Lots of people are still hooking up

[Monarchy79]

So basically what you're saying is:

 

It's irresponsible and insulting to be available to the clients who have look us up, and contacted us prior, during and after the inception of this pandemic, because we provided them with a welcome escape from reality for a mere hour or 2 of time?

 

Last time I checked, I thought what we did with our bodies was between 2 or more consenting adults? It's akin to saying how dare someone become a bartender and serve drinks...that's irresponsible and insulting to all the people who have been killed due to drunk drivers and overdoses.

 

It must be extremely insulting considering liquor stores are still operating as essential businesses right now. It would be like me condemning the makers of Jameson Irish Whisky, or the car manufacturer Infiniti for a crash that took my friend’s life away a couple years ago:

 

 

Everybody has a right to free will and choice. 2 people who choose to hookup and have sex in the privacy of their own home, is not going to make or break the fate of society. If that was the case, people would be practicing abstinence before this, considering the abundance of STD and infectious diseases that have been around.

 

I personally agree with many of your posts, and have a lot of respect for your opinion as a regular poster on this site, but I have to tell ya....

 

You are off base.

 

Displacing blatant sexual irresponsibility, by making comparisons of acts of free will is a very clever debating tactic, but in reality, it’s a weak attempt at excusing one’s careless behavior.

 

Having liquor stores open allows people to stay home, and have some type of relief from this stressful time.

 

However, practicing direct physical acts of “personal” services, is just about as blatantly careless, and selfish, as those spring breakers who partied all over Florida.

 

As we’re trying our best to practice social distancing, this is definitely NOT the time to use “sex positivity”, as a means of backing up ones “rights” to willingly spread a virus that there’s no cure for that’s killing people within DAYS.

 

The only acts of sex that should be promoted in the realm of “sex positivity”, and “sexual freedom” at this point is:

1.) masturbation

2.) virtual sex

3.) porn

4.) toys

5.) celibacy/abstinence

6.) Only fans

 

Please be safe, stay home and avoid contact with anyone.

[LookingAround]

I personally agree with many of your posts, and have a lot of respect for your opinion as a regular poster on this site, but I have to tell ya....

 

You are off base.

 

Displacing blatant sexual irresponsibility, by making comparisons of acts of free will is a very clever debating tactic, but in reality, it’s a weak attempt at excusing one’s careless behavior.

 

Having liquor stores open allows people to stay home, and have some type of relief from this stressful time.

 

However, practicing direct physical acts of “personal” services, is just about as blatantly careless, and selfish, as those spring breakers who partied all over Florida.

 

As we’re trying our best to practice social distancing, this is definitely NOT the time to use “sex positivity”, as a means of backing up ones “rights” to willingly spread a virus that there’s no cure for that’s killing people within DAYS.

 

The only acts of sex that should be promoted in the realm of “sex positivity”, and “sexual freedom” at this point is:

1.) masturbation

2.) virtual sex

3.) porn

4.) toys

5.) celibacy/abstinence

6.) Only fans

 

Please be safe, stay home and avoid contact with anyone.

You realize many who oppose sex trafficking and prostitution would have serious issues (and arguments against) your own behavior of hiring escorts. They could give YOU quite a lecture and a list of do’s and dont’s.

 

Such moralistic preaching.

 

I agree it’s crazy to hookup right now but the unaware hypocrisy and moralism here is really amazing to observe.

[Jarrod_Uncut]

I personally agree with many of your posts, and have a lot of respect for your opinion as a regular poster on this site, but I have to tell ya....

 

 

Thankyou. By no means am I disagreeing with you, but just inviting you to look at the bigger picture:

 

 

Having liquor stores open allows people to stay home, and have some type of relief from this stressful time.

 

 

The only acts of sex that should be promoted in the realm of “sex positivity”, and “sexual freedom” at this point is:

1.) masturbation

2.) virtual sex

3.) porn

4.) toys

5.) celibacy/abstinence

6.) Only fans

 

Please be safe, stay home and avoid contact with anyone.

 

And that liquid relief is doing what good for the body, exactly? Just quoting what you’re saying.

 

And porn...isn’t that like the new drug? That leads to child rape, sex trafficking, erectile dysfunction, and trains people to see sex and human bodies as objects. Doesn’t sound safe to me. (I’m being very facetious here, but just playing the role of anti-porn activist.)

 

Onlyfans is usually going to involve what? MEETING another human being, and having sex. And trust me, there’s 150,000 guys out here with an onlyfans page trying to make money jerking off. I don’t have time to be waiting around for someone to send me $10 a month, when I’ve got 2 cars due for maintenance YESTERDAY.

 

Believe it or not, I can much quicker find $250/$300 from 1 client, than it is to find 1 person to pay $9.99 to subscribe to onlyfans. Not everybody can sell content. Not everybody can sell themselves. I choose to do what I can do.

 

So if someone is going to judge or criticize what I do...regardless of the reason, don’t forget that there’s plenty of people who would condemn us just as much.

Edited April 6, 2020 by Jarrod_Uncut

[Monarchy79]

You realize many who oppose sex trafficking and prostitution would have serious issues (and arguments against) your own behavior of hiring escorts. They could give YOU quite a lecture and a list of do’s and dont’s.

 

Such moralistic preaching.

 

I agree it’s crazy to hookup right now but the unaware hypocrisy and moralism here is really amazing to observe.

 

My point isn’t at all about morals. It’s about social responsibility.

[Jarrod_Uncut]

My point isn’t at all about morals. It’s about social responsibility.

 

Fair enough, but the thing is...people are injecting moral responsibility into it. The tone is clear.

 

People are making it out like it’s a big contagious ?, airborne STD. No. You are just as likely to get it from the cashier or postal worker, or place you ordered food from (and I know ALOT of gay men don’t like to cook...I have to wonder how they are getting by) who has seen dozens of customers at close range 8 hours or more a day, than you are from the 1 lone escort who hasn’t had a client all week....and could probably REALLY use the money because of what’s going on.

 

So to hear people chastise sex workers for working, and blacklisting them, irritates my soul.

[Monarchy79]

Thankyou. By no means am I disagreeing with you, but just inviting you to look at the bigger picture:

 

 

 

 

And that liquid relief is doing what good for the body, exactly? Just quoting what you’re saying.

 

And porn...isn’t that like the new drug? That leads to child rape, sex trafficking, erectile dysfunction, and trains people to see sex and human bodies as objects. Doesn’t sound safe to me. (I’m being very facetious here, but just playing the role of anti-porn activist.)

 

Onlyfans is usually going to involve what? MEETING another human being, and having sex. And trust me, there’s 150,000 guys out here with an onlyfans page trying to make money jerking off. I don’t have time to be waiting around for someone to send me $10 a month, when I’ve got 2 cars due for maintenance YESTERDAY.

 

Believe it or not, I can much quicker find $250/$300 from 1 client, than it is to find 1 person to pay $9.99 to subscribe to onlyfans. Not everybody can sell content. Not everybody can sell themselves. I choose to do what I can do.

 

So if someone is going to judge or criticize what I do...regardless of the reason, don’t forget that there’s plenty of people who would condemn us just as much.

 

Thanks for understanding my point and rebutting.

As my initial comments have triggered many who feel that their right to sexual pleasure is being “judged” for the sake public health...

I’ll use myself as an example, and turn the conversation away from sex.

 

For the past three weeks, I have done the following things to assure that I don’t catch the cornonavirus, or give it to anyone else:

 

1.) practiced social distancing, keeping myself at least 6 feet from others at all times. I won’t share even an elevator with anyone.

 

2.) have stopped all in-person visits to family members who are older and possibly vulnerable.

 

3.) have stayed at home, minimizing all public activities, except for the gas station and the grocery store, which I wore face covering a and disposable gloves at both.

 

4.) Have not had any sexual encounters of any kind (that involves another Person)

 

For me, in this context, I see interpersonal sex as a direct opposite of the social distancing requirements identified to stopping the spread.

 

This isn’t a debate on sexual positivity, or sexual “rights”.

 

 

This is entirely different. There’s no “PrEP” pill to pop in this situation. People can literally die in days, because of some guys lack of self restraint to fuck, because he feels he has the right to be careless.

[Monarchy79]

Fair enough, but the thing is...people are injecting moral responsibility into it. The tone is clear.

 

People are making it out like it’s a big contagious ?, airborne STD. No. You are just as likely to get it from the cashier at the store, who has seen dozens of customers at close range 8 hours or more a day, than you are from the 1 lone escort who hasn’t had a client all week....and could probably REALLY use the money because of what’s going on.

 

I agree with you,

 

But to put it into better perspective, let’s say that one escort went to the supermarket the week of meeting his potential client. The escort is young, healthy and asymptomatic. The client is over 60, with existing respiratory issues. They have their session. A week later, the client dies.

[Monarchy79]

Thankyou. By no means am I disagreeing with you, but just inviting you to look at the bigger picture:

 

 

 

 

And that liquid relief is doing what good for the body, exactly? Just quoting what you’re saying.

 

And porn...isn’t that like the new drug? That leads to child rape, sex trafficking, erectile dysfunction, and trains people to see sex and human bodies as objects. Doesn’t sound safe to me. (I’m being very facetious here, but just playing the role of anti-porn activist.)

 

Onlyfans is usually going to involve what? MEETING another human being, and having sex. And trust me, there’s 150,000 guys out here with an onlyfans page trying to make money jerking off. I don’t have time to be waiting around for someone to send me $10 a month, when I’ve got 2 cars due for maintenance YESTERDAY.

 

 

 

 

Believe it or not, I can much quicker find $250/$300 from 1 client, than it is to find 1 person to pay $9.99 to subscribe to onlyfans. Not everybody can sell content. Not everybody can sell themselves. I choose to do what I can do.

 

So if someone is going to judge or criticize what I do...regardless of the reason, don’t forget that there’s plenty of people who would condemn us just as much.

 

OnlyFans has many workers who make tons of money, and have never had an in-person meeting with a client, ever... with time and work, and building up a fan base, it’s very possible. However I do agree that it’s not for everyone.

[Monarchy79]

You realize many who oppose sex trafficking and prostitution would have serious issues (and arguments against) your own behavior of hiring escorts. They could give YOU quite a lecture and a list of do’s and dont’s.

 

Such moralistic preaching.

 

I agree it’s crazy to hookup right now but the unaware hypocrisy and moralism here is really amazing to observe.

Actually, I’ve never hired an escort before. Masseurs, but not full escort services (yet). However, I won’t indulge in either at this point. I wouldn’t want to potentially expose them to anything.

[Monarchy79]

You realize many who oppose sex trafficking and prostitution would have serious issues (and arguments against) your own behavior of hiring escorts. They could give YOU quite a lecture and a list of do’s and dont’s.

 

Such moralistic preaching.

 

I agree it’s crazy to hookup right now but the unaware hypocrisy and moralism here is really amazing to observe.

 

What’s wrong with morals? Nothing’s wrong with trying to be the best person we all can be.

 

Living in a moral-less society is part of the problem. The truth is that we all have an inner link to those we share the world with. And passing the message of “do what you want, recklessly, without any regard to others”, isn’t cool. It’s just not.

 

Honestly, if I feel like I’m coming down with the common cold, I won’t have sex with someone, because I personally feel that I would be partially responsible for giving them my cold and sharing my germs.

 

With your mindset, I should give zero shits about passing anything along to anyone, all in the name of sexual liberation.

 

That’s selfish, dishonorable, and just simply foul.

 

Call me what you like, but at the least, I have consideration for others.

[Jarrod_Uncut]

People can literally die in days, because of some guys lack of self restraint to fuck, because he feels he has the right to be careless.

 

I was really hearing you out, up until this part...it still insinuates a guy having sex lacks self restraint and is careless. It still puts them as being “at fault” and labels them “sex addicts”. Do you know that my last 2 clients haven’t had sex in a long time?

 

Going back to the bartender and drunk driver. Bartender serves a drink, someone ends up dead. But it’s not because of the bartender serving a drink. The same bartender may have sold drinks to many people who arrived home just fine. He can’t be to blame for the one who ran a red light.

 

In this case, it’s not the gay guy wanting to have sex who’s the blame. It’s the ones who manifested this....I’ll stop there because it’s going to get political and I don’t want to quote nothing that I can’t back up with references. But, I will reference this article which I think is helpful in defining the whole social distancing issue:

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/coronavirus-social-distancing-and-self-quarantine%3famp=true

 

[Monarchy79]

 

Oh really? every heard of AIDS? ??

[Monarchy79]

I was really hearing you out, up until this part...it still insinuates a guy having sex lacks self restraint and is careless. It still puts them as being “at fault” and labels them “sex addicts”. Do you know that my last 2 clients haven’t had sex in a long time?

 

Going back to the bartender and drunk driver. Bartender serves a drink, someone ends up dead. But it’s not because of the bartender serving a drink. The same bartender may have sold drinks to many people who arrived home just fine. He can’t be to blame for the one who ran a red light.

 

In this case, it’s not the gay guy wanting to have sex who’s the blame. It’s the ones who manifested this....I’ll stop there because it’s going to get political and I don’t want to quote nothing that I can’t back up with references. But, I will reference this article which I think is helpful in defining the whole social distancing issue:

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/coronavirus-social-distancing-and-self-quarantine?amp=true

 

 

You do know that a bartender or an establishment that serves alcohol can be held legally responsible for a drunk driver’s accident right? Yes, it’s true.

 

And yes, I do believe in sexual responsibility.

If I hire an escort, knowing I have been exposed to the coronavirus (from my social behaviors, prior to meeting him), and he gets sick. I am responsible.

 

I’ll even go into a lighter, real-life example.

One of my favorite masseurs came to town over the summer and I booked an appointment with him in advance. A week before our appointment, I went on a hiking trip and was exposed to poison ivy. Had a small rash on my leg.

 

Once I saw the blisters, I immediately cancelled my appointment, as I could have potentially spread the poison ivy to him, and he could have passed it on to future clients.

I personally would have felt responsible for spreading my poison ivy.

 

Not a morality issue for me. Just a general consideration for others.

Edited April 6, 2020 by Monarchy79

[Jarrod_Uncut]

I agree with you,

 

But to put it into better perspective, let’s say that one escort went to the supermarket the week of meeting his potential client. The escort is young, healthy and asymptomatic. The client is over 60, with existing respiratory issues. They have their session. A week later, the client dies.

 

Not my fault. He logged online. He texted me. He came over. The escort likely wasn’t aware of existing respiratory issues and even if he did, he didn’t point a gun at his head. Ditto with the drunk driver. He drove, he ordered drinks, he overdid it. Then killed himself or someone else. Not the bartender’s fault.

 

I’m not saying the client is at fault or the drunk driver is merely a “he deserved it” situation, because Lord knows, we weren’t created to be doomed. But...it’s not fair to directly put the person who was asked to perform a task, at responsibility for something that really is inevitable.

[Jarrod_Uncut]

OnlyFans has many workers who make tons of money, and have never had an in-person meeting with a client, ever... with time and work, and building up a fan base, it’s very possible. However I do agree that it’s not for everyone.

 

Speculative. And that can apply to escorts too. What makes an onlyfans model more resourceful than a masseur or escort? Because they never had to meet anyone in person to make tons? Maybe I actually enjoy the real life aspect of making someone feel good.

 

Not to mention, there’s a lot of bareback going on thru onlyfans. But WAIT! That’s on video, no in person meets are needed. It’s “different”, you say. That should answer your AIDS question.

[Monarchy79]

Fair enough, but the thing is...people are injecting moral responsibility into it. The tone is clear.

 

People are making it out like it’s a big contagious ?, airborne STD. No. You are just as likely to get it from the cashier or postal worker, or place you ordered food from (and I know ALOT of gay men don’t like to cook...I have to wonder how they are getting by) who has seen dozens of customers at close range 8 hours or more a day, than you are from the 1 lone escort who hasn’t had a client all week....and could probably REALLY use the money because of what’s going on.

 

So to hear people chastise sex workers for working, and blacklisting them, irritates my soul.

 

Thanks for the clarity.

 

I am by no means chastising sex workers (and I wouldn’t)

 

My apologies if you took my postings in that manner.

 

I never judge anyone who is out here seeking a living.

[Monarchy79]

Speculative. And that can apply to escorts too. What makes an onlyfans model more resourceful than a masseur or escort? Because they never had to meet anyone in person to make tons? Maybe I actually enjoy the real life aspect of making someone feel good.

 

Not to mention, there’s a lot of bareback going on thru onlyfans. But WAIT! That’s on video, no in person meets are needed. It’s “different”, you say. That should answer your AIDS question.

Some only fans subscriptions literally have guys doing solo jack off sessions, or playing with toys....

[Monarchy79]

Not my fault.

 

That phrase alone is my ultimate “trigger”. lol.

 

Nonetheless, I sincerely hope that you and everyone on this thread and forum will safely survive through this time, so that we all can live another day to debate in the future.... ☺️

[Jarrod_Uncut]

Oh really? every heard of AIDS? ??

 

Nope. I was born in 1987. Only heard of HIV. Actually...I’m wrong: isn’t aids the thing kids used to tease about?

 

“if your index finger is shortler/longer than your ring finger, you’ve got aids”.

 

“If your 2nd toe is shorter than your big toe, you’ve got aids”.

 

I feel bad for the new generation of kids after this pandemic. Lots of kids are going to be falsely diagnosed with COVID.

 

You do know that a bartender or an establishment that serves alcohol can be held legally responsible for a drunk driver’s accident right? Yes, it’s true.

 

Very hard to litigate though. I’m on Facebook and follow a few bartenders I’ve known over the years. Non of the bars have closed or bartenders have been arrested, because some guy couldn’t handle his liquor, and wrecked his car and died.

 

And it’s going to be much harder to claim a client died of COVID, because he visited an escort. Especially considering the number of cases going around.

[Jarrod_Uncut]

Some only fans subscriptions literally have guys doing solo jack off sessions, or playing with toys....

 

I have a few jerk off videos and recently played with a toy up my *** on video the other week as well. But guess what? Clients still want real life visits.

[Monarchy79]

.....And it’s going to be much harder to claim a client died of COVID, because he visited an escort. Especially considering the number of cases going around.

 

On a legal perspective, you are 100% correct.

 

On a spiritual perspective, I wouldn’t want that on my soul. I do believe in Karma.

[MrMattBig]

I was really hearing you out, up until this part...it still insinuates a guy having sex lacks self restraint and is careless. It still puts them as being “at fault” and labels them “sex addicts”. Do you know that my last 2 clients haven’t had sex in a long time?

 

Going back to the bartender and drunk driver. Bartender serves a drink, someone ends up dead. But it’s not because of the bartender serving a drink. The same bartender may have sold drinks to many people who arrived home just fine. He can’t be to blame for the one who ran a red light.

 

In this case, it’s not the gay guy wanting to have sex who’s the blame. It’s the ones who manifested this....I’ll stop there because it’s going to get political and I don’t want to quote nothing that I can’t back up with references. But, I will reference this article which I think is helpful in defining the whole social distancing issue:

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/coronavirus-social-distancing-and-self-quarantine?amp=true

 

I am going to try and stream line my pint of view again for both sides. Yes, two consenting adults.

Yes, abundance of sanitary/disinfecting precautions. Yes, we all need to stay the fuck home. Yes, it's part of our moral responsibility to slow the spread. Yes, your intimate connection could potentially kill the other person in days to weeks.

contrary to the STD/hiv comparison, there is no current medication to prevent infection leading to death, and may even be compounded by a lack of ventilators soon.

 

Here's the thing. At this point of time, conversation logistics to meet should be way more than available, rate, location, eta. All parties should be having conversations about how often the go out, when they last traveled out of town etc. Unless all parties can have a responsible detailed conversation about social distancing and isolation habits....you have no business trying to have sex/massage with someone else right now.

 

Admittedly, I have speed read your post recent posts. So I might be mistaken, but the closest I have seen you be to stating you are having these conversations with someone is when you acknowledged knowing the other person hasn't had sex in a while. You can take all the precautions and make all the validations. But I hope you are analyzing the social distancing behavior of others in some way to help eliminate some risky clients, just the same as your use cancelation fees to help eliminate game playing clients.

[Jarrod_Uncut]

On a legal perspective, you are 100% correct.

 

On a spiritual perspective, I wouldn’t want that on my soul. I do believe in Karma.

 

There’s no karma to be had lol. Spiritual or otherwise. In your example, the escort would be asymptomatic. There’s no way to prove the escort picked up the virus from the supermarket, or that the client didn’t get it thru some other means. Even with that @hypothetically given context ?

 

But idk, I can’t tell people what to do. I’m not here to do that. Obviously you want to abide by your local restrictions, to be on the good side of law and health. Trust me: when I’m sick, I don’t even want to look at porn. Let alone be concerned with me trying to have sex

 

But at the end of the day, people are making up scenarios in their head, and then spreading them around as being “gospel”. That’s why the Bible has been so grossly misinterpreted over the centuries, because people took something that was written, and misinterpreted as being a “law” and breaking it is “bad”.

 

There’s no mandates saying to wear a mask in public, no mandates saying you can’t meet your partner for sex, no mandates saying you could be held directly responsible for giving someone COVID.

[Jarrod_Uncut]

Here's the thing. At this point of time, conversation logistics to meet should be way more than available, rate, location, eta. All parties should be having conversations about how often the go out, when they last traveled out of town etc. Unless all parties can have a responsible detailed conversation about social distancing and isolation habits....you have no business trying to have sex/massage with someone else right now.

 

That’ll mean as much as an application between 2 men about to have bareback sex:

 

Are you on prep? Yes

When have you last been tested? March

Do you wear condoms often? Yes

Are you Negative? Yes

 

Great, based on your response, you’ve been approved! Let’s fuck raw ?

 

Talk is cheap. If having bareback sex is going to likely kill me by the end of the week, I will make my own decisions, not based on the answers of another. Likewise, if COVID is a big risk factor for someone, they may want to make their own decisions accordingly as well.

Edited April 6, 2020 by Jarrod_Uncut

[MrMattBig]

That’ll mean as much as an application between 2 men about to have bareback sex:

 

When have you last been tested?

Do you wear condoms often?

Are you Negative?

 

Great, based on your response, you’ve been approved! Let’s fuck ?

Again, that comparison is not valid because of the lack of existence of a medication to fight off Covid.?‍♂️