The Truth About Benjamin Nicholas' 15 Minutes

[AdamSmith]

>No...my grandmother!! She was a rimming expert; used to

>practice on pitted prunes.

 

My great-aunt (the one I told you about) practiced on pitted prunes too. Or rather should have. She'd vanish into the loo, emerging a half-hour later to announce, "Well, I can't do anything."

 

My point, and I do have one, is that I love rimming as much as the next great-aunt. (You may have observed!) But putting prunes and rimming together into the same thought is enough to put me off at least one of them for good.

[SAdler]

>So efficient to have that backed up! yes please I will take

>it Scott.

 

Efficiency is my life

 

>It will give me eye candy for plane trips and hotels.. lol

 

Oh please ... knowing you it's pointless to give you a menu when you just skip to ordering delivery or takeout

[JasonK]

After receiving a number of emails, I wnat to make it clear: I have nothng personal against Benjamin Nicholas, as I thought I made this clear in my message posted this morning; I had just returned this morning form a whole week in Vegas; Heading out now for a 2hrs trip to Topeka tonight and then to Tennessee the following day. I'm somewhat short of time...

 

I was disturbed by this info, but I would also note that those who have had there "personal vendettas" prior to this thread it is unfair for you to make judgments.

 

I do believe that BN is a cabable person and commendable-like qualities, sensitive, understanding-- putting himself out there, oftentimes taking risks even if unpopular. While Plagiarism is inexcusable, I do believe that there is room for redemption... To borrow a line from one great English statesman, "...You are getting me sick, Do you really think that you can destroy in one day the successes, & accomplishments, reputation it took one man several years to build-up?

[JT Brooklyn]

K...Not having a "Personal Vendetta" BUT not liking being told to "Shut My Fucking Mouth" By Arrogant but no more, "BN" very recently around here...

Anyone with the "Let's Forget the Whole Issue" attitude is very Gullable and gets My Sympathy Vote instead! LOL :P

[MindThe Gap]

>I was disturbed by this info, but I would also note that those

>who have had there "personal vendettas" prior to this thread

>it is unfair for you to make judgments.

 

Excuse me, but you really should get your facts straight before you start using the "V" word around here. It's an undisputable fact that the people who have used this word, now, and in the past against others, have had their heads so far up their own asses over Benjamin's behaviors that they could be considered complicit in his crimes, simply for looking the other way and allowing him to continue, simply because they didn't want to take a stand against his lying, stealing and deception so they could continue to suck his little dick.

 

It just makes me want to fucking hurl when I hear people say, that, when other people challenge and confront wrong doing in a society, or, God forbid, within the respectable world of prostitution, well, "they must have a vendetta against him". That's just simply crap, and the worst kind of crap.

 

If you don't want to get up off your boney lazy asses and take a stand against what's wrong in your world today, then you really should just shut the fuck up when others do, and stop making them out to be the bad people!

 

There. Now you've gone and blown my afternoon chill. Thanks.

[Guest PWIT]

There is a difference in taking a stand and taking delight in the discovery of one's misdeeds. It is obvious some are deriving a lot of pleasure from this - and for this we should bow down and kiss their feet? Don't think so.

 

I'm so confused why such sensitivity on your part. For someone with a join date of 20 Jan 2007 and less than 50 posts, you talk like an old timer on the MC.

[Guest EuropTravl]

>It is obvious some are

>deriving a lot of pleasure from this

 

"Some" as opposed to "many" who aren't?

I'd say many are deriving pleasure, some aren't.

 

Me, less than 30 posts, and wouldn't put himself in either pro- or anti-BN camp.

I just like a good come-uppance. Oh, I admit it, I don't care if you're BN or Reichen Lehmkuhl

(Lance Bass' ex), if you jumped on the "Anna Nicole was my BFF" freight train after she died, I have no need for you (and they both did). At least Bobby Trendy had proof. And Reichen lists Paris Hilton as one of his best "Myspace" pals - a bigger blow to me than BN's plagiarism - I'm done with him forever - good for you Lance! (AT least BN never did THAT)

[Doug69]

>I was disturbed by this info, but I would also note that those

>who have had there "personal vendettas" prior to this thread

>it is unfair for you to make judgments.

 

Yeah, it's really terrible to "make judgments" about stealing. We should all look straight ahead, drooling and mindless, and remain totally neutral about it.

 

I also hate people who make judgments about murderers, kidnappers, blackmailers, muggers, and drunk drivers. It is so unfair for you to make judgments about those things.

 

Maybe if you ever manage to produce something creative in your life and someone steals it, you'll be "judgmental" too.

 

>I do believe that BN is a cabable person and commendable-like

>qualities, sensitive, understanding-- putting himself out

>there, oftentimes taking risks even if unpopular.

 

Yeah, he took the risk of stealing other people's work even though that was unpopular (among people with a working conscience). What a rebel he is.

 

While

>Plagiarism is inexcusable, . . .

 

Why can't you just say this sentence again without the "while"?

 

I do believe that there is room for

>redemption... To borrow a line from one great English

>statesman, "...You are getting me sick, Do you really think

>that you can destroy in one day the successes, &

>accomplishments, reputation it took one man several years to

>build-up?

 

A pre-requisite for redemption is deep and genuine remorse. Do you see any of that?

[Doug69]

>There is a difference in taking a stand and taking delight in

>the discovery of one's misdeeds.

 

Generally, people think it's a good thing when a serial thief is exposed so that they can't go on stealing. You seem to think that a proper response to that is regret and sadness but such a reaction is actually the hallmark of a depraved and warped individual.

 

If we were all like you, Benji would go on stealing other people's work. Ask the victims which they prefer.

 

It is obvious some are

>deriving a lot of pleasure from this - and for this we should

>bow down and kiss their feet? Don't think so.

 

No, we should also be really sad and somber that a thief has been caught. We should hold a big wake and weep and thrash around with grief and talk endlessly about how much pain we feel for the criminal.

 

>I'm so confused why such sensitivity on your part. For

>someone with a join date of 20 Jan 2007 and less than 50

>posts, you talk like an old timer on the MC.

 

You seem to think that human beings don't develop mentally until the day they join this forum. It's actually a normal and sane reaction to find plagiarism repellent. That's true regardless of how many posts someone has written here.

 

If Benji came and confessed his wrongdoing and expressed genuine remorse for the way he deceived his readers and the people from whom he stole, then your little sermons about not taking delight in his miseries would be something other than moronic. But I don't see Benji doing that, and based on his past conduct, I doubt you will.

 

Therefore, stripped to its rotten core, all you're really doing is trying to defend a thief because you like him and then masquerading around as some sort of morally superior creature because so few other people share your twisted identification with the wrongdoer here rather than his victims.

[Funseeker 22]

Maybe Benj will reply when he returns from Dubai.The QM 2 docked there today.

Being one of "his guys" I would tell him just to STFU but we`ll see.

15 minutes is just a blog guys along with eye candy galore.

[Guest PWIT]

>Therefore, stripped to its rotten core, all you're really

>doing is trying to defend a thief because you like him and

>then masquerading around as some sort of morally superior

>creature because so few other people share your twisted

>identification with the wrongdoer here rather than his

>victims.

 

OK, Doug where did I defend him or his actions? I know you are excellent with your research skills, so please educate me.

 

I have never met Ben, so I can't tell you if I like him or not. My issue is I don't understand the glee that some seem to be expressing in this exposure of a wrong.

 

Now I will be judgmental in the following statement and I apologize in advance for judging your motives as doing so is a personal pet peeve of mine, but I seriously doubt this posting originated out of your heartfelt concern for the victims.

[Doug69]

>Maybe Benj will reply when he returns from Dubai.The QM 2

>docked there today.

>Being one of "his guys" I would tell him just to STFU but

>we`ll see.

>15 minutes is just a blog guys along with eye candy galore.

 

A big part of the problem here is that some people are completely incapable of producing a single original idea, and therefore are incapable of understanding that deliberate plagiarism is the same as stealing.

 

It's sort of like some people who spend their lives completely poor and without any money to their name. They can't possibly empathize with victims of crime because they themselves have nothing and can't put themselves in the place of someone who has something which is stolen.

 

As long as Benji continues to get this empty, pathologically self-centered man's dick hard, Benji can rape 8 year-olds, or punch elderly women in the face and take their purse, and "Funseeker" will continue to talk about being one of Benj's "guys" and how great Benj is and how those who condemn Benj should have more "fun".

[Doug69]

>OK, Doug where did I defend him or his actions? I know you

>are excellent with your research skills, so please educate

>me.

 

You're one of those passive-aggressive cowards who never actually makes any point directly when you speak. Everything you want to express you do so by implication and innuendo. For instance, this is what you said in message #82 to me:

 

<<First, I do not know you Doug and I will not be presumptuous about your motives.>>

 

This is what you said just now:

 

I

>apologize in advance for judging your motives as doing so is a

>personal pet peeve of mine, but I seriously doubt this posting

>originated out of your heartfelt concern for the victims.

 

After insisting that you would not "be presumptuous about [my] motives," you have now done exactly that -- twice. That's how passive-aggressive cowards conduct themsleves.

 

They say things like "I don't want to criticize you, but . . . " or "I don't believe in judging people, but . . . " Everything you say is indirect and implied so that you can run away like a little coward when confronted and claim you never said it.

 

All you've done in this thread is criticize the people who have condemned Ben's stealing. You have never once condemned Ben. It's abundantly clear that your symapthies lie with Ben and that you don't give a shit for his victims. There is no one sentence where you have said that -- because you're a passive-aggressive coward who never makes your points directly -- but everything you've done in this thread, including trying to claim (based on nothing) that this is all arising from a vendetta I have (as if that's even relevant) -- is designed to generate sympathy for Benji, attack those who condemned his stealing, and minimize his culpability.

 

That's twisted enough. The fact that you are too cowardly even to admit that you're doing that makes it so much worse.

 

I should also direct your attention to what a rancid hypocrite you are - which is quite a common flaw to accompany passive-aggressive cowardice. Just look at what you said here:

 

I

>apologize in advance for judging your motives as doing so is a

>personal pet peeve of mine

 

In other words: "I hate people who judge others. I've spent this whole thread mewling around condemning those who judge others. It's the thing I hate most - when people judge other people. And now, Doug, I'm about to do exactly that to you."

 

You basically accuse yourself of sickening hypocrisy with what you said. Didn't the thought occur to you that maybe you shouldn't engage in the very behavior that you claim is your "pet peeve" and that you've spent the whole thread condemning?

 

No, of course it didn't, because you have a clear agenda here - defending the thief who got caught stealing, and then whining that you're not really doing that.

[Guest EuropTravl]

>>Benji can rape 8 year-olds, or punch elderly women in the face and take their purse

The pro-BN in me says he hasn't really been THAT bad a boy

 

>>Being one of "his guys" I would tell him just to STFU

The anti-BN in this schizophrenic says you should have told him that YEARS ago

 

(and it might not be my business, and it isn't since I've never met the guy - but Doug69, you did a GOOD job but the Benjamin Nicholas' "rape" thing has a very "Tallulah Nicholas" sound to it - and we know what that sounds like)

 

>>Maybe Benj will reply when he returns from Dubai.The QM 2 docked there today.

 

"Tallulah" sat at the Captain's table every night for dinner I'll bet. Just wait and see.

[Guest PWIT]

Maybe you will like this better:

 

You sanctimonious bitter queen. You try to portray you are so concerned about victims of plagiarism when in actuality your post only exists to denigrate. Then anyone who doesn't laud you with praise has some personal defect unworthy of your time or consideration. You use warped logic like comparing theft (property crimes) with abuse crimes (rape, pedophilia, etc). I'm sure in your simple mind, these things equate, but there is a big difference (legal, emotional, etc.). So go climb back in the cave you have been dwelling in and take another tumble in the bat shit that you wear so well.

 

Hope this was more to your liking (not really, but you do not seem to be attuned to subtle sarcasm).

[Doug69]

>You try to portray you are so

>concerned about victims of plagiarism when in actuality your

>post only exists to denigrate.

 

That's from the person who began by saying that since he didn't know me, he couldn't possibly know my motives.

 

Then anyone who doesn't laud

>you with praise has some personal defect unworthy of your time

>or consideration.

 

No. It has nothing to do with lauding me or not. It has to do with defending the thief and sociopathically failing to feel any sympathy for his victims.

 

You use warped logic like comparing theft

>(property crimes) with abuse crimes (rape, pedophilia, etc).

 

All of those acts are crimes for which people are charged as criminals and sent to prison. They are comparable only in that sense, and that is the only sense in which I compared them.

 

>Hope this was more to your liking (not really, but you do not

>seem to be attuned to subtle sarcasm).

 

Thank you for providing such a vivid reminder of why I stopped posting here. The Stupidity is so intense it actually burns.

[Doug69]

>The pro-BN in me says he hasn't really been THAT bad a boy

>(and it might not be my business, and it isn't since I've

>never met the guy - but Doug69, you did a GOOD job but the

>Benjamin Nicholas' "rape" thing has a very "Tallulah Nicholas"

>sound to it - and we know what that sounds like)

 

Do you know what an "analogy" is?

 

Do you understand that when X is "analogized" to Y, one is not saying that X = Y?

[Guest PWIT]

>Thank you for providing such a vivid reminder of why I stopped

>posting here. The Stupidity is so intense it actually burns.

 

You are welcome.

[Guest EuropTravl]

>>Do you understand that when X is "analogized" to Y, one is not saying that X = Y?

 

Yes, but when the analogy is exagerated and implausible, it weakens the argument. Oh, I know what you mean alright. You've won the battle AND the war (oh, I'd think the QEII has internet access) but you're never going to win certain "hearts and minds".

 

(oops, I mean Queen MARY II. How very un-couth of me.)

[Louis]

I used to work with foreign students at the UofW and other institutions. I had asked on of the students who is a friend, how a particular assignment was going, and he mentioned that he completed it on his own, and was ready to hand it in. I asked him to email it to me, because I wanted to look at it. When I started to read it, it was obvious that he had coppied someone elses work. So I emailed him back or called him on the phone, and told him that he can't hand it in, and that we better get started on doing it over. He was surprised that I knew the work wasn't his, but we did do the assignment.

My opinion of Jack did not change, and I have very high regard for him, and if you met him in person, you would know why. He is a great guy, and for what ever reason, decided to go a route that would lead to trouble.

I can say the same for BN. I have high regard for him, and I won't discuss why.

People have expressed views, no one has denied what has happend, and when someone posts something on a message board different views will be expressed, about what was posted. People don't have to agree, and agreeing or not agreeing doesn't make a person any greater or any less. We all have differing personalities.

It would be a very sad and uniteresting world, if we all thought the same way.

[Doug69]

>It would be a very sad and uniteresting world, if we all

>thought the same way.

 

Yeah, what a terrible world it would be if everyone agreed that stealing was wrong and that those who did it deserved condemnation rather than praise. One can hardly fathom the terrible tragedies we would endure if we all agreed on those principles.

 

Thank God there are people like you who condone even the most patently unethical and destructive behavior. What kind of world would this be without the pro-stealing-escort contingent, the types who make excuses for other people no matter how corrupt their conduct. We need the pro-thief sickos because they bring such diversity to the world.

 

Great point.

[Guest O solo mio]

>You sanctimonious bitter queen.

 

IMHO, whenever someone resorts to the tired old put down of "bitter queen", it means they have lost the argument and cannot defend themselves. PWIT, Doug gave you an opportunity to intelligently reply to the fact that you are defending BN's crime by attacking everyone else but BN, and you chose to play the "bitter queen" card, lay the bitter queen card and you lose.

[Guest O solo mio]

>I used to work with foreign students at the UofW and other

>institutions.

 

Louis, I think your heart is in the right place and it was nice to hear that you helped the student redo the paper in his own words, and hopefully stopped him from continuing to plagiarize, but it isn't fair to compare a student to Benjamin Nicholas. BN is a grown up businessman and this is his profession. We are not talking about once or twice but rather a couple years of regular theft. We are not talking about a term paper but rather a website that BN used/uses to help market his escorting services. Some have posted "I don't hire an escort for his writing, I hire for his ability to have fun in bed" but I'm sure there are men who read his blog who may have made hiring decisions based upon the persona and humor they saw in the blog.

 

A student copies a term paper and only he/she is affected. A businessman like BN steals copyrighted writings and uses them to make money and get, as BN himself has bragged, free merchandise from Aussie Bum and others, well that's a whole 'nother thing.

[Guest O solo mio]

>I used to work with foreign students at the UofW and other

>institutions.

 

Louis, I think your heart is in the right place and it was nice to hear that you helped the student redo the paper in his own words, and hopefully stopped him from continuing to plagiarize, but it isn't fair to compare a student to Benjamin Nicholas. BN is a grown up businessman and this is his profession. We are not talking about once or twice but rather a couple years of regular theft. We are not talking about a term paper but rather a website that BN used/uses to help market his escorting services. Some have posted "I don't hire an escort for his writing, I hire for his ability to have fun in bed" but I'm sure there are men who read his blog who may have made hiring decisions based upon the persona and humor they saw in the blog.

 

A student copies a term paper and only he/she is affected. A businessman like BN steals copyrighted writings and uses them to make money and get, as BN himself has bragged, free merchandise from Aussie Bum and others, well that's a whole 'nother thing.

[Guest O solo mio]

>While

>Plagiarism is inexcusable, I do believe that there is room for

>redemption...

 

I see some speaking of redemption and pity and compassion, but how many of us think BN would show any of the above if another escort stole BN's photos and was passing them off as his own, would BN show compassion or would he post a venomous attack on the escort in question, we've all seen his bitchy side, most recently in the escort death threads.

 

Doug reprinted for us BN's own vague threat of legal action against anyone who copied his work: "It's come to my attention that my journal writings are being cut & pasted onto other escort forums in a more unauthorized manner. It's not a huge issue really, but just keep in mind that this along with all of my websites are copyright protected. That includes all writing as well. Just a thought..." He may have said it was not a huge issue but it was big enough for him to make a veiled threat , and note he didn't say "I feel compassion for anyone who copies my journal postings and will continue to respect them as human beings."

 

>Do you really think

>that you can destroy in one day the successes, &

>accomplishments, reputation it took one man several years to

>build-up?

 

Kind of a silly thing to say now that we know the reputation and supposed accomplishments were based in part on fabrications and plagiarized writing, isn't it? IMHO, the only person who has harmed his reputation is BN himself.