Kevin Spacey Not Guilty

[Luv2play]

A jury of 9 has found Mr. Spacey not guilty of sexual assault on numerous complainants in London today. This is the second trial in which the actor has successfully defended himself against charges he forced himself on young men, mostly in the acting community.

My advice to Mr. Spacey is that he confine his advances to professional escorts in the future. He would save a lot in legal fees and hassle and still have access to younger attractive guys, which seems to be his proclivity. 

And nothing wrong with that since I am similarly afflicted. Lol

[Bucky]

Has he now suffered commensurately for what many consider slimy, predatory behavior? 

[Stormy]

I’m glad he was acquitted.  His accusers crying about s sexual advance two decades ago?   I think they just smelled money 

[Guest]

3 hours ago, Bucky said:

Has he now suffered commensurately for what many consider slimy, predatory behavior? 

Who cares what those who actually examined the evidence think? In your mind, accusation=guilt. What more do you need?

[+ Lucky]

I was surprised at the verdicts, but it was a strong win for Spacey. Now the question is "Where do I go to get my reputation back?"

 

[mike carey]

16 hours ago, Bucky said:

Has he now suffered commensurately for what many consider slimy, predatory behavior? 

I think there are two separate issues here, did he commit sexual assault and was he a sleaze bag. There is a law against the first, and the jury has decided that he did not. That's the end of it unless there was a procedural error that invalidates the trial, which is theoretically possible but unlikely. There is no law against the second, but was there a pattern of inappropriate behaviour, and does it 'deserve' the level of opprobrium he faced? Or should his alleged behaviour be none of our business unless it passes the threshold of criminality.

[+ augustus]

This “Me Too” movement has become like the Salem Witch Trials.   Witnesses texted their friends that they were going to sleep with Kevin Spacey and bragging about it and then they all followed up with additional dates.  Spacey may be a dl deviate but this was all consensual.  Sick of nonsense.  Bring back statute of limitations already!  

[+ Lucky]

5 hours ago, augustus said:

 Bring back statute of limitations already!  

+1

[wsc]

Yelling Fire! two weeks after ignition is unhelpful as well as unbelievable. If you wait practically any time in claiming rape, when evidence is fresh and memories clearer, you have only yourself to blame for later not being believed. And if the accused is rich, or famous, or nominated to the Supreme Court, your belated cries are even more to be suspected. 

What did you imagine a jury would do?

[CuriousByNature]

8 hours ago, mike carey said:

I think there are two separate issues here, did he commit sexual assault and was he a sleaze bag. There is a law against the first, and the jury has decided that he did not. That's the end of it unless there was a procedural error that invalidates the trial, which is theoretically possible but unlikely. There is no law against the second, but was there a pattern of inappropriate behaviour, and does it 'deserve' the level of opprobrium he faced? Or should his alleged behaviour be none of our business unless it passes the threshold of criminality.

Agreed.  And I think the other factor is that the criminal proceedings did not meet the burden of proof required to convict, which would have been beyond a reasonable doubt on an objective level.  But whether or not he is a sleaze bag is purely subjective for most people, and society rarely uses the criminal standard in its assessment of those accused of things like assault.  In the public eye I doubt the standard even rises to the level of a balance of probabilities, whether it was more likely than not that an assault took place, which would be the standard used if a civil proceeding against Spacey takes place.   In any case, whether he was guilty of anything or not, these events will follow him wherever he goes.  He will always be known as the actor who was accused of (blank).  

[Guest]

10 hours ago, mike carey said:

I think there are two separate issues here, did he commit sexual assault and was he a sleaze bag. There is a law against the first, and the jury has decided that he did not. That's the end of it unless there was a procedural error that invalidates the trial, which is theoretically possible but unlikely. There is no law against the second, but was there a pattern of inappropriate behaviour, and does it 'deserve' the level of opprobrium he faced? Or should his alleged behaviour be none of our business unless it passes the threshold of criminality.

Wow! Well, your posting certainly strongly implies you believe KS behaved like a sleazebag. Yet, all indications are that everything took place among consenting adults. Quite a bizarre insinuation for someone who's a regular on a website such as this. And, don't go all Fox News on us to claim "Well, I was just raising the question...". Your implication was quite clear. And, yes, there are obviously behaviors which are legal but immoral, but this wasn't one of them (though that's obviously a matter of opinion--one which I'd think most people who hire escorts would share). 

 

 

Edited July 27, 2023 by Unicorn

[Guest]

9 hours ago, augustus said:

This “Me Too” movement has become like the Salem Witch Trials.   Witnesses texted their friends that they were going to sleep with Kevin Spacey and bragging about it and then they all followed up with additional dates.  Spacey may be a dl deviate but this was all consensual.  Sick of nonsense.  Bring back statute of limitations already!  

I can't say I agree with you most of the time, but this time certainly you hit the nail on the head. What's unfortunate is that the defendant gets no compensation for being put through the wringer and having his life mostly ruined--from either the accusers or the prosecutors (all of which, in my opinion, should be held responsible). At least Gwyneth Paltrow got $1 out of the false accusation. 😉

[Guest]

21 hours ago, Lucky said:

I was surprised at the verdicts, but it was a strong win for Spacey. Now the question is "Where do I go to get my reputation back?"

Having read about some of the evidence, such as purported "victims" bragging about their encounters, I guess I (and, presumably @augustus) were less surprised. Those who choose to inform themselves, rather than jump to conclusions, are probably less apt to being surprised. Unfortunately, those who prefer jumping to conclusions are more common on this planet, so the jury's still out--as to whether the real victim, Kevin Spacey, can get his reputation back. 😥

Edited July 27, 2023 by Unicorn

[+ jessmapex]

I might brag about watching a live Kevin Spacey performance or one of his good movies. Nothing to brag about sleeping with him, unless one is into smelling, not his crotch, but a juicy role and the associated $$$ he might hook me them up with.

[Vulgarii]

On 7/26/2023 at 8:48 AM, Luv2play said:

My advice to Mr. Spacey is that he confine his advances to professional escorts in the future. 

I have a few personal connections to Spacey, family worked with him in the UK, and I've serviced his previous  attorneys.

The thing with Kevin is that he likes them very young and he likes to get really violent, allegedly. 

 

He went another country, allegedly, and hire a dozen underage males, allegedly, and made a  donation to a charity that was in on it and paid the families hush money, allegedly. Then, allegedly he had the audacity to write the charitable donation off as a tax write off! LMAO 

 

[mike carey]

2 hours ago, Unicorn said:

Wow! Well, your posting certainly strongly implies you believe KS behaved like a sleazebag. Yet, all indications are that everything took place among consenting adults. Quite a bizarre insinuation for someone who's a regular on a website such as this. And, don't go all Fox News on us to claim "Well, I was just raising the question...". Your implication was quite clear. And, yes, there are obviously behaviors which are legal but immoral, but this wasn't one of them (though that's obviously a matter of opinion--one which I'd think most people who hire escorts would share). 

You drew an inference from your interpretation of my motives. I was not implying anything of the sort.

[Luv2play]

1 hour ago, Vulgarii said:

I have a few personal connections to Spacey, family worked with him in the UK, and I've serviced his previous  attorneys.

The thing with Kevin is that he likes them very young and he likes to get really violent, allegedly. 

 

He went another country, allegedly, and hire a dozen underage males, allegedly, and made a  donation to a charity that was in on it and paid the families hush money, allegedly. Then, allegedly he had the audacity to write the charitable donation off as a tax write off! LMAO 

 

I don't know what the tax laws on charitable donations are but here in Canada you can only claim a tax credit on a donation to a Canadian registered charity. I imagine the UK must have the same laws. But you did say "allegedly".

Edited July 27, 2023 by Luv2play

[Guest]

1 hour ago, mike carey said:

You drew an inference from your interpretation of my motives. I was not implying anything of the sort.

Yes, that's what Sean Hannity would always say, couching snarky allegations as "just questions." 😄

Edited July 27, 2023 by Unicorn

[mike carey]

15 minutes ago, Unicorn said:

Yes, that's what Sean Hannity would always say, couching snarky allegations as "just questions." 😄

What utter bullshit. If you can't tell the difference between making a snarky allegation and commenting on a question that had already been asked that's your problem not mine. And since I have a fair idea of what you'd say, I'll explain it slowly. I neither made nor implied an allegation, snarky or otherwise. I commented on the OP's question. And don't bother to post another asinine image. In another thread you said an image says a thousand words, although in your case, rarely the ones you think it does.

[wsc]

19 hours ago, Vulgarii said:

I have a few personal connections to Spacey, family worked with him in the UK, and I've serviced his previous  attorneys.

The thing with Kevin is that he likes them very young and he likes to get really violent, allegedly. 

 

He went another country, allegedly, and hire a dozen underage males, allegedly, and made a  donation to a charity that was in on it and paid the families hush money, allegedly. Then, allegedly he had the audacity to write the charitable donation off as a tax write off! LMAO 

 

That's disgusting.

Allegedly.

[Vulgarii]

On 7/28/2023 at 8:36 AM, wsc said:

That's disgusting.

Allegedly.

 

He's just living his best life like hunter biden.

[pubic_assistance]

On 7/27/2023 at 1:09 PM, wsc said:

Yelling Fire! two weeks after ignition is unhelpful as well as unbelievable. If you wait practically any time in claiming rape, when evidence is fresh and memories clearer, you have only yourself to blame for later not being believed.

I was raped at a Halloween party many years ago by an older gentleman with some degree of wealth and family social standing.

 I exposed his misconduct the very next day to everyone who knew him. I fail to understand why anyone would wait more than 24 hours to do the same. As a victim of rape myself I do find these accounts from years past to be completely unbelievable and even more so when fame and money comes into the picture.

 

 

[wsc]

2 hours ago, pubic_assistance said:

I was raped at a Halloween party many years ago by an older gentleman with some degree of wealth and family social standing.

 I exposed his misconduct the very next day to everyone who knew him. I fail to understand why anyone would wait more than 24 hours to do the same. As a victim of rape myself I do find these accounts from years past to be completely unbelievable and even more so when fame and money comes into the picture.

 

 

I am so sorry you experienced such a thing. My condolences for your pain and my congratulations for your courage in reporting it. 

[HopkinsLad]

A man’s career ruined based on mere allegations. Allegations that involve no criminal behavior but activities between grown adults. 
 

whatever you feel about Kevin this is awful. 

[jeezifonly]

The evidence for the crime charged simply didn’t convince the jury of his guilt. In the US, this happens for the rich and famous all the time. Neither his prolific talent nor his predatory history enter into it. He’s always been this way, and might exercise caution going forward, but he’ll not become a different person. Any young man putting himself within Spacey’s reach should remain alert.