Rudynate Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 On 10/6/2021 at 5:28 PM, nycman said: It’s not my thing, but to each his own. In my book the greater evil is the thought police. I am my own thought police. + nycman and TumYum 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudynate Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 On 10/6/2021 at 12:54 PM, Benjamin_Nicholas said: As long as two people are consenting, it's not problematic. And it's not for us to judge if that's the case. Bringing 'woke' culture to consensual sex is a fucking crime. That's interesting - woke culture has its place? It seems that woke culture comes out of a recognition that all have value and all should recognize the value of others. So, being a decent person is something that's being shoved down your throat? Sad!! My believe is that woke culture needs to supplant mainstream culture. Marc in Calif and + Lucky 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ BenjaminNicholas Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Rudynate said: That's interesting - woke culture has its place? It seems that woke culture comes out of a recognition that all have value and all should recognize the value of others. So, being a decent person is something that's being shoved down your throat? Sad!! My believe is that woke culture needs to supplant mainstream culture. Uh huh. The spin on this thread is dizzying. Marc in Calif, BtmBearDad and LFABWC 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ nycman Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 4 hours ago, Rudynate said: I am my own thought police. No one has a problem with you being your own thought police. I have a problem with anyone being anyone else’s thought police. + BenjaminNicholas, NYMassageAddict, thomas and 6 others 4 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudynate Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 On 10/21/2021 at 11:59 AM, nycman said: No one has a problem with you being your own thought police. I have a problem with anyone being anyone else’s thought police. My point was, in stating that I am my own thought police, I dont really care about external thought police because I'm happy to take responsibility for my own thoughts. + BenjaminNicholas 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudynate Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 On 10/21/2021 at 10:54 AM, Benjamin_Nicholas said: Uh huh. The spin on this thread is dizzying. I know that the nuttiest of the Republicans give the concept a pejorative meaning, but I didn't realize that anybody else did. Marc in Calif 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ BenjaminNicholas Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 5 hours ago, Rudynate said: I know that the nuttiest of the Republicans give the concept a pejorative meaning, but I didn't realize that anybody else did. Spin isn't always a bad thing. It's situational, really. It can be used for purposes of good (and crisis management). Ultimately, I may not always agree with someone, but damned if I'll lose sleep over thinking that I'm right. This is the internet. How boring this place would be if we all agreed Rudynate 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ Lucky Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 14 minutes ago, Benjamin_Nicholas said: How boring this place would be if we all agreed How boring friendships would be if we all agreed. marylander1940 and BtmBearDad 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rn901 Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 (edited) Complicated topic but the focus is only on the white guys "living out their fantasy" and whether that is right. However by objecting to this consensual private bedroom activity, you're also saying asian men who enjoy this do not have a right to live out their fantasy either. They are to be denied their own agency and decision making in this conversation. By arguing against asian men having the right to do what they please, you are also pathologizing them. Essentially you're saying there must be something wrong with them if they enjoy this fetish? You're arguing against their autonomy and agency as much as anyone else's. Not so sure calling asian men who enjoy this fetish to be mentally ill is particularly antiracist. Degradation and humilation in BDSM often involves language that is homophobic and misogynistic "f*ggot, b*tch, c*nt". Those being into it also wanting to try racial degradation doesn't seem too far of a stretch from that. It might make us uncomfortable, but policing what other people do consensually in their private sex lives or pathologizing men of color who enjoy such fetishes doesn't strike as particularly progressive either. Who are we to make decisions for other people with what they can and cannot do consensually? Edited October 27, 2021 by rn901 + Pensant, LFABWC, mike carey and 2 others 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rn901 Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 (edited) On 10/6/2021 at 8:36 AM, TumYum said: ummmhhh.... yeahhhh..... i don't want to be seen as getting on any high horses here.... or come off as self-satisfied or smug, BUT..... this is kind of problematic to me. i live part of every year in southeast asia and my academic work is based on ethnographic work in bangkok and manila and i see in all too real terms the consequences of white people acting out their fantasies on asian people i know this is in the FETISH category, but let me just say that actions (and words) have real consequences, even if done in the spirit of play. It wasn't too long ago when second-wave feminists were wanting to ban pornography because they were claiming that they were seeing in all too real terms the consequences of people being able to live out their fantasies of any sexual degradation. They made the claim that degrading pornography was responsible for violence against women and perpetuating sexist views in society. That kind of argument is a slippery slope and history has shown the all too real consequences when you start censoring and restricting people's consenting sexual practices. Andrea Dworkin arguing that "pornography happens to women" Edited October 27, 2021 by rn901 Danny-Darko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudynate Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 4 hours ago, rn901 said: Complicated topic but the focus is only on the white guys "living out their fantasy" and whether that is right. However by objecting to this consensual private bedroom activity, you're also saying asian men who enjoy this do not have a right to live out their fantasy either. They are to be denied their own agency and decision making in this conversation. By arguing against asian men having the right to do what they please, you are also pathologizing them. Essentially you're saying there must be something wrong with them if they enjoy this fetish? You're arguing against their autonomy and agency as much as anyone else's. Not so sure calling asian men who enjoy this fetish to be mentally ill is particularly antiracist. Degradation and humilation in BDSM often involves language that is homophobic and misogynistic "f*ggot, b*tch, c*nt". Those being into it also wanting to try racial degradation doesn't seem too far of a stretch from that. It might make us uncomfortable, but policing what other people do consensually in their private sex lives or pathologizing men of color who enjoy such fetishes doesn't strike as particularly progressive either. Who are we to make decisions for other people with what they can and cannot do consensually? Who said anybody was policing anybody? When I was asked to participate in race play scenes, I just said no that I wasn't comfortable with it. I certainly have that right. And they have the right to engage in race play if they want, just not with me. + Lucky and Redwine56 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rn901 Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Rudynate said: Who said anybody was policing anybody? When I was asked to participate in race play scenes, I just said no that I wasn't comfortable with it. I certainly have that right. And they have the right to engage in race play if they want, just not with me. The conversation began as a condemnation of the fetish outright for anyone who participates and saying the op has something wrong with them. Others said that the asian men who enjoy this fetish have something wrong with them as well. By all means, you do what you are comfortable with. I don't think anyone was disputing that? Condemning the whole fetish though and saying it perpetuates racism/oppression in society, as a host of others were saying on this thread, isn't too far off from the second wave feminists who said the same thing in past decades up to today about how pornography and bdsm perpetuate sexism and sexual violence. Condemning any consenting sexual activity between fully consenting adults doesn't strike me as progressive, but restrictive and reactionary. It seems puritanical more than it is woke. Edited October 27, 2021 by rn901 mike carey, latinobttm, LFABWC and 1 other 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixpack Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 On 10/7/2021 at 10:14 AM, TumYum said: there is a person with a frequent presence on the Board who addressed an Asian ex-member as "Boy"... to pretend that objectification of Asians and Asian-Americans is not a real problem is a problem But you yourself pay hot Filipinos for your pleasure so what’s the issue Danny-Darko, Marc in Calif and LFABWC 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ sync Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 18 minutes ago, Sixpack said: But you yourself pay hot Filipinos for your pleasure so what’s the issue If you are unable to distinguish the difference between engaging hot Filipino providers for physical pleasure from the willful racist demeaning of Asians and Asian-Americans collectively that is the subject of this thread, I don't believe you have a valid understanding of the issue. + Lucky, TumYum and Marc in Calif 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixpack Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 59 minutes ago, sync said: If you are unable to distinguish the difference between engaging hot Filipino providers for physical pleasure from the willful racist demeaning of Asians and Asian-Americans collectively that is the subject of this thread, I don't believe you have a valid understanding of the issue. Well when you pay for pleasure you are engaging in demeaning acts too Marc in Calif, LFABWC and Danny-Darko 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ sync Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 1 minute ago, Sixpack said: Well when you pay for pleasure you are engaging in demeaning acts too I could not disagree with you more, but I will respect your opinion. marylander1940 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudynate Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 12 minutes ago, Sixpack said: Well when you pay for pleasure you are engaging in demeaning acts too Do you engage in demeaning acts also? If so, why do you subject yourself to that? Don't you matter more than that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixpack Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 14 minutes ago, Rudynate said: Do you engage in demeaning acts also? If so, why do you subject yourself to that? Don't you matter more than that? I am a whore for Asian cock so I do what I please LFABWC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ BenjaminNicholas Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Sixpack said: I am a whore for Asian cock so I do what I please Again, we need this phrase on a variety of merch, stat. thomas, marylander1940, + nycman and 2 others 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixpack Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 31 minutes ago, Benjamin_Nicholas said: Again, we need this phrase on a variety of merch, stat. They know I get on my knees for them and vice versa they love White cock Danny-Darko and LFABWC 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kxev Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 This is a self harming fetish. And also does real world harm through raceplay social media and porn. White men who are into this, do you have some form of white supremacy and racial issues you need to resolve. TumYum, + Lucky and RandyVue 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyVue Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 (edited) Honest quiestion: What is it about demeaning Asians that turns you on??? Edited October 31, 2021 by RandyVue TumYum, Marc in Calif and + Lucky 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ nycman Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 10 hours ago, Kxev said: And also does real world harm…. The same illogical statement has been made about gay men having sex. Policing other people’s thoughts and private activities is a dangerous game folks. rn901, LFABWC, BtmBearDad and 3 others 3 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ Lucky Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 (edited) I think having a fetish for Asian men is okay, but it would be great if you had Asian friends too. If not, then it does suggest that they might just be sex objects to you, some form of a lesser human, only suitable for sex. Edited October 31, 2021 by Lucky Rudynate and marylander1940 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ BenjaminNicholas Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 16 hours ago, Lucky said: I think having a fetish for Asian men is okay, but it would be great if you had Asian friends too. If not, then it does suggest that they might just be sex objects to you, some form of a lesser human, only suitable for sex. Sorta like the way some guys here talk about escorts... Like they're just made to fuck, but forget that there's an actual human being underneath. TumYum, MmM, beachboy and 6 others 6 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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