Trick Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 This topic is about cash transfer apps but since it is about deposits, I’d like to include the option of sending gift card info as a deposit. If I were to be scammed, I’d only lose the amount on the card but there’d be no paper trail on my end. In cyberspace there is no such thing as absolute anonymity and privacy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 Never send a deposit. Period. That will prevent any scams. peter831, Dolman, Moke and 7 others 2 4 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarrod_Uncut Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 (edited) 4 hours ago, The Dude said: Never send a deposit. Period. That will prevent any scams. That not entirely accurate. Like I said earlier, I have heard from clients get ripped off using cash before also. If $50-$100 is all you lose from a deposit: consider yourself fortunate. Wasn’t there a story around here about a girl in Vegas who made out with $50,000 of cash in the guy’s safe? Remember: scams have been around longer than Venmo and Cash App. If someone wants to scam or rob you, they will not let a deposit get in the way. Only way to prevent being scammed is to go to a reputable provider: Also in reference to how you find a professional provider? Only thing I would say “doesn’t apply” is the no nude/XXX pics things. In fact, I’ve seen a scam ad from someone who lives in Washington DC, that was being used in San Jose, Ca. I knew the guy personally, and that guy does not have nude pictures out there. But he’s also not an escort. Whoever was in Cali was using his pictures but didn’t have any nudes in the ad. Which kinda seemed red flag. I have learned at the end of the day: selling s*x is hard. And it’s become a bit harder with the apps. But it can be particularly harder in some areas more than others. Couple that with being a Black provider with a bit of boundaries, that many men can’t respect because all they hear and see on the news is Blacks being involved in crime, etc. ESPECIALLY in middle America but pretty much everywhere except New Mexico, Utah, Idaho, Montana where there aren’t many of us: it’s hard to run a biz and not be automatically labelled as a scammer/criminal. Like I’ve said before, just the very fact of us selling product: people try to label us as a scam. Then add whatever racial component to it, doubles. I’ve worked hard for a long time to build a solid rep, and I never scam clients out or deposits… I even left a date the other night last week day after Valentine’s, to meet a client who sent a deposit without asking. When I tried to schedule him the next day, he responded back that he couldn’t but “maybe next time”. But I don’t live in the city, so I had to weigh “free” time against paid time and integrity: so I told my date I had to take the booking, and he was upset I could tell but understanding because…that was the only appointment I’ve had in two weeks that actually panned out. And if I didn’t take it, that would have been $500 lost. Edited February 27 by Jarrod_Uncut pubic_assistance 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarrod_Uncut Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 And more tips from professionals: pubic_assistance 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWnyc Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 When some clients have repeatedly posted here “no deposits, ever” and their reasoning, that doesn’t appear to change your mind on the matter. Just sayin’ … Moke, MikeBiDude and + DrownedBoy 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ nycman Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 24 minutes ago, DWnyc said: When some clients have repeatedly posted here “no deposits, ever” and their reasoning, that doesn’t appear to change your mind on the matter. Just sayin’ … DWnyc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomuch4u Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 Why would anyone send a deposit…is a guy really worth sending a deposit to just so you can meet up….? Guys are a dime a dozen. Sorry but some of you need to start thinking with your big head rather than your small one Saabster, josh282282, MikeBiDude and 11 others 4 4 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarrod_Uncut Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 (edited) 8 hours ago, DWnyc said: When some clients have repeatedly posted here “no deposits, ever” and their reasoning, that doesn’t appear to change your mind on the matter. Just sayin’ … I just received a deposit today. So…what’s the message? It’s not going to change my mind because: I’ve done the game without deposits, and done the game with deposits. I’m more at peace with than I was without. I was explaining on another forum: I didn’t decide to take deposits because things were “Going great”. I started taking deposits because things got bad at some point. It doesn’t matter peoples opinions on here because: we are the ones who have to shoulder the burden of flaked bookings, not guys on the forum. I still say to this day: I had to abandon my cozy condo in Denver back in 2015 because 2 key clients didn’t keep their word and show up. One was a regular who just all of sudden started flaking on me, another couldn’t make it to town because the weather. Both of them should have sent courtesy cancellation fees considering they were high amount bookings. But I was young and dumb and just let them do whatever. Granted: I would have likely given it up anyway because Denver got slow and the prices steady went up: but I was planning to do that when the time was right. I just provided a whole mathematical essay on how much no shows and cancellations can cost (though that’s more speculative equations for illustrative purposes, not meant to insinuate how much money I actually lost). 5 hours ago, Toomuch4u said: Why would anyone send a deposit…is a guy really worth sending a deposit to just so you can meet up….? Guys are a dime a dozen. Sorry but some of you need to start thinking with your big head rather than your small one Dime a dozen? If you feel that way, why pay at all? If it’s that easy to get a guy…You should have no need to be looking for paid encounters at all. That’s the exact mentality why some providers charge deposits to begin with: people will try to pull some slick move and not pay their part. The average gay dude would tell you, “guys are a dime a dozen, why are you paying for one”. So, no need to put down clients who send deposits. I’ve had Sexy and wealthy clients send deposit. It’s not thinking with their Dick, it’s being a courteous client who respects their partner(s). I also have to do deposits because many clients desire me to host: and since I travel and have to host in hotel, that means gas and cash for hotels. For example: hotels also charge deposits, which unfortunately have to be passed onto the client. I was talking to a hotel manager earlier today, he said the same thing: before Covid he never charged deposits but now: somehow Covid must have fucked with people’s brain to make them disrespectful towards sex workers, flight attendants, and hotel rooms 🤷🏾♂️ Edited February 28 by Jarrod_Uncut pubic_assistance and marylander1940 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWnyc Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 2 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said: I just received a deposit today. So…what’s the message? And I’ve never paid a deposit apart from the one time I did. I doubt I ever will in the current legal and practical realities. The message is simple - neither you nor many clients on here appear to be moved by the perspectives offered on this matter contrary to our existing positions. Ive seen several providers hold some very rigid positions - eg you on deposits, others on requiring “real” cellphone numbers and only having iPhones, requiring clients to send photos before confirmation, not booking the same day or only booking the same day etc - and it’s everyone’s right to set their rules. Presumably they persist because it works for them better than alternatives, and they are comfortable with supporting data. pubic_assistance 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarrod_Uncut Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 5 hours ago, DWnyc said: supporting data. The supporting data is right here (not from me, but another provider in the biz). marylander1940, + DrownedBoy, pubic_assistance and 1 other 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marylander1940 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 19 minutes ago, Jarrod_Uncut said: The supporting data is right here (not from me, but another provider in the biz). Just fucked up having to deal with timewasters like him! I wonder what kind of pathetic misfit loser behaves like this to entertain himself! pubic_assistance and Jarrod_Uncut 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ KensingtonHomo Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 I have paid deposits multiple times and never had someone flake on it. Generally, it's only requested the first time and it's a relatively small amount ($25-$50). We made deposits for both of our current regulars and we've had no issue. I do understand the privacy issues but there are ways around them. marylander1940 and Jarrod_Uncut 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ BenjaminNicholas Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 (edited) Perhaps looking at this routinely beaten dead horse discussion this way will help put things into perspective: Like gridlocked political parties, you're probably not going to sway the other side with your point of view. So... Why waste your energy? You keep doing whatever works for you. Don't try to control what other people do or don't do. If you can follow these rules, life becomes so much easier. Edited February 28 by BenjaminNicholas Midwest_Man, + KensingtonHomo, + DERRIK and 8 others 1 1 2 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarrod_Uncut Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 16 minutes ago, BenjaminNicholas said: Perhaps looking at this routinely beaten dead horse discussion this way will help put things into perspective: Like gridlocked political parties, you're probably not going to sway the other side with your point of view. So... Why waste your energy? You keep doing whatever works for you. Don't try to control what other people do or don't do. If you can follow these rules, life becomes so much easier. I do so because I hope to in some way, encourage non-posters who may be reading: to not buy into these “DON’T EVER SEND DEPOSIT” lines because, there’s two sides to the equation. And it is sad to lose potential clients because they expect me to be willing to take more risk than they are and don’t trust me as a sex worker and non-White person in business. So $50-$100 may be small fries, but for me it could mean $50-$100 lost PLUS what I was expecting and whatever else spent. So yeah, I will defend it whenever I see someone trying to make it seem like guys who ask for them are scams. marylander1940, pubic_assistance, Midwest_Man and 1 other 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter831 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 Not all clients are time wasters and flakes, and not all providers are honest and not flaky. I have never flaked out on a provider or wasted time in advance chit chat, but I have had providers who lied prior to meeting and ones who flaked out last minute or did not show up. + BenjaminNicholas, Jarrod_Uncut, marylander1940 and 2 others 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJF Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 6 hours ago, marylander1940 said: Just fucked up having to deal with timewasters like him! I wonder what kind of pathetic misfit loser behaves like this to entertain himself! He is “legendary” and pretty much every provider in the DMV heard about him + DrownedBoy, marylander1940, Jarrod_Uncut and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marylander1940 Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 1 hour ago, NJF said: He is “legendary” and pretty much every provider in the DMV heard about him "He" could be anywhere and anyone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarrod_Uncut Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 So, looking around the “universe”, I think it’s stuff like this that makes some clients say stuff like, “I been burned before”. Same thing a potential client said to me yesterday, but he asked me to drive an hour north of town to see him on an outcall, but didn’t want to send a deposit. I was like nah, I’m not about to do that. Anyhow, popcorn 🍿 (not me, from another post elsewhere in the world) and then… followed by… And then these be the same guys claiming they got scammed, SMH 🤦🏾♂️ pubic_assistance and marylander1940 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarrod_Uncut Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 (edited) I just have to clarify (brief discussion elsewhere) that the above text exchange was not a conversation I had lol. This was from another website from another person who had that exchange. It was more just to highlight the fact that: sometimes people throw the word “scam” around loosely, but there’s always 2 sides to a story. No one got scammed in the situation, it sounded like a miscommunication and unwillingness to compromise on the client’s part. However many times people will bring up having been scammed/burned before without actually elaborating how. I know IF it were me in that exchange, I would not be thrilled if someone showed up 45 minutes early. Edited March 2 by Jarrod_Uncut pubic_assistance 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarrod_Uncut Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 Here’s more deposit literature from another industry: How to protect your business from no-shows and late cancels | Glowday WWW.GLOWDAY.COM Deposits and charging for consultations. These are two aspects of owning and running an aesthetics... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newdad Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 Moke, josh282282, peter831 and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarrod_Uncut Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 (edited) On 3/3/2024 at 2:35 AM, newdad said: Just say no Good idea. I said the same thing last week when someone reached out asking if I could drive to a town an hour north of a city I was visiting, to see him. But then I asked for a deposit, and he’s like “no I been burned before.” So I said: well no, I can’t see you then. But guess what? I’ve been burned before too. We’re both taking similar risks, there’s no reason I can think of that I need to shoulder the heavier burden of it by driving out of my way, or when renting rooms to host. Lot of hotels these days, it costs $150/$200 just to use a room for one night, by the time the added “deposit” that the hotel requires is added. If a client says they aren’t comfortable/don’t feel like sending deposits, they have to consider the upfront stuff we to have to spend to entertain. Clients aren’t the only ones who can get scammed. If a provider has a standing in-call spot he also lives in, or works for a company that fronts their travel and hotel cost: maybe clients who show up are just a perk and it might not be a big loss if they don’t show up. In my case, I’m going full time hotel hosting starting this week until I find my next city to move to…so, it’s hardly an option to do without. Edited March 5 by Jarrod_Uncut marylander1940 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DunwoodyGuy Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 I just read all the posts in this thread, and my new rule is: ABSOLUTELY NO DEPOSIT. EVER. (Unless I'm hiring Jarrod_Uncut or BenjaminNicholas.) 56harrisond, + nycman, peter831 and 5 others 1 1 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trick Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 On 3/4/2024 at 3:37 PM, DunwoodyGuy said: I just read all the posts in this thread, and my new rule is: ABSOLUTELY NO DEPOSIT. EVER. (Unless I'm hiring Jarrod_Uncut or BenjaminNicholas.) Just this: ABSOLUTELY NO DEPOSIT No “Unless” newdad 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesB Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 1 hour ago, Trick said: Just this: ABSOLUTELY NO DEPOSIT No “Unless” I guess we could start a campaign "Just say no to deposits. Protect your wallet, protect your peace." LOL!!!! Monarchy79 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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