Sensual vs Erotic

[Hathor]

I think there's a big misunderstanding between sensual and erotic massage particularly when looking for a great happy end. I have found that sensual is just a clothed masseur teases you prior to jerk you off, while erotic is naked or nearly and actual sex included (oral or otherwise). Have you been "deceived" by letting you think one outcome and it turns out the other. Should we say something before starting or after we get hard, making sure we get what we are expecting?

[Mustang]

I think these terms are very open to interpretation by both parties.

[erickgreynolds]

I usually stand outside the spa and shout at the door, “I expected bareback anal from a big dicked masseur, please confirm to me that you guarantee those terms.”

Then I make them confirm on camera before even entering the spa.

I also demand to see the masseur’s junk before accepting them.

I mean I AM paying.

[+ LodoB]

Tricky territory. The definitions of Therapeutic Massage, Sensual Massage and Erotic Massage vary widely from masseur to masseur and likely from client to client. It’s best to ask the masseur the difference between them so you know what to expect.

To me, therapeutic massage should provide therapeutic benefits, ease tense muscles, break up knots, and generally be a legit massage rather than a weak unskilled body rub. Draping and nudity will vary by masseur.

Sensual massage may or may not be therapeutic in nature but should definitely go beyond the normal touch boundaries of a therapeutic massage, freely venturing and exploring inner thighs, groin, balls, cock and nips. Nudity would be the norm, in my opinion.

When MasseurFinder explicitly listed the 3 categories of massage, their Help section defined Sensual Massage as being sensual to the point of causing arousal, even sustained arousal, but in so many words — without a happy ending. They left the HE to be part of their Erotic Massage definition, saying EM goes beyond causing arousal — basically a Happy Ending.

IMHO I believe it’s acceptable to expect HE during erotic massage but one should never expect sex as part of it. That is more commonly escort territory and while many escorts advertise as masseurs, even then sex should not be assumed to be included in erotic massage hire. If a masseur decides to offer sex — oral or other — that’s their choice but sex should never be assumed as included.

As stated earlier, it’s best to ask the masseur so you can manage your expectations.

Edited September 1, 2021 by LodoB

[jeezifonly]

This is why you hire an escort who has good reviews for his bodywork. I like 45 min massage followed by 45 of other touch - 90 min at escort rate. Not sure? Hire from his masseur page a for 60m sensual. If that goes well, then hire him for the upgrade in time and service.

[pubic_assistance]

On 9/1/2021 at 7:23 PM, LodoB said:

I believe it’s acceptable to expect HE during erotic massage but one should never expect sex as part of it.

I agree with LodoB on all points.

There is no absolute line on any of this...but to say that if you expect S E X from a masseur, for the price of a massage you're going to be sadly disappointed.

[+ azdr0710]

Been discussed here in the forum since the early days of the W administration. 

Still no consensus, evidently. 

[rvwnsd]

There's a sure-fie way to find out what a provider will and will not do during a therapeutic vs sensual vs erotic massage.

[+ nycman]

2 hours ago, azdr0710 said:

Been discussed here in the forum since the early days of the W administration.

And by "W administration"…he means the "Woodrow Wilson administration".

[Jamie21]

Just ask. 
I charge by the inch. If you pay for 7 inches then you get the 8th inch free. 

[CMail01]

I think there will never be a definitive answer on the differences, unless at the providers’ next annual convention they hold a vote. It’s up to the provider and what HE thinks are the definitions and what he wants especially at the moment the massage is happening. I think our perceptions are shaped by the first time we said, “I’m going to try a sensual massage,” and what we got, and during the next successive ones. 

[+ nycman]

10 hours ago, CMail01 said:

unless at the providers’ next annual convention they hold a vote…..

Please, they can’t even get a simple vote on "how to measure penis length correctly"
or "what exactly do the terms top, bottom, and verse mean?"  You think they’re
ever gonna get around to defining such vague things as "sensual" versus "erotic"?

You’re dreaming. 

[maninsoma]

I think the only clear misrepresentations occur when a masseur advertises an erotic massage and then remains fully clothed and doesn't do anything outside of what a therapeutic masseur would do.  Beyond that, if you want to know what an erotic massage from a specific provider is going to entail then ask.  As others have written, however, consider it a bonus if a masseur wants to have sex with you beyond giving you a happy ending with his hand.  Hire an escort at escort rates if you want more.

Edited September 11, 2021 by maninsoma
correct typo

[pubic_assistance]

14 hours ago, maninsoma said:

Hire an escort at escort rates if you want more.

An often repeated mantra of mine, on the subject. I've read way too many comments about being disappointed by the lack of sexuality when hiring a masseur. Although plenty of escorts disguise themselves as body workers, you can't just assume that's what you're hiring and go for the full service portion when it's NOT on the menu !

Edited September 12, 2021 by pubic_assistance

[+ nycman]

Whenever I hire a massage therapist I go in with the attitude that it’s just a massage. 
If more happens, great. If not, cool. That way I’m never disappointed. Frustrated?
Oh maybe, just a little, on occasion but not really. If getting off is really that important 
to me then I just hire an escort. And as we all know, even that can be hit or miss. 

Am I likely to rehire a massage therapist who advertises as sensual or erotic and never 
disrobes and never touches my cock? No, but that’s his loss and I’m sure he’s already 
done the math on that one. I just chalk it up to experience and move on. 

[Jamie21]

It’s false advertising if you promote yourself as a sensual or erotic masseur and don’t even get naked. 
What I’m selling is a sensual massage, that means I’m naked and so are you. And you’re welcome to interact with me as much or as little as you like. 

[pubic_assistance]

30 minutes ago, Jamie21 said:

What I’m selling is a sensual massage, that means I’m naked and so are you. And you’re welcome to interact with me as much or as little as you like. 

...and I wouldn't ever define a "sensual MASSAGE" as: no holds barred naked interaction. And I would say that even those advertising "erotic" massage aren't expected to provide the level of interaction you mention.

Edited September 12, 2021 by pubic_assistance
grammar

[+ not2rowdy]

Although not universally adopted here is a link to 70+ massage modularity descriptions. Maybe send the link to your prospective provider and ask them to confirm their areas of expertise. If nothing else it may help separate the actual trained masseur from the “body rub” provider.

https://www.massageexchange.com/tips/modalities.asp

[Mydavid]

4 hours ago, Jamie21 said:

It’s false advertising if you promote yourself as a sensual or erotic masseur and don’t even get naked. 
What I’m selling is a sensual massage, that means I’m naked and so are you. And you’re welcome to interact with me as much or as little as you like. 

And what about erotic?

[Jamie21]

4 hours ago, Mydavid said:

And what about erotic?

Same. Everyone has different interpretations of these massages and what they include but I think a minimum requirement of both sensual and erotic is that the masseur is naked for at least part of the massage. Their client will be so it’s only reasonable for the masseur to at least be naked.

[pubic_assistance]

4 hours ago, Jamie21 said:

"I think a minimum requirement of both sensual and erotic is that the masseur is naked for at least part of the massage".

Not my experience at all.

Erotic - yes

Sensual - no. That's usually the dividing line between the definitions .

[+ EVdude]

2 hours ago, pubic_assistance said:

Not my experience at all.

Erotic - yes

Sensual - no. That's usually the dividing line between the definitions .

Yep, I’ve had plenty of uber sensual massages without the masseur being in his birthday suit.

[Jamie21]

2 hours ago, EVdude said:

Yep, I’ve had plenty of uber sensual massages without the masseur being in his birthday suit.

Oh I’m over delivering then 🙂

[pubic_assistance]

6 hours ago, Jamie21 said:

Oh I’m over delivering then 🙂

You're gonna consistently be disappointed if your expectations are so far outside the norm. "Sensual" massage is about touching YOU, not interactive touching. Shirt off typically...but pants off ? NO.

[maninsoma]

24 minutes ago, pubic_assistance said:

You're gonna consistently be disappointed if your expectations are so far outside the norm. "Sensual" massage is about touching YOU, not interactive touching. Shirt off typically...but pants off ? NO.

I'm a bit confused by your responses to Jamie21.  You do realize he is a provider, not a client, right?  He is saying what he provides, not what he expects.  I agree with him that he is perhaps over-delivering if by "interact with me as much or as little as you like" he means the client can expect full service at a lower-than-full-escort rate.  Not that I mind that as a client and some masseurs I've hired have had sex with me (at their initiation, not mine) when I contacted them for erotic massages.  I certainly don't expect anything other than mutual masturbation and all over touching when hiring an erotic masseur, though.