Are Rates Raising?

[+ Tygerscent]

It’s actually dangerous when Clients or competitive Escorts drive the market prices down~ See “London”

[jeezifonly]

Additional at-home revenue, working with other pre-screened beauties making content. ***JustOnly4Fanz*** 

Not going away. Big studios being replaced. In-person with someone who’s not a pre-screened beauty will have to pay “at least…$__________”

Free market. Charge what they’re willing to pay with a grimace. 

[+ Tygerscent]

28 minutes ago, jeezifonly said:

Additional at-home revenue, working with other pre-screened beauties making content. ***JustOnly4Fanz*** 

Not going away. Big studios being replaced. In-person with someone who’s not a pre-screened beauty will have to pay “at least…$__________”

Free market. Charge what they’re willing to pay with a grimace. 

Yes… The onlyfans and forfansonly type sites are changing the industry~ It’s more multifaceted than what strictly the adult porn industry has previously offered~ There are many more entrepreneurs out there and they are not only the employee but, the employer~ 

 It makes sense that these venues would put a lot of pressure on studios, if not drive them down further into struggle but, also I can see a future tax dilemma: these entrepreneurs may be seen as taxable interests where their liability falls more into the category of the “gig worker” who is also taxed not only as an employee but, an employer of their own self. (33% tax liability). 
 These new models put a lot of individual competition out there but, also raise the bar with regard to the quality of the products that they are promoting. Some people get creative and do things that aren’t necessarily sexual. There’s a lot to be explored and there’s a lot of room for growth in that particular industry. I can imagine the potential of studios trying to incorporate those venues into their own or find a way to take them over on some corporate level. 
 The entrepreneurialism of it excites me personally. I favor these people being their own small businesses… (In contrast, porn stars rarely receive more then a check and 1099-misc that they owe tax on). Some of these OF providers are not even so small. There’s a lot of people out there making some hefty financial future for themselves.
 The change may do the industry good~ 

 People were doing this sort of thing on Tik Tok etc., promoting themselves and offering tiers of viewer privilege at variable cost to the viewer~ Now it’s becoming more sophisticated~ 
 Since the old school models are not allowed to list prices for their services, these newer venues allow for that to be more visible and may help to develop, (or rather standardize), that industries fees. 

 It’s an entertaining thought that these new venues could potentially help move the adult and Provider industry into one that is considered legal and taxable… Let people run their own business and pay some tax on it but, have it be treated and legally protected as a legitimate and legal enterprise. 
The old school models do not readily move the industry in that direction. In fact, it is more often than not that they drive the industry in opposite direction, (in this country).

Edited January 7, 2022 by Tygerscent

[Jamie21]

9 hours ago, Tygerscent said:

I don’t think so unless things like airfare, hotel, fuel, airplane fuel, food expenses, gym expenses, clothing expenses, transportation, internet, medical care and insurance, supply of basic goods and other services go down~ 

They do go down. The oil price goes up and down all the time in response to changes in supply and demand. So do air fares. Clothing too. Gym’s have new cheaper operators come into the market. The only thing that never seems to go down is medical care but that’s because there’s virtually unlimited demand as people live longer and we treat more conditions. 

[Jamie21]

8 hours ago, Tygerscent said:

could potentially help move the adult and Provider industry into one that is considered legal and taxable… Let people run their own business and pay some tax on it but, have it be treated and legally protected as a legitimate and legal enterprise.

I think the industry is already considered legal and taxable? I have a justforfans site. It makes a reasonable return after costs. My other income is as a provider but the justforfans is a good sideline. It’s all legal and taxable here ….being a sex worker and publishing porn is legal here in UK as long as it’s all done properly and consensual with ID checked and releases completed etc. It’s run as my own business and the revenue is taxed income. 

[+ Tygerscent]

3 hours ago, Jamie21 said:

I think the industry is already considered legal and taxable? I have a justforfans site. It makes a reasonable return after costs. My other income is as a provider but the justforfans is a good sideline. It’s all legal and taxable here ….being a sex worker and publishing porn is legal here in UK as long as it’s all done properly and consensual with ID checked and releases completed etc. It’s run as my own business and the revenue is taxed income. 

The states need need move in that direction 

[Jamie21]

2 hours ago, Tygerscent said:

The states need need move in that direction 

The UK government is quite happy to collect the taxes, it’s not too bothered about how it’s earned 😂

[+ Tygerscent]

5 hours ago, Jamie21 said:

The UK government is quite happy to collect the taxes, it’s not too bothered about how it’s earned 😂

 

[Jarrod_Uncut]

On 1/1/2022 at 3:32 PM, WorthJayson said:

I'm just curious as I'm noticing a trend. It seems like the per hour rates of hiring a provider is steadily creeping up. A couple of years ago $250 - $300 seemed like a pretty universal rate, but now I'm noticing a lot of guys are starting at $350 - $400. Am I being insane for balking at that price especially for guys who're just starting out? By all means, set your rate at whatever you want that's your business, I'm just curious as to the reason/is that a trend? I'm in Dallas for context. 

 

On 1/1/2022 at 7:43 PM, keroscenefire said:

Yeah I think $300-$350 is a lot more common these days. I agree with Benjamin...definitely worth it if the guy is great. 

 

On 1/3/2022 at 12:04 PM, Lucky said:

I have adeptly avoided the price increases! I simply stopped hiring.

 

On 1/3/2022 at 2:49 PM, marylander1940 said:

If some escort asks for X and a client is willing to pay that is for a reason. 

If an escort realizes he'd make more with another job is up to him to change his rates, move to another city or simply get out of the business like so many sooner or later do. 

Just quoting all 4, as there's a lot of "stop and think" quotes here. For one, I didn't really realize $300-400 was "becoming" the norm. However, I think it'll help to first stop and take into context where this "norm" is coming from. If you're talking about New York/L.A. maybe. But that's defintely not the case in interior America (and Texas/Dallas isn't really a great example of that because Dallas/Houston have technically become the "new California" every since the 2008 recession).

Hell, you'd be lucky to get $250 in places like Kansas City and St. Louis. People out here aren't even paying for shit to begin with. And like Lucky and Marylander said, I really do feel in some markets, clients aren't even hiring anymore. I think the last time I even had a "new" client in Kansas City was December 9th. Granted I've been out of town at least a couple of times since then. But I've had several "attempted" clients in the area who have proven to be full of shit or waste of time, or like the one from Saturday: quote my rate and they whine that it's too much. What the fuck were you expecting me to say, $100? These people have no fucking clue.

And I told RentMen that in an email the other day, the clients contacting us on there are clueless. Clueless about rates, clueless about travel cities, clueless about how to even communicate initially partly because they haven't done enough. And because they haven't done enough, that's why I haven't renewed my ad yet, and have simply come out with my own website. JarrodBrandon.com.

This year, I'm not playing anymore games. It's definently going to be time to change cities and change markets. I deserve to be somewhere that I can be felt respected and appreciated. It doesn't have to be $400, but at least have some clients who have the decency to follow thru when they contact. 

 

[Jarrod_Uncut]

But to answer the question: even though the reasons for raising rates are apparent, I don't think this would be a good time to do it. I don't believe I can reach enough clients at $350-400, especially again...in smaller middle America markets. 

It also bears repeating: these "new providers" are just that. Rookies. They aren't looking to sustain themselves from the business. They are looking for get rich quick shit. I had to dump a friend for that very reason, he spent all our time talking about how this date and that date he went on the guy had money and paid for all his shit. I was like, dude, I'm so fucking tired of listening to your quest to find a millionaire. He might as well have been a sex worker, yet criticizes me. 

This is not just about rates. It's about our culture seeing RentMen as some temporary extra cash thing in addition to their normal job. This has negatively impacted the industry because many clients operate in a way that shows 0 fucking respect and acknowledgment for those of us who do this full time. So many times I hear clients who think I'm just doing this for the hell of it, so that's why they thought it would be "okay" to flake out. 

[marylander1940]

7 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

 

 

 

Just quoting all 4, as there's a lot of "stop and think" quotes here. For one, I didn't really realize $300-400 was "becoming" the norm. However, I think it'll help to first stop and take into context where this "norm" is coming from. If you're talking about New York/L.A. maybe. But that's defintely not the case in interior America (and Texas/Dallas isn't really a great example of that because Dallas/Houston have technically become the "new California" every since the 2008 recession).

Hell, you'd be lucky to get $250 in places like Kansas City and St. Louis. People out here aren't even paying for shit to begin with. And like Lucky and Marylander said, I really do feel in some markets, clients aren't even hiring anymore. I think the last time I even had a "new" client in Kansas City was December 9th. Granted I've been out of town at least a couple of times since then. But I've had several "attempted" clients in the area who have proven to be full of shit or waste of time, or like the one from Saturday: quote my rate and they whine that it's too much. What the fuck were you expecting me to say, $100? These people have no fucking clue.

And I told RentMen that in an email the other day, the clients contacting us on there are clueless. Clueless about rates, clueless about travel cities, clueless about how to even communicate initially partly because they haven't done enough. And because they haven't done enough, that's why I haven't renewed my ad yet, and have simply come out with my own website. JarrodBrandon.com.

This year, I'm not playing anymore games. It's definently going to be time to change cities and change markets. I deserve to be somewhere that I can be felt respected and appreciated. It doesn't have to be $400, but at least have some clients who have the decency to follow thru when they contact. 

 

Are you thinking about moving out of town again?

[Jarrod_Uncut]

2 hours ago, marylander1940 said:

Are you thinking about moving out of town again?

Again? I’ve never stopped thinking about it lol. It’s just I’ve had my hands on a couple different projects over the past few months. 

[TruHart1]

Long time client here (hiring for 11+ years!) and I’ve just had a very unique experience with a new escort. Upon first contact by text, he quoted a fee of $350/hour. I agreed to that, though it’s at the upper limit of what I’m willing to pay! I must say here that this escort is a porn actor, so I knew that he actually looked like the pictures he had on his RentMen ad!

Some circumstances came into play that kept our planned session from happening, so we texted about possible scenarios for future get-together dates which would work for both of us. In the process of texting about this, we talked about many personal matters and, although it rarely happens when communicating by text, we both expressed that we felt as if we’d actually found a mutual friendship developing between us!

Long story short, when we actually decided on a time to meet and set it up, he indicated that he wanted to knock off $50/hour so I’d only pay $300/hour for the session! I thought him very generous, because I don’t EVER haggle with an escort over his fee.

At the actual meeting, everything was as I’d hoped for and much, much more. Feeling as if we already knew each other quite well, our emotional connection was special enough that we made plans for him to become a regular, whom I would plan to see whenever he could make it to my area. He explained that his fee structure was set up so that he charged more for first-time appointments with new clients. Then, if there was a good connection with the client, he’d charge less for future sessions!

After we were finished and cleaned up, as I was getting ready to leave, he told me that he wanted to lower his fee for me to $250/hour in future meetings! That’s definitely a first for me. Maybe because both the escort and I live in the Midwest, fee structure is a bit lower than in the really large metropolitan areas, or maybe just because of our affinity for each other, he decided to do this for me? I don’t know why, but he truly made my night, and I felt supremely lucky that I’d met someone who made me feel so special! He’s a keeper!!!

TruHart1 😎

 

[+ tassojunior]

My several close escort friends all have experienced some decline in business because of covid caution from clients. I haven't asked about their rates changing. 

Supply-side I'd say there's a shortage after two years of closed gyms and streaming benders of good-looking guys without love handles or worse.  

[Jarrod_Uncut]

On 2/7/2022 at 5:35 PM, tassojunior said:

My several close escort friends all have experienced some decline in business because of covid caution from clients. I haven't asked about their rates changing. 

Supply-side I'd say there's a shortage after two years of closed gyms and streaming benders of good-looking guys without love handles or worse.  

Curious: what area have gyms been closed for 2 years? In many areas in the Midwest they closed for like 2 weeks back in 2020. Pretty much all hotel gyms I’ve gone to are back up and running.

That said there’s a lot more questions about am I vaccinated. I just got another dose 💉 last week…even though I and a few others I know were ill towards end of last year. 

I should also mention; Covid seems to be the latest fashionable excuse at times to flake on a booking. I only say because a client admitted that to me couple weeks ago. Last minute jitters. But we ultimately linked up.

[+ tassojunior]

2 minutes ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

Curious: what area have gyms been closed for 2 years? In many areas in the Midwest they closed for like 2 weeks back in 2020. Pretty much all hotel gyms I’ve gone to are back up and running.

That said there’s a lot more questions about am I vaccinated. I just got another dose 💉 last week…even though I and a few others I know were ill towards end of last year. 

I should also mention; Covid seems to be the latest fashionable excuse at times to flake on a booking. I only say because a client admitted that to me couple weeks ago. Last minute jitters. But we ultimately linked up.

Gyms just reopened in Czech and many other European countries. Here in DC they were closed or very limited most of last year and 2020. I can see reluctance to hire in a pandemic. But it looks like this spring and summer will be more normal. 

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

2 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

Curious: what area have gyms been closed for 2 years? In many areas in the Midwest they closed for like 2 weeks back in 2020. Pretty much all hotel gyms I’ve gone to are back up and running.

Agree.

Even during the worst of lockdown, there was always a way to stay in shape.

People willfully stopped giving a shit about their health.  They just used COVID as the excuse.

[marylander1940]

On 2/7/2022 at 5:35 PM, tassojunior said:

My several close escort friends all have experienced some decline in business because of covid caution from clients. I haven't asked about their rates changing. 

Supply-side I'd say there's a shortage after two years of closed gyms and streaming benders of good-looking guys without love handles or worse.  

there are more and more available clients now even young guys tired of Grindr fatigue and most people have saved money.

Agreed! Supply and demand! 

[Jarrod_Uncut]

On 2/9/2022 at 11:11 AM, Benjamin_Nicholas said:

Agree.

Even during the worst of lockdown, there was always a way to stay in shape.

People willfully stopped giving a shit about their health.  They just used COVID as the excuse.

That is true…Considering the lockdowns happened in March-May 2020, it was a perfect season for many to utilize the ole high school track. I was actually fine because it gave me an excuse to not workout and focus only on jogging the track lol. 
 

But: to some degree, having hotel gyms closed and regular gyms/personal trainers out did affect things for many. Even though the small towns in Missouri only closed for a measly 2 weeks (as if it was just a bad case of stomach flu and would go away that quickly 🙄 I realize some states did endure longer closings. Or, it was mask only exercising.

I had to do that in Santa Fe last year: 7,000 ft elevation and trying to workout with a mask on: No fun.

[BonVivant]

On 1/1/2022 at 8:00 PM, Benjamin_Nicholas said:

This subject is brought up monthly. Perhaps it's time to roll them all into one gigantic, comical masterthread. 

Inflation, especially for escorts living in major cities, is a reality.  Clients might not like it, but rates will continue to rise as cost of living increases. 

$300/hr is quite normal. $350-400 for a stellar, well-reviewed guy isn't unreasonable. 

 

Yup. What h/she said. ☝️

[polydoron1977]

I have no problem paying premium rates for quality services. Professionals earn their income, and I am happy to compensate them appropriately. 

[rustyrex]

On 2/7/2022 at 4:15 PM, TruHart1 said:

Long time client here (hiring for 11+ years!) and I’ve just had a very unique experience with a new escort. Upon first contact by text, he quoted a fee of $350/hour. I agreed to that, though it’s at the upper limit of what I’m willing to pay! I must say here that this escort is a porn actor, so I knew that he actually looked like the pictures he had on his RentMen ad!

Some circumstances came into play that kept our planned session from happening, so we texted about possible scenarios for future get-together dates which would work for both of us. In the process of texting about this, we talked about many personal matters and, although it rarely happens when communicating by text, we both expressed that we felt as if we’d actually found a mutual friendship developing between us!

Long story short, when we actually decided on a time to meet and set it up, he indicated that he wanted to knock off $50/hour so I’d only pay $300/hour for the session! I thought him very generous, because I don’t EVER haggle with an escort over his fee.

At the actual meeting, everything was as I’d hoped for and much, much more. Feeling as if we already knew each other quite well, our emotional connection was special enough that we made plans for him to become a regular, whom I would plan to see whenever he could make it to my area. He explained that his fee structure was set up so that he charged more for first-time appointments with new clients. Then, if there was a good connection with the client, he’d charge less for future sessions!

After we were finished and cleaned up, as I was getting ready to leave, he told me that he wanted to lower his fee for me to $250/hour in future meetings! That’s definitely a first for me. Maybe because both the escort and I live in the Midwest, fee structure is a bit lower than in the really large metropolitan areas, or maybe just because of our affinity for each other, he decided to do this for me? I don’t know why, but he truly made my night, and I felt supremely lucky that I’d met someone who made me feel so special! He’s a keeper!!!

TruHart1 😎

 

If a provider were offering that to me, I’d tell him, “you just got yourself a new regular!” Once a month minimum.

[TruHart1]

54 minutes ago, rustyrex said:

If a provider were offering that to me, I’d tell him, “you just got yourself a new regular!” Once a month minimum.

He has definitely become one of my regulars!!! After the extremely enjoyable, hot session he provided to me in bed that first time, I would have made him a regular at his original asking price point of $350/hour! At $250/hour, I feel like I won the “escort lottery!” 😉

Once a month minimum? I hope to enjoy his fine ass two, or even three times a month! I am really looking forward to how this sexual adventure with another extremely enjoyable escort plays out - hopefully over the next few years!!!

TruHart1 😎

[TruHart1]

11 hours ago, Lucky said:

So maybe rates are not "raising" anymore?..

Let’s not forget that this particular escort has a completely unique business model in that he charges a higher fee for first appointments, but if the client and he “click” in their first meeting, he lowers his fees for future sessions! I have never met an escort before who knocked off $100/hour after an initially successful first meeting!

This escort is, as I stated above, a man who has done, and continues to do, online porn shoots, so his original quote of $350/hour, though at the upper limit of what I’m willing to pay, did not put me off at all! Him being based in the Midwest and regularly and periodically visiting my Midwestern area, may also be a factor in that business model of his.

In addition, and this is very unusual in my experience, I feel this escort and I developed an extremely strong connection when we were communicating via text before we were ever able to meet IRL! I felt I had come to know the man as a friend before our first meeting and therefore we both felt immensely comfortable with each other when we finally got together! This might have been a factor in what his fees are for time spent with me now, too. He’s definitely the exception!

TruHart1 😎

[Kcdave]

I’m in both Kansas City and St. Louis. I’m not as much concerned about the pricing as I am scheduling. Perhaps I wait too late to schedule.   But I always seem unable to book far enough in-advance to make it work.

I only want to meet with people who have prior reviews. It makes it a lot easier to have a great session 

 

Edited February 21, 2022 by Kcdave