My other P.P: Contacting last minute knowing that they’re leaving town

[Rudynate]

On 4/26/2023 at 7:26 PM, DWnyc said:

Don’t know what line of work you’re in but I’d say you’re an outlier. And certainly in @Jarrod_Uncut’s field having a phone and constantly checking mails is kind of part of the MO. I feel like it’s a requirement to tell providers not to keep checking during a session, that’s how much they are looking at their handheld devices (err… phones, to be precise). 

 

I'm not in a consumer-facing business - strictly B-to-B.  That is changing because I am going into a  consumer-facing line of business.  I have an answering service that takes all my calls and does initial intake.  They ask qualifying questions and pass qualified leads to me.  If  the prospect doesn't qualify, they politely tell them to call somebody else.   As far as email goes, not responding right away is a way of screening leads.   I'm not interested in prospects who are shopping for the cheapest practitioner and want to talk to me yesterday.  If the only question somebody asks in an email is "how much does it cost for X," I  don't even respond.

Edited April 28, 2023 by Rudynate

[DWnyc]

13 minutes ago, Rudynate said:

I'm not in a consumer-facing business - strictly B-to-B.  That is changing because I am going into a  consumer-facing line of business.  I have an answering service that takes all my calls and does initial intake.  They ask qualifying questions and pass qualified leads to me.  If  the prospect doesn't qualify, they politely tell them to call somebody else.   As far as email goes, not responding right away is a way of screening leads.   I'm not interested in prospects who are shopping for the cheapest practitioner and want to talk to me yesterday.  If the only question somebody asks in an email is "how much does it cost for X," I  don't even respond.

Ultimately if we are all sane and rational we will do what’s best for us, either monetarily (if that’s the main consideration) or otherwise (eg work life balance, avoiding triggers etc) if we control the process … which a provider typically does (but most workers don’t).

So nothing really to debate here …

 

 

 

 

[DWnyc]

22 hours ago, Rudynate said:

There is an unspoken assumption in a lot of the posts in this thread that providers want to see as many clients as possible and "of course" they would want to see me.   If I reach out to somebody and I don't hear from him, it is entirely possible that he isn't flaky at all - he's just not that into me.  One more reason why a thick hide helps in this pursuit.

Sure .. there’s that, there’s also the provider just not being strategic. We shouldn’t assume every provider is thinking long term, and may rely on a sense of prospects always being there. I’ve lost count of how many times a provider has been unresponsive either mid text exchange or no comms at all in response to my first one … and then maybe a day later or even longer like a week … I’ll hear from them. Might be “sorry I missed this … are you still interested …” or they may carry on as if there was no lag in response. And that could be so many things … they really did miss it, were busy and didn’t catch up on comms missed, having a bad day or jn a bad mood (we’re all human after all) and so on. But as you say a thick hide helps. 

 

[DWnyc]

Some providers even say in their ads “last minute ok” or even “preferred”. So it’s what works for them. I don’t think there’s a clear value judgement here on either model (last min or same day bookings ok or not ok).

[Rudynate]

4 minutes ago, DWnyc said:

Sure .. there’s that, there’s also the provider just not being strategic. We shouldn’t assume every provider is thinking long term, and may rely on a sense of prospects always being there. I’ve lost count of how many times a provider has been unresponsive either mid text exchange or no comms at all in response to my first one … and then maybe a day later or even longer like a week … I’ll hear from them. Might be “sorry I missed this … are you still interested …” or they may carry on as if there was no lag in response. And that could be so many things … they really did miss it, were busy and didn’t catch up on comms missed, having a bad day or jn a bad mood (we’re all human after all) and so on. But as you say a thick hide helps. 

 

Sure - and all those things matter.  If I don't get a prompt response, he isn't forever banished.   I don't reach out to guys unless I'm already very interested.  So if I hear from him after a week, I'm usually pretty happy.   There are only so many guys who pique my interest, so my short list really is pretty short.

[DWnyc]

Re using email / how often checked I think there’s also a generational issue. Older folks tend to email more and text less, and reverse for say 40 and below. 

I fall in the category of equating them all / they come to the same handheld device.

 

[Rudynate]

1 hour ago, DWnyc said:

Re using email / how often checked I think there’s also a generational issue. Older folks tend to email more and text less, and reverse for say 40 and below. 

I fall in the category of equating them all / they come to the same handheld device.

 

I haven't encouraged potential clients to text me, but sometimes they do.  I have found that people who text tend to be better leads.

[DWnyc]

22 hours ago, Rudynate said:

I haven't encouraged potential clients to text me, but sometimes they do.  I have found that people who text tend to be better leads.

Text is my preferred … immediate, you can be very brief, and less formality

That’s not to say I condone being rude or abrupt given how texts can sometimes go, and I think sometimes misunderstandings can also happen because of this … what some consider ghosting or abruptness is normal for some demographics and in their minds more efficient. 

[NyGold]

On 4/26/2023 at 10:28 AM, Rudynate said:

I don't.  I check it twice a day.   I'm  going into a new  B-to-C line of business, so that may change, but mostly, I'm looking for people who want to do business with ME, not people who are just shopping. 

If I’m looking to do business with a provider shouldn’t I expect some responses in a timely way to help me confirm if I should with that one? 

[Rudynate]

42 minutes ago, NyGold said:

If I’m looking to do business with a provider shouldn’t I expect some responses in a timely way to help me confirm if I should with that one? 

Of course you should.  But "timely" is a flexible concept.  If you are looking for a same-day encounter, and you tell him that, it is reasonable to expect a very fast turnaround.  Just because it's reasonable doesn't mean you'll get it - after all, this is a business that operates at the margins.

 

[NyGold]

10 minutes ago, Rudynate said:

Of course you should.  But "timely" is a flexible concept.  If you are looking for a same-day encounter, and you tell him that, it is reasonable to expect a very fast turnaround.  Just because it's reasonable doesn't mean you'll get it - after all, this is a business that operates at the margins.

 

Sure understood, and everyone has different needs and constraints. I just don’t think there’s a standard etiquette on this that’s obvious. 

 

[Jarrod_Uncut]

On 4/28/2023 at 5:49 PM, Rudynate said:

I haven't encouraged potential clients to text me, but sometimes they do.  I have found that people who text tend to be better leads.

Agreed. I will say the only thing keeping me hanging onto emails is: the days I’m not on tour and don’t want to be on call 24/7, and being able to receive reviews since it’s required that an email exchange be had to receive one. 
 

Other than that, I don’t care for email stuff anymore. Matter of fact: an even bigger P.P. Is when someone emails and is asking to meet today at a certain time at a certain hotel (or my place), in their first reply. One better hope I’m not involved in something like: chores and hobbies at that moment. Because it’s guaranteed not to be seen until after the time has passed that they’re available 🫤 
 

9 hours ago, NyGold said:

If I’m looking to do business with a provider shouldn’t I expect some responses in a timely way to help me confirm if I should with that one? 

Timely for: text or email?

Like was mentioned, timely varies…But standard business practice across the board for email is 24 hours. Text is a bit different, not a whole lot of etiquette has been done on it. But if I were to write the rules, 2 hours to return an initial text could be considered timely. Subsequent texts in an active conversation, not more than 30 minutes apart.

[pubic_assistance]

On 4/28/2023 at 3:52 AM, Jarrod_Uncut said:

I don’t know of any business where you email the company, asking “Hey are you available today, staying at the Sheraton”. Or “U free today around 2 p.m. ?“ 

It's called the escort business.

Your problems are borne in the fact that people here are telling how to improve your business model but instead of thanking us your tell us we are all wrong and then you continue to complain you don't have enough business.  

Rather a vicious cycle you're creating for yourself. 

If twenty people say you're a horse every day... then maybe you should at least consider buying a saddle instead of insisting you're a dolphin. 

[SouthOfTheBorder]

15 hours ago, Rudynate said:

But "timely" is a flexible concept. 

while “timely” is a flexible concept - almost all successful people I know in either sales or service oriented businesses are focused on almost immediate response.

if I call a salesperson at a car dealership to buy a new vehicle - I’m not going to wait 4 hours plus for a response.  In context, I’m calling to spend money and put income into the salespersons pocket.  I can just as easily go to the next person who understands the value of a client inquiry.

btw - I managed a large fortune 50 sales team and I’ve seen it all in terms of excuses & justifications for poor client communications. I used to get calls from prospective clients ready to spend money & telling me the salesperson hasn’t called them back after several hours.  Truly amazing to me then & I would immediately assign to another person who would at least acknowledge the inquiry and schedule time to get back to prospect.
the lesson; some people are just clueless and can be their own worst enemy

the best always rise to the top with no complaints - they just keep moving and making money.  
in a market with many choices available, isn’t it easier if I select those who make it easy for me ?  I am, after all looking for a pleasant overall experience, which includes the inquiry & scheduling process. And I find that those who deliver a seamless/easy inquiry & scheduling tend to be the best actual in-person experience too.  It’s all connected 

Edited April 30, 2023 by SouthOfTheBorder

[Rudynate]

1 hour ago, SouthOfTheBorder said:

while “timely” is a flexible concept - almost all successful people I know in either sales or service oriented businesses are focused on almost immediate response.

if I call a salesperson at a car dealership to buy a new vehicle - I’m not going to wait 4 hours plus for a response.  In context, I’m calling to spend money and put income into the salespersons pocket.  I can just as easily go to the next person who understands the value of a client inquiry.

btw - I managed a large fortune 50 sales team and I’ve seen it all in terms of excuses & justifications for poor client communications. I used to get calls from prospective clients ready to spend money & telling me the salesperson hasn’t called them back after several hours.  Truly amazing to me then & I would immediately assign to another person who would at least acknowledge the inquiry and schedule time to get back to prospect.
the lesson; some people are just clueless and can be their own worst enemy

the best always rise to the top with no complaints - they just keep moving and making money.  
in a market with many choices available, isn’t it easier if I select those who make it easy for me ?  I am, after all looking for a pleasant overall experience, which includes the inquiry & scheduling process. And I find that those who deliver a seamless/easy inquiry & scheduling tend to be the best actual in-person experience too.  It’s all connected 

But if you  wanted a Tesla, you would call the dealership and make an appointment.  If  a friend had referred you to a particular salesman who he/she really liked, if he wasn't available,  you would leave a message and wait for him to call you back.  If you  heard a service professional give a presentation on a topic  that was important to you, and you thought "I need to talk this guy," you would get his card and reach out to him and if he didn't get back to you that same day, you would wait.  If you are contemplating a professional relationship that is going to cost you many thousands of dollars over a span of years, even on first contact, you don't just call anybody.  When people call me and their first question is "how much," I ask them if price is their most important consideration.  If they say "yes," I tell them that we aren't a good match. 

Yes, if you are "shopping" for a commoditized product or service, immediate response is important.  I have been told by marketing professionals in my field that an internet lead is stale after only a few minutes.   So, If you are  the kind of client who wants to hire right now, and you're not fussy, you have a list of guys and you work down your list until somebody says "yes."  So Jarrod is going to miss those guys.  But from what he says, he wants to miss those guys.   

Having said all of the above, that doesn't mean a  service provider can wait forever to return calls.   Jarrod said he checks messages twice a day.  So, somebody who wanted to hire HIM would be willing to wait a reaonable amount ot time for him to respond.   My goal is to respond to leads the same day.  But if something in the initial communication disqualifies a lead, I just don't respond.  As  I have said before D/F leads don't magically turn into A/B leads. 

 

Even if you are talking about digital sales funnels, there are different types of funnel.  There are funnels designed to just get lots of leads.  There are other funnels that are designed to get the right leads. 

[Rudynate]

3 hours ago, pubic_assistance said:

It's called the escort business.

Your problems are borne in the fact that people here are telling how to improve your business model but instead of thanking us your tell us we are all wrong and then you continue to complain you don't have enough business.  

Rather a vicious cycle you're creating for yourself. 

If twenty people say you're a horse every day... then maybe you should at least consider buying a saddle instead of insisting you're a dolphin. 

Or he could realize that he's marketing himself as a horse even though he thinks he's a dolphin.   I agree that mass-marketing of escort services is going to net mostly guys who are looking for horses.   

[Rudynate]

On 4/28/2023 at 8:33 AM, DWnyc said:

Some providers even say in their ads “last minute ok” or even “preferred”. So it’s what works for them. I don’t think there’s a clear value judgement here on either model (last min or same day bookings ok or not ok).

Right - there are guys who even say in their ads "same-day only" or such.   I'm not a spur-of-the-moment guy, so it wouldn't be likely that I would contact one of those guys. 

[SouthOfTheBorder]

1 hour ago, Rudynate said:

But if you  wanted a Tesla, you would call the dealership and make an appointment.  If  a friend had referred you to a particular salesman who he/she really liked, if he wasn't available,  you would leave a message and wait for him to call you back.  If you  heard a service professional give a presentation on a topic  that was important to you, and you thought "I need to talk this guy," you would get his card and reach out to him and if he didn't get back to you that same day, you would wait.

I recently bought a new car, thus the example.  I wouldn’t go into a dealership without an initial conversation w the sales person.  And wouldn’t agree to an appointment and hope for the best - I’m not a Tesla customer so whatever their rules are, they don’t apply. And no, I wouldn’t wait more than 4-6 hours for anyone in a basic sales or service capacity to return my inquiry.  We’re not talking about highly skilled surgeons or trial lawyers in these examples.

In the provider context, I’m never looking for now - but frequently same day or within a day or two.  A delay of more than 4-6 hours tells me the provider is busy and I should look elsewhere, whether or not that provider is someone I really want to see or not. 

I’ve found letting go of my expectations re; exact hires and being more open to what comes to me as relatively easy is usually a pleasant surprise.  I view every interaction w provider as a decision point.  How they handle inquires and timely response tells me volumes about what I can expect in-person.  

[Rudynate]

20 minutes ago, SouthOfTheBorder said:

I recently bought a new car, thus the example.  I wouldn’t go into a dealership without an initial conversation w the sales person.  And wouldn’t agree to an appointment and hope for the best - I’m not a Tesla customer so whatever their rules are, they don’t apply. And no, I wouldn’t wait more than 4-6 hours for anyone in a basic sales or service capacity to return my inquiry.  We’re not talking about highly skilled surgeons or trial lawyers in these examples.

In the provider context, I’m never looking for now - but frequently same day or within a day or two.  A delay of more than 4-6 hours tells me the provider is busy and I should look elsewhere, whether or not that provider is someone I really want to see or not. 

I’ve found letting go of my expectations re; exact hires and being more open to what comes to me as relatively easy is usually a pleasant surprise.  I view every interaction w provider as a decision point.  How they handle inquires and timely response tells me volumes about what I can expect in-person.  

So we're basically in agreement.  Our only difference is how long we are willing to wait to hear from a potential hire - I am more patient than you. 

[Jarrod_Uncut]

18 hours ago, pubic_assistance said:

It's called the escort business.

Your problems are borne in the fact that people here are telling how to improve your business model but instead of thanking us your tell us we are all wrong and then you continue to complain you don't have enough business.  

Rather a vicious cycle you're creating for yourself. 

If twenty people say you're a horse every day... then maybe you should at least consider buying a saddle instead of insisting you're a dolphin. 

First of all, I don’t need YOU to tell me there’s an issue with my business model. And I just told you: me not getting enough business has mainly been limited to my HOME MARKET, that’s why I travel. You obviously don’t comprehend or listen too well, and that’s the reason why I bother you so much. And if I didn’t, you wouldn’t be talking so much shit every time I post something. 
 

If you think you can be a better escort than me, then why not put up your own ad, and see if you can make more money? If it bothers you that much. And if you criticize my needing a deposit, then leave me your number so you can be the first person I call when I need to host an appointment…and you can send me cash or money to pay for the incall location that I book when I host, or the travel expenses I spend to drive to different locations. 
 

If you can’t do all of the above, stop talking to me. Because you not even saying anything relevant. You keep saying business model, business model: but you don’t even HAVE a business model at all to offer. So STFU. 

If I take suggestions from people, it’s going to be within the realms of what’s possible. There’s a difference between suggestions and changing how someone does biz. It takes a non-judgmental person, to decipher the difference. You just want me to do whatever is thrown at me, without any understanding of individual circumstances. Don’t tell me to do something, and don’t give the blueprint or tools to make it happen. 

Edited May 1, 2023 by Jarrod_Uncut

[Jarrod_Uncut]

10 hours ago, Maximus69 said:

A lot of clients book when they are suddenly horny so they are looking for asap. If you can't meet them in under an 30 minutes to an hour then they don't want it lol. Hell a lot of my regulars want it asap as well but they give me a bit more leeway thankfully. People just think were just at home glued to our laptops or phones waiting for a call and that when they message us that we should be ready at a moments notice.

The problem with that, many of those types don’t always follow thru. Especially if talking meeting in less than an hour to 30 minutes, and coming to that person’s place.

Some get tripped up, over booking in advance. It’s not always a case of needing to “plan” being horny. It just comes down to basic common sense that someone who just realized your existence, is probably going to need to get into position to connect.

Now if someone wants to just dive in haphazardly, don’t be surprised if expectations aren’t met. Not by me, just in general. Because some people tend to lump all escorts on a site just because they met 2 guys who screwed them over. 
 

One thing that amazes me: as much as I talk about “freebie hookup apps”, I find most all of my meets on there go accordingly. Sure you have the flakes, but most people who get to the number exchange point: usually don’t have a problem waiting a couple/few hours or planning the next day. But nobody is being put off: it’s just basic coordinating schedules. Anybody on hookup apps who’s expecting to meet asap without trying to figure anything out, is a red flag. 
 

I just don’t be so quick to meeting someone, without first figuring out what they are even into. 

[Archbishop]

I always try to contact visiting providers a day or two before they arrive in my city in hope of getting in with them. If I catch them too late, they are usually booked up when I am available to see them. 

[pubic_assistance]

5 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

I don’t need YOU to tell me there’s an issue with my business model. And I just told you: me not getting enough business has mainly been limited to my HOME MARKET, that’s why I travel. You obviously don’t comprehend or listen too well.....

Jarrod.

You do nothing but complain about your business.

Lots of people have read your long posts and tried to offer suggestions to your many gripes.

I am just one of them. But it seems you don't want answers. You just need to vent and keep repeating the same problems and never adjusting your approach. I'm sure plenty of other members agree.

The "comprehending" and "listening" are advice you may (or may not) take for yourself. People are trying to help you but you don't hear anything because you always get defensive instead of listening and learning.

No one is attacking you, so you should lower your armor for a minute and think about the things people are saying more carefully.

Best of luck.

[Jarrod_Uncut]

4 hours ago, Archbishop said:

I always try to contact visiting providers a day or two before they arrive in my city in hope of getting in with them. If I catch them too late, they are usually booked up when I am available to see them. 

This is a great strategy. I always feel a day or 2 isn’t too far in advance but, it also gives enough time to “catch them while they’re still horny”. 

[DWnyc]

3 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

This is a great strategy. I always feel a day or 2 isn’t too far in advance but, it also gives enough time to “catch them while they’re still horny”. 

I think two days would actually give you many ups and downs, no pun intended, in the average male horniness cycle.

And there’s a serious point in there too.