The Truth About Benjamin Nicholas' 15 Minutes

[Epigonos]

Congragulations Augustman you make several outstanding points. Let's be real guys we are talking about a blog NOT a Harvard University doctoral dissertation. I have engaged Benjamin Nicholas in the past and I will again if the opportunity arises. He is dynamite between the sheets and as far as I'm concerned that is the bottom line.

[MindThe Gap]

> He is dynamite between the sheets and as

>far as I'm concerned that is the bottom line.

 

Some people fuck horses. Some people fuck cows. Some people even fuck underage children. I suppose it's simply just a matter of persoanl taste, morals and values at the end of the day.

[jackhammer91406]

The truth will set you free

 

First, nice research work Doug. This was obviously a time consuming effort.

 

It's no secret I have had issues with BN for some time. I even left this forum for a time in a philosophical difference of opinion over the inclusion of a prominent link to a blogger who has clearly violated rule one and exposed client info by talking openly with his clients about other clients.

 

The one thing you can say about BN is that he inspires incredible loyalty amongst his "guys". There must be something positive about the "time" shared for these men to be able to look away from clear lapses in integrity such as this thread presents.

 

I cannot imagine what BN must be thinking about all of this, but I would guess it has less to do with being caught in a fraud and more to do with feeling persecuted by the usual suspects.

 

Nice job Doug.

[Epigonos]

Come on MindThe Gap be real. To most members of society those of us who participate on this site have NO morals or values. To be perfectly honest the vast majority of those of us who post here fit into one of two categories we are either wh--es or whoremongers. I will readly admit that I am an excellent example of the latter. Now I suppose that some on this site are neither of the above but I find it difficult to understand what this site offers them. Please don't preach to me. I lost my interest in moralizing sermons many many years ago.

[+ Charlie]

RE: The truth will set you free

 

I suspect he's trying to figure out how to create a new identity when so many people are already familiar with his picture.

[+ glutes]

Even w*#### or whorehoppers can have morals...

[alanalt]

>Some people fuck horses. Some people fuck cows. Some people

>even fuck underage children. I suppose it's simply just a

>matter of persoanl taste, morals and values at the end of the

>day.

 

So wanting to engage Ben's services is now equivelent to bestiality and pedophillia in your eyes?? There have been some powerful arguements made on this board and this thread in particular... but this ain't one of them!! x(

[JT Brooklyn]

RE: The truth will set you free

 

Charlus..Wouldn't be the First Guy to have to do that!

 

Of course the last One Never showed his Face in the First Place! So he just sent out a couple of "Obligatory Apologies" and that was that, Sort of! LOL :P

[MindThe Gap]

>>Some people fuck horses. Some people fuck cows. Some people

>>even fuck underage children. I suppose it's simply just a

>>matter of persoanl taste, morals and values at the end of

>the day.

 

>So wanting to engage Ben's services is now equivelent to

>bestiality and pedophillia in your eyes??

 

alanalt, had you taken my comments to Epigonos in the context of which I hope they were written, you might have come to another conclusion.

 

Let me see if I can clarify for you.

 

Apparently, for Epigonos, the only thing that matters in a sex partner for him, is that he is “dynamite between the sheets.” That’s his “bottom line” prerequisite. So in other words, for Epigonos, if that cock he’s sucking or ass he’s fucking is attached to a known plagiarist, thief, wife beater, convicted felon, etc., it really does not matter to Epigonos as long as it’s dynamite sex.

 

My comment simply put forth the fact, that, at the end of the day, everyone who engages in sex with other individuals, consenting or otherwise, and yes, even animals for that matter, in my opinion, are exercising their personal values, tastes and in some cases morality while doing so.

 

I personally would not engage in a personal sex act with anyone I knew in advance of, to be of highly questionable character or morality.

Those are my values. I was simply attempting to draw that parallel.

 

I was never comparing having sex with Ben, to bestiality or pedophilia.

 

Hope that might clarify things for you.

[Guest EuropTravl]

Out of curiosity, has any plagiarized material been removed from the 15 MM blog?

I'd look myself, but I'm eating lunch and everything.....and I'm not THAT curious, just somewhat. He's a fool if it's still there - (because if I was Dave Barry and contacted about a gay escort blog and stealing my stuff ....well, if it's STILL there I'd dry my tears of laughter and now get a tiny tad more pissed.....)

[Epigonos]

Damn I love having people put words into my mouth:

 

"if that cock he’s sucking or ass he’s fucking is attached to a known plagiarist, thief, wife beater, convicted felon, etc., it really does not matter to Epigonos as long as it’s dynamite sex."

 

I can readly see where you come up with the plagiarist comment BUT the others are a pure figments of your overly vivid imagination.

[Lankypeters]

>Out of curiosity, has any plagiarized material been removed

>from the 15 MM blog?

>

 

The entire backlog of previous blogs, once listed at the left side, is gone with the wind. Maybe someone's auctioning copies on e-Bay.

[Guest EuropTravl]

>The entire backlog of previous blogs, once listed at the left

>side, is gone with the wind.

 

GWTW? What an odd phrase - where'r your quotation marks? See, I represent the Mitchell Foundation.....

 

 

Seriously, this should end this amusing thread.

 

The hot wind has been let out of the sail a bit I guess, but the boat didn't sink - it still has it's faithful and devoted crew*.

 

(*and that's MINE MINE all MINE)

[alanalt]

MindTheGap,

 

Thank you for 'clarifying' your earlier comment and for providing some additional context (not to mention new material) to your point.

 

However, it's pretty evident from your reply that you were missing my own point. What I was objecting to wasn't your conclusion that that we all have various personal values that will dictate with whom we will have sex with, it was that you chose to link Epigonos' values with those of folks who engage in bestiality and pedophilia, which (in my opinion) is a gross and unnecessary form of disrespect. In other words, rather than debate Epigonos' point, or state why you disagreed with it, you merely chose to smear it, which is why I chose to label your view as a weak argument.

 

Now in your 'clarification', you brought up an entirely new point by stating, "I personally would not engage in a personal sex act with anyone I knew in advance of, to be of highly questionable character or morality. Those are my values." Now that's a perfectly valid viewpoint, but it's not one that appeared in your first response, except by implication that you don't engage in sex with children or animals. Unfortunately, rather than pursue that line further, you once again turned to the smear by suggesting that Epigonos is willing to sleep with various kinds of criminals for great sex.

 

In case the subtle point of Epigonos' arguement has escaped you, what he said was that despite Doug's revelation about Ben's consistent plagerism in '15 Minutes', BASED ON HIS PRIOR PERSONAL EXPERIENCE WITH BEN, Epigonos would be willing to engage Ben's services again. Now between his viewpoint and yours, there is room for debate and disagreement. But can't that debate be carried on in a reasonably respectful manner, without dragging in criminals and people who have sex with children, cows and horses into it?

 

And while you're pondering that question, I have another one for you, why were you so quick to ask me to take the context of your comments into consideration, when you weren't, and aren't, obviously prepared to extend the same courtesy to Epigonos' comments?

 

 

For the record, as a sometime reader of Ben's column, I'm very disappointed that Ben both chose to present other people's work as his own and was also blind/arrogant/ignorant or whatever enough to think that it wouldn't be found out eventually and come back to bite him. It's up to everyone to judge just how much this will impact their own view of Ben whether it was positive or negative to begin with, but for what it's worth, I'm more sad than angry... :-(

[BgMstr4u]

Really? I just logged on to his blog (6:50 pm EDT March 8) and it was all still there....

 

http://www.benjaminnicholas.com/blogger.html

[MindThe Gap]

>MindTheGap,

>

>Thank you for 'clarifying' your earlier comment and for

>providing some additional context (not to mention new

>material) to your point.

>

>However, it's pretty evident from your reply that you were

>missing my own point. What I was objecting to wasn't your

>conclusion that that we all have various personal values that

>will dictate with whom we will have sex with, it was that you

>chose to link Epigonos' values with those of folks who engage

>in bestiality and pedophilia, which (in my opinion) is a gross

>and unnecessary form of disrespect.

 

With all due respect to you alanalt, I think that you’re missing your own point, because what you directly objected to in your only post directed to me, was in your remark and question: “So wanting to engage Ben's services is now equivelent to bestiality and pedophilia in your eyes??

 

My clarification to YOU, that I was in no way equating bestiality and pedophilia with Ben was directed to YOUR remark and question. It had nothing to do with Epigono’s follow up post. He never even mentioned or referenced bestiality and pedophilia in his post, nor did he inference anything else associated with your remarks.

 

What he did say was this: “Come on MindThe Gap be real. To most members of society those of us who participate on this site have NO morals or values. To be perfectly honest the vast majority of those of us who post here fit into one of two categories we are either wh--es or whoremongers.”

 

I personally found this to be an irresponsible, unfair and disingenuous representation of the possible make-up of this entire sites membership. I did not feel obligated, nor did I feel responsible or inclined to respond to such unfounded and disrespectful remarks.

 

 

>In case the subtle point of Epigonos' arguement has escaped

>you, what he said was that despite Doug's revelation about

>Ben's consistent plagerism in '15 Minutes', BASED ON HIS PRIOR

>PERSONAL EXPERIENCE WITH BEN, Epigonos would be willing to

>engage Ben's services again.

 

You can’t un-ring a bell alanalt. Today is today and Ben is today, who he was not a day ago, well, publicly at least. My remarks reflected the here and now, today, and could care less about what once was for Epigonos’ sex life with Ben. If Epigonos chooses to excuse Ben’s crimes, simply because of a past sexual history so that he can justify a dick up his ass or down his throat, today, then that’s his business. Those are his values and his morality. And just so that you are clear, I also never linked Epigonos to bestiality or pedophilia. I was demonstrating a broad spectrum of human sexual preferences and activities which ultimately call upon the individual to justify through their own value system, which is what I believe my clarification to you addressed.

 

 

>And while you're pondering that question, I have another one

>for you, why were you so quick to ask me to take the context

>of your comments into consideration, when you weren't, and

>aren't, obviously prepared to extend the same courtesy to

>Epigonos' comments?

 

See Above.

[Louis]

Doug, I stand by what I said... I wish it didn't happen, and here's why.

Several people have been hurt by this, writers had their work stolen and I would think that several of Ben's clients feel betrayed.

So yes I wish it didn't happen. I do side with victims, and am not happy with what has happend.

You did your homework very well, and as a result we know how long Ben has been doing this, so its not just a one, or two time event.

If Ben makes it through this situation that he has brought upon himself, it will be very difficult for him to rebuild any credibility.

There are no winners in this type of situation, and everyone involved has lost something.

So what's going to happen? Will there be law suits? What will happen with Ben, is he going to be the same old same old when this whole thing runs its course, or is he going to learn from it, and move on and take the high road in life?

I would think that he is at a cross roads right now, and he can keep going down hill, or he can take appropriate steps, to better himself.

So the ball is in his court, he has been found out, and now its time to come clean with everyone including himself.

[Epigonos]

What he did say was this: “Come on MindThe Gap be real. To most members of society those of us who participate on this site have NO morals or values. To be perfectly honest the vast majority of those of us who post here fit into one of two categories we are either wh--es or whoremongers.”

 

I personally found this to be an irresponsible, unfair and disingenuous representation of the possible make-up of this entire sites membership. I did not feel obligated, nor did I feel responsible or inclined to respond to such unfounded and disrespectful remarks.

 

I really don't understand what you find irresponsible, unfair, digingenuous and disrespectful in the above comment. The entire purpose of the site, from its inception, has been to provide clients with information about working escorts. Now the word "escort" is simply a nice synonym for either prostitute of wh--re amd the word client is simply a nice synonym for whoremonger. You may not like my choice of words but I don't understand how you can argue with their validity.

Futhermore please keep in mind that in the United States, I don't know about Great Britian, both client and escort are breaking the law when engaging in the business of buying and selling sex. Additionally that buying and selling of sex is considered immoral by a majority of the populace. Thus by using this site, for its intended purpose, those of us who hire escorts and the escorts themselves can all be branded as immoral crimminals.

[Luv2play]

I have a great respect for the written word and am an avid reader myself. All sorts of writing appeals to me. However, that said, I've never bothered reading BN's blog because it just didn't interest me. However, I knew it was linked to the original HooBoy's site and that HooBoy and BN had a personal relationship. That didn't bother me one way or the other.

 

BN is obviously an escort who has benefitted mightily from this site and its predecessor site which was HooBoy's. He has now been unfrocked, it would seem, by an old participant of the original HooBoy site, Doug69. The "prima facie" case seems irrefutable. BN of course, could choose to respond here and explain himself. We'll see. In the meantime, nothing really changes for me as I never was a fan of BN's, either as an escort or a blogger.

[alanalt]

MindTheGap, in my earlier comments, I wasn't referencing any of Epigonos' follow-up posts, but his initial post (reply 50) which you chose to grace with your 'horses, cows and underage children' remark (reply 51). You chose those particular examples, which hardly indicate "a broad spectrum of human sexual preferences and activities" nor is there anything in that initial response to Epigonos to indicate you were placing his comments somewhere within in such a broad spectrum but rather at one very extreme end of it.

 

So, yes, I called you on it with just the sort of snappy response you first used on Epigonos. And, guess what, you didn't like the taste of your own medicine. Quelle suprise!! :o

 

So while you may now 'clarify' (or justify) those comments as part of a larger argument on the values and criteriae one uses to engage an escort or have sex with someone, the fact remains that you did not choose to elaborate upon those positions at the time. Instead, you picked several highly offensive sexual activities, and ONLY those, as a basis of comparison to respond to Epigonos initial comment. All the subsequently-provided context and clarifications don't change that your INITIAL response was both unnecessarily disrespectful AND a very weak argument, both of which I object(ed) to...

[Guest TBinCHI]

>What you have here is someone

>manipulating, and lying to, as many people as possible, to

>further his own personal self interests, agenda and income, at

>other peoples expense and ignorance.

>

>This to me, in itself, is a crime worthy of condemnation.

>

 

Sounds like every politician to have ever hit the streets!! And yet I'm sure that condemnation on that front comes down on party lines when it is deserved across the board.

 

Benjamin Nicholas is a young, good looking, highly sexualized and energetic stud with a throng of doting admirers. That he is also cocky and brash should be no surprise. The real service that Doug provided here is to expose not Ben's misdoings, but the fact that like all other humans, he is also flawed. The real interesting thing will be not to watch the bickering and backbiting that is occuring here, but to see how this young man will react in the face of adversity.

 

I, for one, hope that Ben will come out of all of this with a little more humility, a lot more wisdom, and an appreciation for the flaws in all of us that make us human. If that happens, I believe that there will be even more people, like me, who will want to meet him.

[+ purplekow]

>>

> The real interesting thing will be not to watch the

>bickering and backbiting that is occuring here, but to see how

>this young man will react in the face of adversity.

>

>70 posts later and this young man's reaction has been silence.

Neither remorse nor outrage should have taken this long. Perhaps he is still trying to find out which emotion he should share, should he decide to share any with us.

So I agree, it is interesting to see how this young man is reacting in face of adversity.

[Luv2play]

Not being a reader of BN's 15Minutes, I am wondering whether he was making money from his blog, either through advertisers or sponsors. I know he has made comments on this board about how many hits his blog gets, which was an impressive number, if it is to be believed any more. It is apparent BN has let down his avid fans with his deceptive practices although some still seem to support him, plagiarism and all, such as Rockhead. In a separate thread Rockhead asserts BN has not profited from his blog in a monetary sense but is that right?

 

What makes this interesting is that the whole field of blogging is relatively new and has vastly expanded in the last few years. More cases of plagiarizing are sure to emerge. What remains to be seen is what sort of sanctions will be applied. Lawsuits are only one recourse and, of course, to be successful, you need a defendant who is not "judgement proof", i.e. no assets. Should be interesting to see how this develops.

[Guest icon513]

His blog was one big advertisement for HIMSELF, and specifically, his services as companion, raconteur, and sophisticated young bon vivant. Whether or not the blog itself made money, he blatantly passed off others' works as his own for commercial purposes.

 

Although his look appeals to me, there's no way I'd ever consider having him into my home (or hotel room) at this point.

[JT Brooklyn]

L O L :P