Providers moving appointment times

[acks01]

8 hours ago, pubic_assistance said:

Being on-time is sooo last century. 😆 Millennials never show up to anything on time. ( Not sure how old your "date" was...but if he's under 30, this kind of behavior is the new normal )

People under 30 are zoomers. Millennials are in the 30-40 range.

[Wolfer]

Just happened to me this week with someone who I'd had an amazing prior session with. I was well annoyed and put me off of hiring him again, especially since he asked to reschedule to the next day while I was already on the train to meet him. I can't just turn around the train 😂

[+ Pensant]

7 hours ago, ThroatCummer said:

Without going into too much detail, I have eliminated an entire department over this.

You live 30 minutes from our office but refuse to come in ever again? .. and you still want that $180k salary? Nah, it don't work that way.

Historically, Asia and India outsourcing was a fucking train wreck because quality was never there. But now there's an epic crap ton of countries and people with the same skills that will do your job for a fraction of the price. I can get someone in South Africa, Brazil, or Romania to replace you in ten seconds. Oh, and there's a hundred million of them lined up applying.

Welcome to globalization.

My highest performer (our Chief Compliance Officer) can do her job from the Lido deck of a cruise ship and never come into the office ever again, and I won't give a fuck. Because she's a master at her work and she gets shit done. 

But now, when we need a new person, our universe of hiring is the entire planet. It's going to be a really hard lesson for the tech skilled workforce in the USA to learn over the next few years. No company is going to pay $180k for a software engineer that wants to sit at home down the street from the actual office in Manhattan. I need you in the office to be creative because there's value in that. If you don't want to do that, then you're going to be replaced by someone in Lebanon or Croatia.   

WOAH. Need to put down the keyboard.

Wait, what were we talking about? Open markets and how they influence escort prices? 'Night  

Labor arbitrage is a brutal fact of life these days.

[TorontoDrew]

14 hours ago, ThroatCummer said:

Without going into too much detail, I have eliminated an entire department over this.

You live 30 minutes from our office but refuse to come in ever again? .. and you still want that $180k salary? Nah, it don't work that way.

Historically, Asia and India outsourcing was a fucking train wreck because quality was never there. But now there's an epic crap ton of countries and people with the same skills that will do your job for a fraction of the price. I can get someone in South Africa, Brazil, or Romania to replace you in ten seconds. Oh, and there's a hundred million of them lined up applying.

Welcome to globalization.

My highest performer (our Chief Compliance Officer) can do her job from the Lido deck of a cruise ship and never come into the office ever again, and I won't give a fuck. Because she's a master at her work and she gets shit done. 

But now, when we need a new person, our universe of hiring is the entire planet. It's going to be a really hard lesson for the tech skilled workforce in the USA to learn over the next few years. No company is going to pay $180k for a software engineer that wants to sit at home down the street from the actual office in Manhattan. I need you in the office to be creative because there's value in that. If you don't want to do that, then you're going to be replaced by someone in Lebanon or Croatia.   

WOAH. Need to put down the keyboard.

Wait, what were we talking about? Open markets and how they influence escort prices? 'Night  

My company opened up an office in Poland.  Great workers and cost less than a third of US employees.  With all the Russians fleeing to other countries it will get even more competitive.   You need to have a specialized niche, be awesome at what you do or work your butt off.

[gutbreeder]

have had to change my times around a few times...it happens. have had escorts do the same. it happens in my business world, and social world...willing to give anyone some slack. unless it becomes a chronic situation. relax everyone. 

[Medin]

It sounds like I'm likely in the minority, but I won't wait more than 10 minutes for an escort if they hadn't notified me well in advance they are running late.  Nowadays it only takes a quick text or email to notify someone.  They either learn some basic business etiquette or they don't need my business.  I usually have to adjust my schedule to meet them and sometimes have a long drive as well.  I expect them to be on time.  Sorry if the provider overbooked, was at the gym, wanted to eat breakfast first, etc.  They are essentially telling us our time has no value.  My own clients don't accept the excuses so why should I accept them when the tables are turned and I'm paying $300+/hour?   

[Beancounter]

30 minutes ago, Medin said:

It sounds like I'm likely in the minority, but I won't wait more than 10 minutes for an escort if they hadn't notified me well in advance they are running late.  Nowadays it only takes a quick text or email to notify someone.  They either learn some basic business etiquette or they don't need my business.  I usually have to adjust my schedule to meet them and sometimes have a long drive as well.  I expect them to be on time.  Sorry if the provider overbooked, was at the gym, wanted to eat breakfast first, etc.  They are essentially telling us our time has no value.  My own clients don't accept the excuses so why should I accept them when the tables are turned and I'm paying $300+/hour?   

Plus 1.   

[Yukon21]

4 hours ago, Medin said:

It sounds like I'm likely in the minority, but I won't wait more than 10 minutes for an escort if they hadn't notified me well in advance they are running late.  Nowadays it only takes a quick text or email to notify someone.  They either learn some basic business etiquette or they don't need my business.  I usually have to adjust my schedule to meet them and sometimes have a long drive as well.  I expect them to be on time.  Sorry if the provider overbooked, was at the gym, wanted to eat breakfast first, etc.  They are essentially telling us our time has no value.  My own clients don't accept the excuses so why should I accept them when the tables are turned and I'm paying 

Could not have said it better.  I operate the same way. 

[pubic_assistance]

On 10/14/2022 at 12:45 PM, Medin said:

It sounds like I'm likely in the minority, but I won't wait more than 10 minutes for an escort if they hadn't notified me well in advance they are running late

Hopefully your taste in company runs to the over 40 crowd...cause you are gonna be hard-pressed to get this kind of service from most of the 20-somethings.

[Cliff]

On 10/14/2022 at 12:45 PM, Medin said:

It sounds like I'm likely in the minority, but I won't wait more than 10 minutes for an escort if they hadn't notified me well in advance they are running late.  Nowadays it only takes a quick text or email to notify someone.  They either learn some basic business etiquette or they don't need my business.  I usually have to adjust my schedule to meet them and sometimes have a long drive as well.  I expect them to be on time.  Sorry if the provider overbooked, was at the gym, wanted to eat breakfast first, etc.  They are essentially telling us our time has no value.  My own clients don't accept the excuses so why should I accept them when the tables are turned and I'm paying $300+/hour?   

I’ll wait another hour and that’s it. I’m an uber busy guy but I leave enough wiggle room between appointments for a 1-hour grace period. Anything longer than that is a dealbreaker because I need to attend to other shit. It’s one of the reasons I hardly ever hire Millennials or Gen Zers who are always ALWAYS the ones who are late because they need to finish their biscuit or  the last few reps at the gym or their dog ate their homework, etc. This forum really helps a lot in weeding out those losers so many thanks in advance, guys. 👍🏻

[seattlebottom]

On 10/12/2022 at 9:05 PM, ThroatCummer said:

Without going into too much detail, I have eliminated an entire department over this.

You live 30 minutes from our office but refuse to come in ever again? .. and you still want that $180k salary? Nah, it don't work that way.

Historically, Asia and India outsourcing was a fucking train wreck because quality was never there. But now there's an epic crap ton of countries and people with the same skills that will do your job for a fraction of the price. I can get someone in South Africa, Brazil, or Romania to replace you in ten seconds. Oh, and there's a hundred million of them lined up applying.

Welcome to globalization.

My highest performer (our Chief Compliance Officer) can do her job from the Lido deck of a cruise ship and never come into the office ever again, and I won't give a fuck. Because she's a master at her work and she gets shit done. 

But now, when we need a new person, our universe of hiring is the entire planet. It's going to be a really hard lesson for the tech skilled workforce in the USA to learn over the next few years. No company is going to pay $180k for a software engineer that wants to sit at home down the street from the actual office in Manhattan. I need you in the office to be creative because there's value in that. If you don't want to do that, then you're going to be replaced by someone in Lebanon or Croatia.   

WOAH. Need to put down the keyboard.

Wait, what were we talking about? Open markets and how they influence escort prices? 'Night  

Maybe I'm misreading this but you'll fire someone who won't come into the office and hire someone from another country who won't be able to come into the office either?  Are you going to sponsor the person and pay for their work visa just so they can show up and work in the office?  Seems like a terrible waste of time and money. 

[+ Axiom2001]

On 10/11/2022 at 3:51 PM, leftbench23 said:

Is it just me or are providers taking liberties in moving confirmed appointment times later by 30-60 minutes? I'm not talking about a few extra minutes to get ready, especially when he is bottoming.

My most recent exchange was with a provider where I made an appointment more than 24 hours in advance for 6-8pm, but he texted at 545pm asking if we could meet at 7pm since he was just getting out of the gym. 

Is this socially acceptable now or am I just old fashion where you show up on time?

I've been rather fortunate when confirming appointments except for my most recent appointment of a week ago.  I corresponded with my provider via "Chat" on Rentmen.  While there I requested a 90 mins. erotic massage at 6:00P.M.  The provider wrote back with 5:45.  I rejected and cited another time.  He responded back with another.  Guess what, his final correspondence wound up being 6:00 P.M.  I had to smile and wait.

Well, the masseur (???)/escort texted me and showed up on time and clock watched while he gave me the "massage" which turned out to be quite lame.  As far as the sexual component went, it was unsatisfying as well.  I was out of $300 and was left quite disappointed and saddened.

[JTtorretto]

One of my pet peeves with clients is the assumption that if I'm running late it's due to another appt "running late". 
👎🏻

This is never the reason I'm running late as I rarely ever decide to have more then one appt a day.   

 

 

 

[+ ThroatCummer]

On 10/15/2022 at 4:17 PM, seattlebottom said:

Maybe I'm misreading this but you'll fire someone who won't come into the office and hire someone from another country who won't be able to come into the office either?  Are you going to sponsor the person and pay for their work visa just so they can show up and work in the office?  Seems like a terrible waste of time and money. 

You're not misreading a tall, but the larger message is just lost in translation from being a post here rather than a real-life discussion. I think I wrote all that on a semi-buzzed ramble and the answer is that it's complicated.

The initial reason for that reply was "CEOs and other executives have announced that the first candidates for layoffs will be the people who refuse to come to the office, or don't get there enough or in a timely manner. An entire generation is going to have to grow up quickly and drop their bad habits."

And that's the point of the thread -- be on time or communicate, or you'll get passed over. Sure some guys have enough business to not care, but it's the ones who respect and value time (on both sides) that become the legends in this [or any] industry. 

[massagefan320]

On 10/14/2022 at 12:45 PM, Medin said:

It sounds like I'm likely in the minority, but I won't wait more than 10 minutes for an escort if they hadn't notified me well in advance they are running late.  Nowadays it only takes a quick text or email to notify someone.  They either learn some basic business etiquette or they don't need my business.  I usually have to adjust my schedule to meet them and sometimes have a long drive as well.  I expect them to be on time.  Sorry if the provider overbooked, was at the gym, wanted to eat breakfast first, etc.  They are essentially telling us our time has no value.  My own clients don't accept the excuses so why should I accept them when the tables are turned and I'm paying $300+/hour?   

I would rather be 20 minutes early than 5 minutes late.  I am in my early 40s.  My outcalls are always at least half an hour late.  I do live uptown and the subway by me is slow.  I tolerate the lateness up to a point.  Do people arrive routinely late to incalls, I surely don’t.

[+ DrownedBoy]

On 10/14/2022 at 11:45 AM, Medin said:

It sounds like I'm likely in the minority, but I won't wait more than 10 minutes for an escort if they hadn't notified me well in advance they are running late.  Nowadays it only takes a quick text or email to notify someone.  They either learn some basic business etiquette or they don't need my business.  I usually have to adjust my schedule to meet them and sometimes have a long drive as well.  I expect them to be on time.  Sorry if the provider overbooked, was at the gym, wanted to eat breakfast first, etc.  They are essentially telling us our time has no value.  My own clients don't accept the excuses so why should I accept them when the tables are turned and I'm paying $300+/hour?   

I've had to more or less take the same tact.

A few weeks ago, I tried a new young provider. He texted that he was running late, and refused to come unless I sent him a photo.

I informed him that, after I texted him at our agreed-on time and he didn't respond, I waited 10 minutes, then started texting a different provider to set something up.

The kid just kept whining and acting oblivious, so I just cancelled him and hired the guy I was chatting with at the same time.

The 20s crowd needs to realize they're competing with 200+ people in my location, and with the recession coming, they better find a way to stand out. That's how my firm works; it's also how the entire business world works.

Edited November 26, 2022 by DrownedBoy

[+ bashful]

On 10/15/2022 at 3:17 PM, seattlebottom said:

Maybe I'm misreading this but you'll fire someone who won't come into the office and hire someone from another country who won't be able to come into the office either?  Are you going to sponsor the person and pay for their work visa just so they can show up and work in the office?  Seems like a terrible waste of time and money. 

if face time in the office is a requirement, pool of talent is smaller/local.  Once face time is not required, pool of talent is global, and most likely less expensive for same skill set.

[Cruiser7]

@ThroatCummer $180k?! Damn. Hire me. I’m very proficient in Windows XP and that other program with the writing words on it, but most importantly, I’m always on time. 😉

[Cruiser7]

On 10/11/2022 at 9:15 PM, acks01 said:

I'm younger and IMO it's just one of the more common things that happens, even socially.

At the end of the day, you can't change other people. You can only change how you deal with them.

Perhaps younger, but very wise. 
 

[Luv2play]

On 10/15/2022 at 4:53 PM, Axiom2001 said:

I've been rather fortunate when confirming appointments except for my most recent appointment of a week ago.  I corresponded with my provider via "Chat" on Rentmen.  While there I requested a 90 mins. erotic massage at 6:00P.M.  The provider wrote back with 5:45.  I rejected and cited another time.  He responded back with another.  Guess what, his final correspondence wound up being 6:00 P.M.  I had to smile and wait.

Well, the masseur (???)/escort texted me and showed up on time and clock watched while he gave me the "massage" which turned out to be quite lame.  As far as the sexual component went, it was unsatisfying as well.  I was out of $300 and was left quite disappointed and saddened.

He was getting his revenge.

[cany10011]

On 10/16/2022 at 12:45 AM, JTtorretto said:

One of my pet peeves with clients is the assumption that if I'm running late it's due to another appt "running late". 
👎🏻

This is never the reason I'm running late as I rarely ever decide to have more then one appt a day.   

 

 

 

That is great to know  As a client, my first assumption would be that he is busy with another client and that might diminish my enjoyment with him. Especially knowing that I’m getting sloppy seconds. 

[+ ThroatCummer]

On 11/26/2022 at 5:11 PM, bashful said:

if face time in the office is a requirement, pool of talent is smaller/local.  Once face time is not required, pool of talent is global, and most likely less expensive for same skill set.

Exactly. Once you argue that you don't have to be in the office -- and genuinely make the case for that, then I don't have to pay a NYC/SF salary anymore. It's that simple. I can get someone from Oklahoma or Costa Rica or Romania for a fraction of the cost. This is simple math for individual contributor roles where metrics can be easily measured. But for design/development or creative roles, that's a little more blurred.

I know what happens when you get a bunch of A players in a room with a whiteboard, and Zoom with its "talk. stop. talk. stop. unable to read body language" doesn't even come close to being a substitute. What we'll see in the coming decade is more outsourcing for those individual contributor roles while the creative ones are kept local. Salaries will be paid accordingly. 

Back on topic:  Being on time is essential. Life happens, but once it becomes a trend, your services are simply no longer required. Of course we're all dudes right? Which means my tolerance for your tardiness is directly proportional to how hot you are. LOL 😁

[+ DrownedBoy]

23 hours ago, ThroatCummer said:

Which  means my tolerance for your tardiness is directly proportional to how hot you are. LOL 

😁

Ha! When I dropped a regular for constant tardiness,  I really wanted to say:

"You know, if you had worked out and rebuilt your pre-pandemic muscles and improved your attitude,  you might have gotten away with it."

[+ glennnnn]

Some of us here have reported Chronically late providers without naming names. why? How will they learn if their only negative reinforcement is the loss of one gig or even a client. Should  inconsiderate, unprofessional behavior be tacitly accepted by protecting the perps who are stealing the most precious resource of all. ...time?

If it's a real repeated problem  call him out.

 

[+ DrownedBoy]

On 11/28/2022 at 6:34 PM, glennnnn said:

Some of us here have reported Chronically late providers without naming names. why? How will they learn if their only negative reinforcement is the loss of one gig or even a client. Should  inconsiderate, unprofessional behavior be tacitly accepted by protecting the perps who are stealing the most precious resource of all. ...time?

If it's a real repeated problem  call him out.

 

Oh the guy I let go left RM shortly after. Apparently he ticked someone else off, someone with less patience, who one-starred him.