travel dates - How do you interpret them?

[viewing ownly]

Whenever I look and find someone that interests me is in town visiting, almost always on the dates that are listed, I presume the first day listed is most likely only evening availability, and the last day listed is morning only. Is this an accurate way to make this presumption? Real pros IMO come into town the day prior to their listed days, and leave town after the last day listed as being available, but seemingly hardly anyone does this.

It's just puzzling when I reach out, get no response when supposedly they're in my area, only to type to me after their not in town anymore that they "saw the sights" and didn't really have time to see any clients. Um, then why even let everybody know that you're traveling then?

[+ Kman]

I think the best way to navigate this is to just ask what their availability is like when they are in town.  
 

Some just post dates on a particular city just to see if there is any interest and if there is none or very little they may not even bother coming.  Also some are flying stand-by and aren’t certain of which city they will end up in.  Additionally the escorts and masseurs have lives and friends and family and that might be the main reason they are traveling somewhere and if they get a few clients great, but it might not always be the goal.

[Rudynate]

Right - nobody knows better than they do when they are available

[+ ButchAtl]

I agree its difficult to figure out, so I've come to the conclusion, you just have to ask the provider!   

[jeezifonly]

Travel is an aspirational activity. Circumstances change, and so do dates and locations, often with good cause. Hiring a non-local provider is always a toss of the coin. 

[TorontoDrew]

My luck with traveling providers recently is terrible.  They either don't come or not on the advertised dates.  I wouldn't mind but they don't update me with a change in plans.

[marylander1940]

22 hours ago, viewing ownly said:

Whenever I look and find someone that interests me is in town visiting, almost always on the dates that are listed, I presume the first day listed is most likely only evening availability, and the last day listed is morning only. Is this an accurate way to make this presumption? Real pros IMO come into town the day prior to their listed days, and leave town after the last day listed as being available, but seemingly hardly anyone does this.

It's just puzzling when I reach out, get no response when supposedly they're in my area, only to type to me after their not in town anymore that they "saw the sights" and didn't really have time to see any clients. Um, then why even let everybody know that you're traveling then?

well... depends... 

Any escort can fly to the West coast from here and get there by noon or even earlier if he's in Washington, NY, Miami, Chicago, etc. but an escort flying from CA, WA, or OR unless he flies overnight he can't make it to the East coast before noon.

Many escorts if they have a good membership at a hotel chain stay till 4 PM to maximize the potential of seeing more clients in their last day.

As valid as your question is I wouldn't assume or overthink, I would just ask when he is available. 

[marylander1940]

3 hours ago, jeezifonly said:

Travel is an aspirational activity. Circumstances change, and so do dates and locations, often with good cause. Hiring a non-local provider is always a toss of the coin. 

 

3 hours ago, TorontoDrew said:

My luck with traveling providers recently is terrible.  They either don't come or not on the advertised dates.  I wouldn't mind but they don't update me with a change in plans.

The flexibility offered nowadays by all major airlines has been a game changer for escorts and all other business travelers. If there's not enough interest to fly to a certain city, they can simply cancel the flight and keep the money as a voucher to be used within a year. 

 

[Simon Suraci]

I list the evening I am arriving and the last night I am there. The morning of departure I never list that day as available.

Sometimes I list the first morning (after arrival the afternoon/evening before), and list the last night of my stay. That gives me a full day between destinations to travel during the day and then rest for an evening before seeing clients the following morning.

Since I often post travel weeks ahead, my schedule is a patchwork of about 50% booked 50% free by the time I get there. Then everyone comes out of the woodwork to text me and I give them a copy-paste of times still available on each day that I am there. I update that list constantly, sometimes multiple times an hour. Last minute clients pick from whatever is left, take it or leave it, and it usually fills up same day. An hour here, and hour and a half there. It mostly fills up because so many people want to text me same day last minute. If it won’t work for one, it will for another.

For clients with very limited windows of availability, please book ahead. That gives you the best chance of the time you need. Texting a traveling masseur same day last minute is a recipe for disappointment. His day is going to be full with clients so he may not even be able to respond for a while until he finishes with a client, and only then for 15-30 mins before the next client shows up. Not much time.

Best to just ask the masseur times of availability during his stay. Even if he is physically in your city on a given listed day, that doesn’t mean he is available at any time on that day. It could be partially or fully booked already. You never know, so ask directly.

[Moke]

It is frustrating how many times I contact someone listed to be in my city through, for example, the 9th to inquire about an appointment on the 9th, just to be told— oh I can’t see you on the 9th, I’m flying out of town at noon!  Happens ALL THE TIME. 

[viewing ownly]

I don't have an issue with that, having seen someone as their only morning client before they departed. He was ready, and stupendous (and starving, but he feasted on me). I can't imagine how long these escorts go to fit meals in-between fitting in units of pleasure.

[BuffaloKyle]

I've seen providers list the last day both ways, as in the last night they are in town and the day they are leaving. Just gotta ask! It helps too when they have multiple trips so I can see sometimes off that. For instance I've seen both:

Dec. 11 - 12: Pittsburgh

Dec. 12 - 13: Buffalo

Dec. 13 - 14: Toronto

-and-

Dec. 10 - 11: Pittsburgh

Dec. 12 - 13: Buffalo

Dec. 14 - 15: Toronto

So the first chart I know they are really only available in Buffalo the evening of the 12th and in in the second chart they are available both the evening of the 12th and all day the 13th.

[dbar123]

I view future travel dates as just market research. It’s not real until they actually show up in your city

[Guest]

6 hours ago, dbar123 said:

I view future travel dates as just market research. It’s not real until they actually show up in your city

Not always... in fact with me, it's almost never.  I always post  my travel dates / destination 2 weeks prior to my arriving... 1. It allows people to plan and 2. It allows me to fill my dance card before I even arrive. What is real is people inquiring, them telling me they'll reach out when I'm there and me having to tell them I simply don't have any availability left. When traveling, people I know and have seen before have priority so there's almost limited availability to begin with.  When possible I think it's always best book in advance. 

[SouthOfTheBorder]

29 minutes ago, Vin_Marco said:

 I always post  my travel dates / destination 2 weeks prior to my arriving... 1. It allows people to plan and 2. It allows me to fill my dance card before I even arrive.

this makes sense & is professional - but, I think you and a couple of others here are the exceptions. For known providers who are well-reviewed, travel schedules are just fine.  I can see the upside when there is an established client base in certain cities that make the travel worthwhile/profitable.

For the vast majority of providers with travel schedules- I wouldn’t even consider reaching out because they tend to be fishing in the markets, the trips don’t happen, no courtesy to respond and/or the scheduling is too tight.  Zero interest in playing that game. 

[Simon Suraci]

4 hours ago, Vin_Marco said:

What is real is people inquiring, them telling me they'll reach out when I'm there and me having to tell them I simply don't have any availability left.

I’m a lot like Danny in my approach. I actually go to where I say I am going. My scouting trips are not just virtual. I go to a city to see what it’s like. Sometimes it’s better, sometimes just ok. I haven’t had a bad trip so far, and I attribute that to research on the places I go - plus a bit of luck. Then of course there are tried and true destinations I know I will be busy and have repeat business.

So many clients reach out when I post travel and then want to wait to book me until I am physically there…but by then it’s too late. I may have space available in my schedule, but it’s not on the exact days and times the client wants and often they can’t make it work.

Had the client booked ahead when he first contacted me two weeks prior, he could have almost any time he wanted.

My days tend to fill up the day-of with whatever availability I have left going to last minute inquiries.

Masseur schedules differ from escort schedules in that we can take more clients in a day. I regularly take six/day when I travel. Escort clients I would only be able to take 1-2 per day. Usually just one. Consider that limiting factor when you book an escort. The one or two spots he has on the day you want may already be full by the time he arrives.

[dbar123]

Frankly, I’d rather see a popular provider in their home city where their every minute is not so tightly scheduled. Seeing busy providers somehow doesn’t sound like it would be as much fun

[ICTJOCK]

I know that I tend to get "indications of interest"  if I happen to be scheduled in a planned city.    Most of the time it works well,  but I have had occasions where I had a conflict or it just didn't work well.   I had to learn the value of adequate planning in advance.     In this case the provider may not have had bookings,   bookings that he wanted to explore or simply opted not to go to the city.    Part of being a great provider is being a good businessman.   Sometimes the latter is lacking.

[MikePDNA51]

Interpret travel destinations by looking at date provider will be in city, those are the dates he will be in city. RentMasseur and RentMen are good for travel in the United States. Europe use HUNQZ or Jock2Go.  Europe has RentMasseur and RentMen but neither most popular.  When I traveled to Amsterdam guys expressed interest but they flaked when I got there.  There were other guys who booked me the hour, or couple hours before, none flaked.  

 

Asia is different than Europe and North America.  I do not have Asia completely figured but should have system in place for Asia travel by end of 2024.  

[Simon Suraci]

On 12/23/2023 at 8:50 AM, dbar123 said:

Frankly, I’d rather see a popular provider in their home city where their every minute is not so tightly scheduled. Seeing busy providers somehow doesn’t sound like it would be as much fun

I hear you there, I agree. However, clients traveling cities, much less states, away to see a guy they like is a big ask. That’s why so many working guys travel all over the country.

Clients who can’t or won’t readily travel outside their area jump at the opportunity to hire when someone who interests them visits. This is especially true for underserved markets.

[Jarrod_Uncut]

On 12/12/2023 at 2:55 PM, jeezifonly said:

Travel is an aspirational activity. Circumstances change, and so do dates and locations, often with good cause. Hiring a non-local provider is always a toss of the coin. 

Right 

On 12/12/2023 at 2:57 PM, TorontoDrew said:

My luck with traveling providers recently is terrible.  They either don't come or not on the advertised dates.  I wouldn't mind but they don't update me with a change in plans.

That sucks…

On 12/12/2023 at 6:44 PM, marylander1940 said:

Many escorts if they have a good membership at a hotel chain stay till 4 PM to maximize the potential of seeing more clients in their last day.

Hmm, I’m finding this even with Diamond membership has gotten harder to come by. Lot of times, that 4 pm checkout tends to be reserved by availability only. I honestly can’t remember when the last time I was able to stay at a hotel past 1 pm, maybe 2 without having to book a 2nd night. It’s definitely a limitation having to checkout at noon though, and some chains have even been pushing it to 11.
 

One lady really pushed my buttons last week: I had a bad bout of hiccups and was trying to quell it. She was knocking on the door 15 minutes past 12, telling me I need to pack up my stuff and get going as it was past checkout and the housekeeper was apparently waiting outside of my room for me to leave. And I’m a Diamond member with this chain, and had booked the most expensive room in the hotel (living room/jacuzzi). As I was leaving, I checked her in a major way (normally I would complain to the 1-800 number, but this chick deserved a personal message from me lol). That was so unprofessional, hotel staff shouldn’t talk to an elite member that way. Normally we get 1 p.m. checkout automatically and usually the front desk calls, not show up and knock on the door arguing with guests.

Many places seem to always have the excuse of having 50 rooms to clean and only 4 housekeepers. Partly why I carry extra disinfectant when I travel lol.
 

On 12/13/2023 at 1:13 AM, Moke said:

It is frustrating how many times I contact someone listed to be in my city through, for example, the 9th to inquire about an appointment on the 9th, just to be told— oh I can’t see you on the 9th, I’m flying out of town at noon!  Happens ALL THE TIME. 

Yeah generally if the last day is on the 9th: it could mean the person is checking out and can only meet until noon. But like @Simon Suraci said, sometimes it’s better to let that last day be your last FULL day, not the day you’re driving/flying out. However…I’ve been open to catch morning bookings before checking out, on many occasions. 

On 12/22/2023 at 10:57 PM, dbar123 said:

I view future travel dates as just market research. It’s not real until they actually show up in your city

This is candid, but true.

I’ll admit: the “travel feature” is a complicated thing to navigate. The way it works: a provider can only advertise a city with NO DATES if it’s within 250 miles of whatever they set their current GPS/home location to (and home does not always mean my “home” as RentM often defaults). Home usually means my current location. So, if I’m in Kansas City: I can advertise in a number of cities within 250 miles away without dates. But I can’t advertise in San Diego unless I put travel dates, even if I’m just wanting to pre-advertise before I go and haven’t confirmed when I’m going.
 

It’s reasons like that: sometimes I’ll just post in a city I plan to travel to: and just take my number down. People who book in advance are usually willing to email or go to my site. But the texts round the clock from people 1,500 miles away…makes you feel like you’re missing out.

I had to contend with this earlier this month, when I was planning to visit New York. I was advertising ahead of time, but mainly to chat and get a feel for the area before arriving. However, I had to place travel dates up before I really knew what was going on. Then some things came up and I got detoured. So I had to post pone.

However I’m starting to think the best way to avoid the riff raff: only advertise in the city I am in, nearby and the very NEXT city I’m going to. That way I avoid advertising dates prematurely and having to make changes along the way (I don’t do air travel so my schedule is much more flexible when driving).

I had that issue last year, when I was trying to plan a drive from Kansas City to Seattle. People were contacting me a lot in the 2nd city, before I had even gotten to the first city. But then when I finally got to 2nd, a few people had to drop out or weren’t available, so all that advanced advertising wasn’t as effective, because most of the guys I met were same day visits.

I wish there was a way to come up with a new method of advertising travels, without relying on travel dates. Of course, I’ve followed some guys ads: I would see one guy move his ad along a route I was familiar with: but absolutely no travel dates or “nearby cities”. It’s almost like using the Grindr/hookup app method of traveling: only posting your ad wherever you are. Which works for hookup apps because it’s free, but I just don’t find it works as well for business. I rarely ever have success just showing up in a city without any advertising in advance. I’m more with @Vin_Marco on advertising like two weeks in advance…though I actually find sometimes just 2-3 days or a week in advance is all it really takes. It seems anything longer, people just are just never available. 
 

It used to be I could advertise cities weeks in advance, take down a bunch of names and contact them when I arrive. But lately it’s best to advertise that same week, and plan to meet. 

Edited December 29, 2023 by Jarrod_Uncut