual abuse of women gymnasts at several schools and training centers?

Precisely my point.

Thank you! 

And let's not forget about the cover up because "bros over hoes."

[Luv2play]

If the doctor committed these acts as alleged, he probably saw one too many “play doctor” porn flics which provide amusing scenarios involving gay doctors and their supposedly straight patients. 
Thing is, you are supposed to recognize this is a gay fantasy, not something to act on in real life. 

[Marc in Calif]

2 hours ago, Luv2play said:

If the doctor committed these acts as alleged, he probably saw one too many “play doctor” porn flics which provide amusing scenarios involving gay doctors and their supposedly straight patients.

But apparently he wasn't familiar with the case of the "play doctor" in Texas who was eventually murdered and set on fire by one of the patients he filmed. The fake doctor was Michael Castagne of Dallas.

[Monarchy79]

Given that this is a military medical professional, I wonder if there has been any assessment of why this predatory behavior seems to be to easy to ensnare victims? I have two theories:

1.) From basic training, soldiers are conditioned to follow orders (without question), from those who are in roles of authority. As doctors are considered to be in a role of medical authority, it could make sense to a solider to follow the instructions of a Doctor, even if he’s not comfortable with it, or even if it doesn’t make sense, even allowing him to be touched in ways that makes him uncomfortable. 
 

2.) The conditioning from training solders that strips their overall sense of privacy. They are trained to shower naked in front of each other, sleep  and change  clothes in open areas,  and even bathrooms have toilets with no partitions. Gaining this sense of ambivalence to nudity and lack of personal privacy could leave a solider to not think twice of stripping in front of his doctor, even when his purpose for the visit doesn’t logically  require it. 
 

It’s  almost as if these environments can make people very vulnerable to sexual predators. 

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

I wonder if he's in my network.  My medical co-pay is less than the cost for an escort to touch me.

[+ Tygerscent]

On 3/12/2024 at 12:06 AM, Monarchy79 said:

Given that this is a military medical professional, I wonder if there has been any assessment of why this predatory behavior seems to be to easy to ensnare victims? I have two theories:

1.) From basic training, soldiers are conditioned to follow orders (without question), from those who are in roles of authority. As doctors are considered to be in a role of medical authority, it could make sense to a solider to follow the instructions of a Doctor, even if he’s not comfortable with it, or even if it doesn’t make sense, even allowing him to be touched in ways that makes him uncomfortable. 
 

2.) The conditioning from training solders that strips their overall sense of privacy. They are trained to shower naked in front of each other, sleep  and change  clothes in open areas,  and even bathrooms have toilets with no partitions. Gaining this sense of ambivalence to nudity and lack of personal privacy could leave a solider to not think twice of stripping in front of his doctor, even when his purpose for the visit doesn’t logically  require it. 
 

It’s  almost as if these environments can make people very vulnerable to sexual predators. 

And then there’s the “bro code” mentality… and the possibility that come of them were okay with it at the time~ Males process sexuality differently than women at time~ there have been so many times that I’ve heard guys talk about having sex with somebody besides their partner and justify it by saying it wasn’t sex, because it was only a blowjob, or was only a hand job… it was sex with another guy and I with a woman and therefore doesn’t count to sex. Not throwing any judgment at all but, it’s definitely something I’ve heard from guys in the past~ I’m really not picking any sides here… I’m just adding an element to the conversation~ 

[pubic_assistance]

1 hour ago, Tygerscent said:

it was sex with another guy and (not) with a woman and therefore doesn’t count to sex.

I think it certainly counts as "sex" but I can share that in MY relationship sex with men is not considered "cheating".

My wife is fine with occasional hook ups with men. Particularly with paid company, but would draw the line if I were to be seeing other women. So yeah...it "doesn't count".

[+ Tygerscent]

7 hours ago, pubic_assistance said:

I think it certainly counts as "sex" but I can share that in MY relationship sex with men is not considered "cheating".

My wife is fine with occasional hook ups with men. Particularly with paid company, but would draw the line if I were to be seeing other women. So yeah...it "doesn't count".

Yes… I hear you~ When I talk to women about this very topic, they feel much more threatened. If they partner either male or female sleeps with another woman, because there’s more potential for emotional monogamy to be fractured. Breeches in Emotional monogamy seems to be more threatening than the those related to physical monogamy. Financial monogamy can also be pretty threatening to sum in a relationship… Emotional monogamy seems to be the greatest concern. What’s your perspective?

[+ Tygerscent]

8 hours ago, pubic_assistance said:

I think it certainly counts as "sex" but I can share that in MY relationship sex with men is not considered "cheating".

My wife is fine with occasional hook ups with men. Particularly with paid company, but would draw the line if I were to be seeing other women. So yeah...it "doesn't count".

Also, it’s not really cheating when partners discussed, their extra marital activities with each other. My observation is that when couples, regardless of how the gender pairing falls within them, maintain a greater level of trust when the communication is open between all partners. It’s “agreements” arrangements are modified without committal, communication or broken in a way that touches on personal insecurities that can bring about lack of trust~   
Then it seems to fall more into the category of cheating. Variable definitions for each individual and in each partnered relationship even when it’s a triad quad or a communal family type situation.  
I have also found that the structure and agreements between partners in a relationship when there are more than two people involved are not always the same for everybody in the group. Each person provides their unique contribution to the group of a whole and then to each other. So, Physical monogamy might be more important to one individual but emotional monogamy may be important to what are more of the other individuals and financial or psychological monogamy might be a concern of somebody else… What is important, also changes over time and across circumstances, as people grow evolve. 
 So, what is felt or defined as cheating between two people or a group of people isn’t necessarily the same across individuals. What’s important to them at any given time is a fluctuating variable. So, Being in touch with oneself, exercising self honesty and honesty with each other can be helpful, navigating through extramarital, emotional, psychological, financial, physical  and spiritual Situations/circumstances

Edited March 18 by Tygerscent

[Anthony]

I have a hard time believing they lived with this for years and waited for this moment to take action. These are beefy men who are over 18 years old who could've stood up and done something at the time. Not vulnerable women or children. I've learned there's a lot of hazing in the military, whether that's sexual or not. After learning about what goes on in the military, specifically for men, there's a lot that's never discussed and kept a secret. What happened to "Don't ask don't tell"? I've might have watched too much Military Classified and Active Duty 

[pubic_assistance]

9 minutes ago, Anthony said:

I have a hard time believing they lived with this for years and waited for this moment to take action.

Same with the "Me-too" movement.

Makes no sense why you'd wait 20 years to bring sexual misconduct to light. But I would point out that most Americans have a strange relationship with their seuxal selves and SHAME is a big factor in why people refuse to discuss it.

[Monarchy79]

18 hours ago, Tygerscent said:

And then there’s the “bro code” mentality… and the possibility that come of them were okay with it at the time~ Males process sexuality differently than women at time~ there have been so many times that I’ve heard guys talk about having sex with somebody besides their partner and justify it by saying it wasn’t sex, because it was only a blowjob, or was only a hand job… it was sex with another guy and I with a woman and therefore doesn’t count to sex. Not throwing any judgment at all but, it’s definitely something I’ve heard from guys in the past~ I’m really not picking any sides here… I’m just adding an element to the conversation~ 

I’m in full agreement with you. 
And with the clips you posted, it reminds me of this: most of the sexually “questionable” things I’ve had happen to me in my life has always been in  male concentrated environments (sports, locker rooms, even hanging out and getting a little buzzed) with “straight” men. 

 

 

[Anthony]

9 hours ago, pubic_assistance said:

Same with the "Me-too" movement.

Makes no sense why you'd wait 20 years to bring sexual misconduct to light. But I would point out that most Americans have a strange relationship with their seuxal selves and SHAME is a big factor in why people refuse to discuss it.

"Me-too" explicitly focused on sexual misconduct that women dealt with. Totally different since this is specifically male on male sexual misconduct. 

[+ Tygerscent]

1 hour ago, Anthony said:

"Me-too" explicitly focused on sexual misconduct that women dealt with. Totally different since this is specifically male on male sexual misconduct. 

That sexual shame seems to be so prevalent and such a powerful cultural aspect. Two reasons come to mind but, I will let people draw their own conclusions~ 

11 hours ago, pubic_assistance said:

Same with the "Me-too" movement.

Makes no sense why you'd wait 20 years to bring sexual misconduct to light. But I would point out that most Americans have a strange relationship with their seuxal selves and SHAME is a big factor in why people refuse to discuss it.

[+ Tygerscent]

Not downplaying the very real sexual harassment/abuse situations that can happen to males but, there’s also a pretty strong sense of males being sexual and wanting/seeking/imitiating sex… One might imagine that if the “MeToo” movement was a guy movement, it would look like these gifs below…  
 There’s a lot of cultural and biological pressure to be sexual~ There is a lot of stigma if one is not or expresses their sexuality in a nonconformist/nonconventional way~  Abuse takes on many different faces with many different expressions~ Power exchange may or may not be a common theme but, I postulate~ 
 Objectively look at how many people loved the movie “Call me by your name”, which, if you look is really about this older guy taking completed advantage of a very inexperienced, younger male unsure about his personal and sexual identity… The older male initiates this lad into something he really doesn’t have the social, cultural or personal sophistication to understand. At the end of the movie, this kid is left in an empty nest on the receiving end of a tele, broken hearted while the initiator goes off and marries some other interest he has cultivated in his sexual garden elsewhere and without a second thought~
  it’s amazing to me how many people loved this movie but, the reality of that movie is it’s based on an abusive scenario navigated by manipulation and opportunity and using age and inexperience as a means to an end, (literally an end): Emotional and psychological manipulation for the manipulator’s personal gratification takes a front seat. The adult is so successful at it, there almost seems to be consensual agreement but, this kid really doesn’t have the experience to navigate through that decision and understand what he is being mutual about. In the end he’s left bewildered and lost. How is that hot and healthy? (For many: it was viewed as both~).  
 It’s just a question I have in my own mind. I know many people view this movie very differently and many loved it… To me, it seems to be more of a “taking of age” than a “coming of age” message/movie/experience~ …but, it also raises a point… What is acceptable “abuse” and what is “unacceptable abuse”?   How does one clearly define abuse and advocate against it~?
 I have dated/known/Love(d) victims of sexual, emotional, physical, psychological, spiritual and/or gender abuse: both males and females~ I don’t condone the abuses at all.  
 
 
 

[pubic_assistance]

3 hours ago, Tygerscent said:

To me, it seems to be more of a “taking of age” than a “coming of age”

Very interesting perspective.

Although I didn't get this impression from the movie myself, I see how it could be perceived as such  from another vantage point.

Although I would point out that the father did frame the tryst as a gift not a theft.

[+ Tygerscent]

On 3/19/2024 at 7:07 AM, pubic_assistance said:

Very interesting perspective.

Although I didn't get this impression from the movie myself, I see how it could be perceived as such  from another vantage point.

Although I would point out that the father did frame the tryst as a gift not a theft.

Well… the father shifted the focus from the boy’s circumstances to his own~ Sort of a distraction point from the reality of the situation~
 ie. He justifies what happened by basically outing himself and saying, if things had been different in his life maybe he would’ve been a poofter instead of a breeder~ Suggesting that it’s OK because the guy was a hottie just seems too minimize the reality of the circumstances. None of the messages in that story seem particularly healthy simply because there was so little emotional and psychological accountability among and between the characters. There was some justification, but, perhaps tainted by distractions like hyper-eroticism and “shock value” themes~    
 My POV comes from having known and dated both men and women who in their youth were physically, emotionally, psychologically raped/abused~ Those situations can leave very real scars~ 
 You who have been in those circumstances, have their own two contend with in terms of self acceptance, and admission or confession/sharing with others outside of their situation… Older adults who are subjected to that have different obstacles, including a sense that being adult means dealing with problems on your own, gender expectations from your peers and adults around you, cultural aspects, religious foundations, and or political foundations…   Seniors, disabled individuals contend with not only vulnerability, but, actual ability to confront the authorities that manage and navigate their lives. 

Edited March 20 by Tygerscent

[pubic_assistance]

2 hours ago, Tygerscent said:

Suggesting that it’s OK because the guy was a hottie just seems too minimize the reality of the circumstances.

Hmm. So you saw this as "rape" and i saw two young men who's friendship grew into both emotional and physical bonds during a summer romance.

That's very interesting to me considering I have personally been raped twice when i was a young man...I didn't view this film to be the least bit rapey. I found it quite romantic...and like the father pondered what might my life had been if all my circumstances had lead me down another road..

[marylander1940]

On 3/18/2024 at 5:00 PM, pubic_assistance said:

Same with the "Me-too" movement.

Makes no sense why you'd wait 20 years to bring sexual misconduct to light. But I would point out that most Americans have a strange relationship with their seuxal selves and SHAME is a big factor in why people refuse to discuss it.

Or in this case they talked to others to make sure they're not alone.

On 3/18/2024 at 4:48 PM, Anthony said:

I have a hard time believing they lived with this for years and waited for this moment to take action. These are beefy men who are over 18 years old who could've stood up and done something at the time. Not vulnerable women or children. I've learned there's a lot of hazing in the military, whether that's sexual or not. After learning about what goes on in the military, specifically for men, there's a lot that's never discussed and kept a secret. What happened to "Don't ask don't tell"? I've might have watched too much Military Classified and Active Duty 

I don't know how I would have reacted to someone touching me inappropriately or whatever happened in these cases. 

We have several frequent posters who were "raped by a masseur" and simply didn't react at all at the moment. 

[+ Tygerscent]

On 3/20/2024 at 8:09 PM, marylander1940 said:

Or in this case they talked to others to make sure they're not alone.

I don't know how I would have reacted to someone touching me inappropriately or whatever happened in these cases. 

We have several frequent posters who were "raped by a masseur" and simply didn't react at all at the moment. 

Right… there is some bit of “processing” time that comes into play~ 

[+ Tygerscent]

On 3/20/2024 at 3:51 PM, pubic_assistance said:

Hmm. So you saw this as "rape" and i saw two young men who's friendship grew into both emotional and physical bonds during a summer romance.

That's very interesting to me considering I have personally been raped twice when i was a young man...I didn't view this film to be the least bit rapey. I found it quite romantic...and like the father pondered what might my life had been if all my circumstances had lead me down another road..

I saw an experienced older individual taking intentional and premeditated undue advantage of a younger, vulnerable, inexperienced individual who was sorting thru feelings and emotions he was unfamiliar with.