+ Tygerscent Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 On 3/20/2024 at 3:51 PM, pubic_assistance said: Hmm. So you saw this as "rape" and i saw two young men who's friendship grew into both emotional and physical bonds during a summer romance. That's very interesting to me considering I have personally been raped twice when i was a young man...I didn't view this film to be the least bit rapey. I found it quite romantic...and like the father pondered what might my life had been if all my circumstances had lead me down another road.. I saw it as manipulation… pubic_assistance 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pubic_assistance Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 (edited) 20 hours ago, Tygerscent said: I saw an experienced older individual taking intentional and premeditated undue advantage of a younger, vulnerable, inexperienced individual who was sorting thru feelings and emotions he was unfamiliar with. I saw an experienced older man sharing his experience with a younger individual who had (apparently) never been with a man before...or (apparently) someone who was emotionally mature. I should point out my first sexual experience (full on sex) was with someone who was 17 when I was 14 (a rather significant difference at that stage) I considered myself extremely lucky to have learned about sexuality from a more experienced and mature woman. Does it become "rape" only because the person is male instead of female ? 🤔 Edited March 23 by pubic_assistance spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ APPLE1 Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 34 minutes ago, marylander1940 said: I don't think there's any legal difference based on gender There isn't, based upon the LAW. However, I think it's very important to note that criminal prosecution/persecution takes a law and a District Attorney willing to act or ignore. Without Romeo and Juliet laws in place, even to this day in many jurisdictions, it's amazing how a D.A.'s attitude and public outcry brings about prosecution of some sexual relationships of minors and not others. Frequently older boys having sex with younger girls is pursued criminally. Yet, when we reverse their ages, it's all just fine. I don't find it hard to imagine that in MANY PLACES even a 17 year old having sex with his 16 year boyfriend would be prosecuted. Anthony and pubic_assistance 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monarchy79 Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 12 hours ago, pubic_assistance said: I should point out my first sexual experience (full on sex) was with someone who was 17 when I was 14 (a rather significant difference at that stage) I considered myself extremely lucky to have learned about sexuality from a more experienced and mature woman. Does it become "rape" only because the person is male instead of female ? 🤔 I’m glad you made this point. My first sexual experience with a man was about 17 as well… and the man was 30. We both knew he could get in trouble and (from looking back at the entire scenario of how he even met me) one could say he was a bit “predatory”. However, I was a willing participant and really wanted that experience, and it was one of the best sexual experiences I ever had. pubic_assistance, + Vegas_Millennial and thomas 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ Tygerscent Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 17 hours ago, pubic_assistance said: I saw an experienced older man sharing his experience with a younger individual who had (apparently) never been with a man before...or (apparently) someone who was emotionally mature. I should point out my first sexual experience (full on sex) was with someone who was 17 when I was 14 (a rather significant difference at that stage) I considered myself extremely lucky to have learned about sexuality from a more experienced and mature woman. Does it become "rape" only because the person is male instead of female ? 🤔 I think maybe I’m just wondering what’s the ages are of the two characters in call me by your name? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pubic_assistance Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 4 hours ago, Tygerscent said: I think maybe I’m just wondering what’s the ages are of the two characters in call me by your name? Elio is 17 and Oliver 24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ APPLE1 Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 I think a significant factor in Call Me By Your Name is the issue of "first" love for the boy. It's often said that your first love is the strongest, the most perfect, the one you never forget, etc. In some respects, I think it holds very true. Possibly even more so when you have an "alternate" sexuality, and you stumble into am epiphany that someone like you is attracted to you. Identifying when someone is ready to begin having sex, and who they should start that journey with, is a very complex question with no bright line rules. It's not even easy for all adults. I can't be the only one who has hooked up with a guy(s), similar in age to myself, only to have them horrified and freak out immediately once the deed was completed. I'm curious to hear thoughts on My Best Friend. I see it as a very similar plot, minus the age difference. Boy meets more EXPERIENCED/WORLDLY BOY. Boy's attraction to BOY is awakened. Short relationship ensues. BOY leaves. Boy is devastated (link to more detailed movie synopsis below). I feel like the only significant difference between these 2 movies is the age difference between the lovers. And I certainly don't have the answers figured out, but I feel like the definite questions are: 1) is it age? 2) is it experience? 3) a bit of both? 4) how much difference is too much? https://tigermedianet.com/?p=67848 pubic_assistance 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marylander1940 Posted March 24 Author Share Posted March 24 On 3/2/2024 at 7:14 PM, Luv2play said: If the doctor committed these acts as alleged, he probably saw one too many “play doctor” porn flics which provide amusing scenarios involving gay doctors and their supposedly straight patients. Thing is, you are supposed to recognize this is a gay fantasy, not something to act on in real life. Maybe he's just a pervert who took advantage of his power over others. Just another loser! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 On 3/20/2024 at 9:09 PM, marylander1940 said: Or in this case they talked to others to make sure they're not alone. I don't know how I would have reacted to someone touching me inappropriately or whatever happened in these cases. We have several frequent posters who were "raped by a masseur" and simply didn't react at all at the moment. I never heard about any clients who were raped by a masseur before. If you can share those stories, I would love to look into them. That's a little bit more complicated if one paid someone to touch them and then decided they go to far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marylander1940 Posted March 30 Author Share Posted March 30 (edited) 10 hours ago, Anthony said: I never heard about any clients who were raped by a masseur before. If you can share those stories, I would love to look into them. That's a little bit more complicated if one paid someone to touch them and then decided they go to far. Plenty of guys on here have posted about it. I'm sure to some it would be a fetish because they get an escort for the price of a masseur. I just sent you an IM with the most recent recollection of a client raped by a masseur. Edited March 30 by marylander1940 Anthony 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ Vegas_Millennial Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 On 3/29/2024 at 10:13 PM, Anthony said: I never heard about any clients who were raped by a masseur before. If you can share those stories, I would love to look into them. That's a little bit more complicated if one paid someone to touch them and then decided they go to far. A good friend of mine is an escort, massuer, and cosmetologist. He was taken to court on claims he raped his client. It was a very bad client. He settled on a defense of Prostitution, to which he was charged but was given no penalty. Because of the record of the prostitution charge, it has affected his ability to obtain U.S. citizenship. He now keeps a camera rolling in plain view while he's performing his cosmetology services for proof that the clients start the touching and caressing first. Anthony, BSR and marylander1940 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marylander1940 Posted April 1 Author Share Posted April 1 7 hours ago, Vegas_Millennial said: A good friend of mine is an escort, massuer, and cosmetologist. He was taken to court on claims he raped his client. It was a very bad client. He settled on a defense of Prostitution, to which he was charged but was given no penalty. Because of the record of the prostitution charge, it has affected his ability to obtain U.S. citizenship. He now keeps a camera rolling in plain view while he's performing his cosmetology services for proof that the clients start the touching and caressing first. Do his clients of all type know he's filming them? Isn't that illegal? how come he wasn't automatically deported if he's not a citizen and for the record I trust your assessment about him being innocent. Anthony 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ Vegas_Millennial Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 (edited) 1 hour ago, marylander1940 said: how come he wasn't automatically deported Ha 😆. Look at the border. They're not deporting anyone right now. My friend has been in this country 25 years. He already had his asylum hearing and was denied because of his prostitution charge. They are not sending him away. 1 hour ago, marylander1940 said: Do his clients of all type know he's filming them? How many barber shops, salons, banks, have cameras? All of them. How many of them get your permission before you enter? None of them. The camera is out in the open where he gives grooming services. There is no expectation of privacy. Edited April 1 by Vegas_Millennial marylander1940 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marylander1940 Posted April 1 Author Share Posted April 1 2 minutes ago, Vegas_Millennial said: Ha 😆. Look at the border. They're not deporting anyone right now. How many barber shops, salons, banks, have cameras? All of them. How many of them get your permission before you enter? None of them. The camera is out in the open where he gives grooming services. There is no expectation of privacy. they're asylum seeker waiting for their case to be heard in case you missed that. He does legitimate massage.... not in private with HE, got it. + Vegas_Millennial 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 9 hours ago, Vegas_Millennial said: A good friend of mine is an escort, massuer, and cosmetologist. He was taken to court on claims he raped his client. It was a very bad client. He settled on a defense of Prostitution, to which he was charged but was given no penalty. Because of the record of the prostitution charge, it has affected his ability to obtain U.S. citizenship. He now keeps a camera rolling in plain view while he's performing his cosmetology services for proof that the clients start the touching and caressing first. I'm sorry but what cosmetology services does he provide? Is he a licensed cosmetologist and massuer? That's honestly really evil to accuse an escort of rape when you pay them for a specific service. Was the client pissed off because he didn't get what he wanted? I think if this behavior continues, we will soon need a document with signatures from both parties about what services they will perform before someone is accused of "rape" and possibly even notarized as well + Vegas_Millennial 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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