Getting the latest Covid vaccination

[Luv2play]

1 hour ago, SirBillybob said:

The divide between pro- and anti- vax ideology narrows with the ongoing slow-walked progression of elaboration regarding the potential toxicities of mRNA vaccine platforms and their novel delivery systems. A quick search will reveal that these papers are emerging from reputable sources peer-reviewed in reputable periodicals, and not foaming at the mouth regarding the atrocities of arbitrary vaccine admin. 

While genuine adverse events have not been dismissed for obvious reasons not the least of which is that rapidly produced vaccination slashed back morbidity and mortality as far back as initial vaccine research in which SARS-CoV infection was equivalent in vaxx and placebo sub-cohorts, their type, breadth, and the occurrence ratios by administration are criticized by some clinicians as being well beyond conventional thresholds for which regulatory bodies withhold authorization on other products.

Expansion of mRNA/LNPdelivery into other domains is sometimes met with early failure due to toxicity. That takes some of the shine off as well. The trend is that the naysaying regarding coronavirus vaccination remains based on some degree of evidentiary cherry-picking yet gradually departs from the realm of outright quackery. In this context, why would it be so unusual for a growing minority of physicians to question the validity of ongoing sequential (eg, seasonal) uptake? The vax skeptic crowd is getting more of what they need while devotees are prone to partial or complete turncoat rotation, are well over the honeymoon, cozying up to the protein subunit vaccine option that itself implies a ‘sommelier’ stance where the concept of toxicity evasion stands in for vintage preference, recognize the vast and growing quantity of mRNA individual or class action suits, or are getting behind the legitimate yet impractical suggestion that much more research be conducted on adverse event susceptibility factors that the Immunology field asserts is technically doable for eventually reducing primary and secondary mRNA platform adverse events by population denominator. 

Just go to another doctor? It’s likely that the next in line will promote the prevalent vaccine on hand. Nothing egregiously wrong with an overly simplistic suggestion in which a deleterious outcome specific to a single prophylaxis event is remote. The original physician is spared the anxiety of a possible clinical occurrence that remains quantifiably if not qualitatively less possible than the complication of coronavirus infection. His or her primary blunder was in not conceding legitimate uncertainty about the costs-benefits and not placing the decision conundrum squarely on the shoulders of the patient. That would be the reason for me to submit his/her walking papers. 

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Time flies. I just hit 8 seasons since my last SARS-CoV-2 vaccine dose. 

Good luck to you having fired your doctor. 

[SirBillybob]

37 minutes ago, Luv2play said:

Good luck to you having fired your doctor. 

I would never need to fire a physician involved in my care … knock on wood so far … because I would have had the necessary and sufficient read on them within the first five minutes of interaction to determine buy-in that two ringmasters, each bringing their particular contributions, yields optimal co-existence in any health system circus.

Edited September 22, 2024 by SirBillybob

[pubic_assistance]

On 9/6/2024 at 11:41 AM, sniper said:

Had he not been testing he'd never have thought he had it. There are probably quite a few people in that boat.

Millions of them.

Most people have caught Covid more than once.  Most people are asymptomatic. So they never knew.

Statistically they say "most" because it's so contagious. But there are no actual numbers becasue you need to test within a few days of having it to know when you're asymptomatic. Therefore this is hypothesis and no data sets exist to support it and never will. But that doesn't prove it untrue.

 

Edited September 22, 2024 by pubic_assistance
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[SirBillybob]

I recently went out of country for 2024-25 vaccine dose rather than wait for Health Canada to remove their heads from their asses on rollout timing. I was able to access the Nuvaxovid formulation after all. Interestingly, no site or systemic reaction at all compared to having consistently crashed onto sick bed with fever and malaise for a day or two following mRNA and other protein subunit version doses over the past almost 4 years. 

[Arab]

Getting the vaccination is akin to getting covid for a day, at least in my experience. I wouldn't recommend. But for my age group (55+) it is recommended. I last got vaccinated in 2022 and I have been fine. A healthy life is key, I realized.

[SirBillybob]

35 minutes ago, Arab said:

Getting the vaccination is akin to getting covid for a day, at least in my experience. I wouldn't recommend. But for my age group (55+) it is recommended. I last got vaccinated in 2022 and I have been fine. A healthy life is key, I realized.

Receipts?

Vaccination is intended to mimic coronavirus infection so that true coronavirus infection is less likely to culminate in greater morbidity, or worse, death. That getting CoV for a day sensation when it occurs is reflective of antibody production. Why do you think that Immunologists and Virologists are first in line for revised strain-specific formulation dosing? 

Edited October 4, 2024 by SirBillybob

[mike carey]

I've never caught yellow fever, and I haven't been vaccinated since 2002.

[+ robear]

Got COVID vax #8 a few weeks ago, all of them Pfizer.  In the past I have always had a bit of a reaction the next day, nothing major, just a few hours of feeling generally lousy that lifts as suddenly as it comes on.  Oddly, this time I had no discernible reaction at all.  All I can think is by now I've become so inured to the vax that my bod doesn't even bother.  As I'm now in the every-six-months cohort, that is a very good thing.

[+ Pensant]

On 9/6/2024 at 8:07 PM, Luv2play said:

hopefully

The operative word.

[+ PhileasFogg]

I’m done with the vaccine unless a virulent strain emerges.  And, with home tests costing about $12/each, I see no need to test every time I have the sniffles.  Instead, I simply act like an adult and limit my human interactions.  Having said that, I’ve not really had any respiratory viruses since the pre Covid days. 

[+ FrankR]

41 minutes ago, PhileasFogg said:

I’m done with the vaccine unless a virulent strain emerges.  And, with home tests costing about $12/each, I see no need to test every time I have the sniffles.  Instead, I simply act like an adult and limit my human interactions.  Having said that, I’ve not really had any respiratory viruses since the pre Covid days. 

That is your choice, of course. Limit human interaction, to me, translates to “lock myself in my room”…not very adult, more moody teenager! I like my job and I enjoy people, so I would rather get the shot. You can order free Covid tests online - USPS has a website.  

[BSR]

18 hours ago, FrankR said:

That is your choice, of course. Limit human interaction, to me, translates to “lock myself in my room”…not very adult, more moody teenager! I like my job and I enjoy people, so I would rather get the shot. You can order free Covid tests online - USPS has a website.  

Does the current vaccine prevent transmission?

[mike carey]

12 minutes ago, BSR said:

Does the current vaccine prevent transmission?

As is often the case with respiratory viruses, probably not, but it is likely to reduce the severity of an infection if you contract the disease.

[Tane]

3 hours ago, mike carey said:

As is often the case with respiratory viruses, probably not, but it is likely to reduce the severity of an infection if you contract the disease.

I agree. But the best indication (additionally to a possible vaccine) is keeping up healthy habits, so we don't get respiratory diseases in the first place. I caught covid in Feb 2020 when I was very stressed out from office drama. I catch colds whenever I overwork or don't eat well enough or don't sleep enough. Whenever I take care of myself, exercise, eat well, for some reason, I stay cold free and covid free.

[+ Cash4Trash]

On 10/12/2024 at 2:06 AM, PhileasFogg said:

I’m done with the vaccine unless a virulent strain emerges.  And, with home tests costing about $12/each, I see no need to test every time I have the sniffles.  Instead, I simply act like an adult and limit my human interactions.  Having said that, I’ve not really had any respiratory viruses since the pre Covid days. 

The government is now making covid tests available for no charge. 

[SirBillybob]

11 hours ago, BSR said:

Does the current vaccine prevent transmission?

What difference does it make really?

If respiratory track viral load is reduced due to lower disease severity as a result of vaccination, the array of behavioural factors that predict transmission may still override that one clinical factor of your lower live virus emission quantity into the next person’s system that may have lowered the possibility of transmission in the first place, assuming the sicker one is the more precautions taken to protect others. The lower the disease severity conferred by vaccination the greater the prospect of asymptomatic transmission if absence of symptoms reduced caution. 

The relevant question is: In the absence of any degree of alteration in CoV transmission potential what would support the decision to forego vaccination? Obviously nothing, because impact on disease severity is inarguable. 

The bigger question around transmission is: What is the vulnerability to more severe disease of the next person in my circle as a result of their illness severity immunity factors including that conferred by their vaccine uptake status? That explains the applicability and legitimacy of the social contract to do unto others.

Fortunately, our own health benefits from the contract. If it were all left to altruism I’d hate to see the outcome. The least one concrete thing one can do is reduce one’s own infection viral burden through vaccination in case it makes a difference. That difference, if it exists at the level of transmission risk, is influenced by behavioural factors, some of which are in our control. In contrast, we cannot control the choices of others but that itself further supports our own vaccine consumption. 

Edited October 13, 2024 by SirBillybob

[+ sync]

On 10/12/2024 at 2:06 AM, PhileasFogg said:

I’m done with the vaccine unless a virulent strain emerges.  And, with home tests costing about $12/each, I see no need to test every time I have the sniffles.  Instead, I simply act like an adult and limit my human interactions.  Having said that, I’ve not really had any respiratory viruses since the pre Covid days. 

I'm pretty much with you on this.  My PCP, with whom I have entrusted my healthcare for the past 30 years, told me to not take any more Covid vaccines because they are cancer-causing for the elderly, and if I experience Covid symptoms contact him for an alternate treatment.

Now I'm emotionally between the proverbial rock and hard place.  I'm very hesitant to ignore my PCP's 30-year unerring guidance, but I'm also wary of ignoring future Covid vaccines.

Thus far, my golden years have been "fools' gold," and the crap keeps coming.  😆

[+ PhileasFogg]

3 hours ago, Cash4Trash said:

The government is now making covid tests available for no charge. 

Thanks, I went ahead and ordered my 4.   I'm always intrigued that, after the order was complete, I got a notice saying:

Expiration Dates Extended

Tests may show “expired” dates on the box, but FDA has extended those dates; see the full list of extended expiration dates.

Leaves one with the impression that their benevolence is because they way over-ordered in the past and are now rationalizing the supply.

 

15 minutes ago, sync said:

Now I'm emotionally between the proverbial rock and hard place.  I'm very hesitant to ignore my PCP's 30-year unerring guidance, but I'm also wary of ignoring future Covid vaccines.

My PCP has suggested that, now that the disease is endemic, that it will simply become like an add on to the flu shot (which I've not hesitated to take for years).   So, he's remained an advocate.

BUT, I'm still intrigued that I have not had my normal frequency of respiratory infections after Covid as I did before.   Maybe I'm just more isolated?   But, I took at least 12 trips this summer by plane which is where I normally pick up something.

[josh282282]

9 hours ago, sync said:

I'm pretty much with you on this.  My PCP, with whom I have entrusted my healthcare for the past 30 years, told me to not take any more Covid vaccines because they are cancer-causing for the elderly, and if I experience Covid symptoms contact him for an alternate treatment.

Greetings, Sync.

Physician here. I'm a PCP, board certified, and still practicing Medicine.

I'm dreadfully worried about you. 

Your PCP is relating to you completely nonscientific  rubbish. There is no evidence that covid vaccines are cancer-causing to the elderly. There is no "alternative treatment" to covid except for initial treatment with Paxlovid. 

Your PCP appears like he is practicing outside of the Standard of Care & possibly promoting unfounded & dangerous treatment plans to his patients.  Please be aware that for a physician to be accused of practicing "outside the Standard of Care" is a HUGE ACCUSATION. The entire medical community is in agreement to the benefit of covid vaccination & STRONGLY urges everyone to get vaccinated.  Sure, there are a few conspiracy theorist physicians out there who are against covid vaccines, but the scientific community sees them for who they are: dangerous. 

While I understand you have built a 30 year trusting relationship with your PCP, it might be time to rethink that relationship. Ask him to provide you the specific medical literature that supports his anti-covid vaccine stance. He should only provide research from peer-reviewed journals with robust support from the medical community.  Fringe journals don't count. Non-mainstream websites that are unknown are suspect. Medical influencers are high risk for quackery. If he does provide that type of research,  my original criticism is true. Run.

I get it. It will be easier to get mad at me, discount what I'm saying, maybe even attack me here on this forum. Fine. I'm strong enough to take it.  Indeed, the stronger your internal emotional response you have, the more likely there is truth in my statements which is unconsciously resonating with you.   But I'm hopeful that you still consider my point & take logical action to protect your health.  

 You deserve to stay beautiful and strong. I strongly urge you, and everyone,  to get covid vaccinated.  I did. 

On 10/4/2024 at 5:07 AM, Arab said:

I last got vaccinated in 2022 and I have been fine. A healthy life is key, I realized.

Declining covid vaccination is fine until you get covid and are running to the ER due to difficulties breathing, as I have seen clinically. I've seen many people like you.

Your strategy is similar to the guy who refuses to wear a seat belt while driving., thinking, "I've never been in a car accident yet, so I really don't need one."  Poor and uninformed strategy. Trauma surgeons OR time are filled with people with that strategy. 

Please get covid vaccinated. You deserve to stay healthy.  

Josh 

[+ sync]

12 hours ago, josh282282 said:

Greetings, Sync.

Physician here. I'm a PCP, board certified, and still practicing Medicine.

I'm dreadfully worried about you. 

Your PCP is relating to you completely nonscientific  rubbish. There is no evidence that covid vaccines are cancer-causing to the elderly. There is no "alternative treatment" to covid except for initial treatment with Paxlovid. 

Your PCP appears like he is practicing outside of the Standard of Care & possibly promoting unfounded & dangerous treatment plans to his patients.  Please be aware that for a physician to be accused of practicing "outside the Standard of Care" is a HUGE ACCUSATION. The entire medical community is in agreement to the benefit of covid vaccination & STRONGLY urges everyone to get vaccinated.  Sure, there are a few conspiracy theorist physicians out there who are against covid vaccines, but the scientific community sees them for who they are: dangerous. 

While I understand you have built a 30 year trusting relationship with your PCP, it might be time to rethink that relationship. Ask him to provide you the specific medical literature that supports his anti-covid vaccine stance. He should only provide research from peer-reviewed journals with robust support from the medical community.  Fringe journals don't count. Non-mainstream websites that are unknown are suspect. Medical influencers are high risk for quackery. If he does provide that type of research,  my original criticism is true. Run.

I get it. It will be easier to get mad at me, discount what I'm saying, maybe even attack me here on this forum. Fine. I'm strong enough to take it.  Indeed, the stronger your internal emotional response you have, the more likely there is truth in my statements which is unconsciously resonating with you.   But I'm hopeful that you still consider my point & take logical action to protect your health.  

 You deserve to stay beautiful and strong. I strongly urge you, and everyone,  to get covid vaccinated.  I did. 

Declining covid vaccination is fine until you get covid and are running to the ER due to difficulties breathing, as I have seen clinically. I've seen many people like you.

Your strategy is similar to the guy who refuses to wear a seat belt while driving., thinking, "I've never been in a car accident yet, so I really don't need one."  Poor and uninformed strategy. Trauma surgeons OR time are filled with people with that strategy. 

Please get covid vaccinated. You deserve to stay healthy.  

Josh 

Josh,

Thank you so much, your professional input is a comfort.  Everything you have stated has sound reason and resonates with me.

Because I have just recently had the latest Covid vaccine shot I feel I have some time before the next round to do as you suggest, which is to ask my PCP for his sources of information.

Much appreciated.

Sync

[SirBillybob]

Here is one of several articles deconstructing and debunking the vaccine&cancer myth. You can always search the term “turbo cancer” as well. The few physicians making the claim of a link, and their followers, may have piggy-backed their fake claims on the possibility that cancer screening declined earlier in the pandemic and as a result the trend for patients, vaccinated or not, to be diagnosed at later cancer stages. 

Vaccines and cancer: The myth that won’t die

PUBLICGOODNEWS.COM

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Over three years of research have found no link between COVID-19 vaccines and cancer. But the myth persists.

 

Edited October 14, 2024 by SirBillybob

[samhexum]

I got a covid booster and pneumonia shot tonight.  I figured 'who knows how long they'll still be available for free'?

[+ robear]

Agreed!  Getting my 6 month booster in 2 hours, that'll be number 9 for me.  Now we have to start thinking about a measles booster.   (Note: NOT yet recommended by anybody, but I'll be watching my state health department (not the verkakte federal) for guidance.)

 

[Peter Eater]

5 hours ago, robear said:

Now we have to start thinking about a measles booster. 

And a bird flu vaccine. Which doesn’t exist. And might not…

[+ Pensant]

On 3/5/2025 at 8:21 AM, robear said:

Getting my 6 month booster in 2 hours, that'll be number 9 for me

9! That’s impressive!