300 is the new norm

[+ tassojunior]

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I think bargaining is disrespectful, specially when you talk about this kind of business. If folks aren't paying 300, he'll lower the price.

 

Is like showing a coupon for a discount while ordering dinner, you know the cook won't do his best, you're the "cheap guy".

 

Who came out with that comparison first? It's an excellent metaphor.

 

I have to respectfully disagree with you and agree with fellow socialist @latbear4blk. It's a commodity or service provided several times a day. Like an oil change. Price doesn't usually affect it unless it involves a hard request (s&m, water sports in reverse, etc.)

 

I told my Czech Bel Ami friends, Roald Ekberg and Tom Jacobs, 300 was the norm on RM and they got it at least 80% of the time. But everytime a request for 250 was made they immediately agreed. I'm pretty sure never 200 though. Of course back home they get 150 (sometimes 200E on RM....damn you RM spreading in Europe). But they are Bel Ami. There are two Bel Ami friends , Luke Volta and Ray Mata, who in the US never ever go below 350 (miami) or 400 (nyc). I think I did our community a favor holding my visitors down to 300 asking. They are 10's and hotter than the latter two.

 

OTOH my #1 who's the hottest in DC, routinely expects 300 plus 100 coke plus 100 tips when stripping at work, plus semi-monthly vacations for him and his gf, plus motorcycle repairs, plus karate lessons for his son, plus diapers for his daughter, plus sole heir in the will, plus, plus.plus ad nauseum. I say cheaper to rent than buy because he used to live with me 3 days a week but now it's 1 date a week with the same costs carrying over. Sex is cheaper than love. (That rant made me feel better and it sort of fit).

Edited February 4, 2019 by tassojunior

[BaronArtz]

I used to fear the same when I was in the anti bargaining club. I guess it is about connecting and communicating clearly and respectfully. The fact is that reality proved me wrong.

I think you would agree with an old common knowledge truth: there is no correlation between the height of the fee and the quality of the experience. Well, I came to believe from my own personal experience that there is no correlation either between bargaining/not bargaining and engagement and passion during the encounter.

 

Thank you for the great advice. I will put this in practice, and will report to this board how it goes.

[marylander1940]

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I have to respectfully disagree. It's a commodity or service provided several times a day. Like an oil change. Price doesn't usually affect it unless it involves a hard request (s&m, water sports in reverse, etc.)

 

I told my Czech Bel Ami friends, Roald Ekberg and Tom Jacobs, 300 was the norm on RM and they got it at least 80% of the time. But everytime a request for 250 was made they immediately agreed. I'm pretty sure never 200 though. Of course back home they get 150 (sometimes 200E on RM....damn you RM spreading in Europe). But they are Bel Ami. There are two Bel Ami friends , Luke Volta and Ray Mata, who in the US never ever go below 350 (miami) or 400 (nyc). I think I did our community a favor holding my visitors down to 300 asking. They are 10's and hotter than the latter two.

 

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Or BB and having to cum with the client.

[+ tassojunior]

Or BB and having to cum with the client.

 

I find BB is always a "no". No amount of money. Having to cum several times a day is really really hard and guys pretend. They go though bottles of viagra.

[marylander1940]

I find BB is always a "no". No amount of money. Having to cum several times a day is really really hard and guys pretend. They go though bottles of viagra.

 

I couldn't agree more!

[Deadlift1]

After reading all the hubbub about the product in Prague, i checked them out on the various websites. I also searched in Romania and Bulgaria. Im not sure what all the fuss was about the guys Tass brought over. I thought they were kind of average. I think an alternative search as Lat4black suggested might have produced better product at a better price.

[+ José Soplanucas]

Thank you for the great advice. I will put this in practice, and will report to this board how it goes.

 

Just remember I never open the negotiation. The kick start is up to the professional.

[instudiocity]

Apartments in WeHo are up to $2,600/mo, add utilities, gym, food and you’re over 10 hours a month @ $300!

[+ José Soplanucas]

Thank you for the great advice. I will put this in practice, and will report to this board how it goes.

 

- Be attentive to his vibe. If he catches an attitude, move on.

- If you still do not feel confident during the conversation, share your doubts. Tell him that you do not want to have sub standard services because you cannot pay the original quote.

 

The truth is that "300 is the new norm" is a well spread myth. Therefore, many are asking for 300 just because it feels like what you are supposed to do.

[+ tassojunior]

After reading all the hubbub about the product in Prague, i checked them out on the various websites. I also searched in Romania and Bulgaria. Im not sure what all the fuss was about the guys Tass brought over. I thought they were kind of average. I think an alternative search as Lat4black suggested might have produced better product at a better price.

 

but for many of us there simply is nothing finer than Bel Ami guys. And David (Roald Ekberg) is consistently the #1 experience for those of us who have sampled a lot. He's matured from a long-haired kid to a Nordic muscle god power bottom. And nicest guy ever with most beautiful smile and eyes. Passionate kisser....Impossible to understand until you've experienced him. He had several repeats twice a week for 5 weeks and it was ridiculous how guys were begging for repeats. He is addictive.... Tom Jacobs is a cute little guy with beautiful face and a real sweetheart. ........I would totally pass on Romania and Bulgaria. Ask others.

Edited February 4, 2019 by tassojunior

[DMICS]

 

The truth is that "300 is the new norm" is a well spread myth. Therefore, many are asking for 300 just because it feels like what you are supposed to do.

 

From what I've observed in my cities, this is so true. Many (especially new guys) are putting 300 just because. They see others and copy cat. Meanwhile, guys who have been around for a little you see regularly adjusting their rate from 300 down to 250-220. I doubt many that I see locally are getting 300 as often as the guys I see with a tad lower rate and much more feedback.

 

I'm lucky I have two regulars, both incredible hot guys that identify as 'straight' in relationships with women that meet me for half of that rate.

[+ goosh69]

$300 has been the norm for hot escorts in NY and LA etc forever. I always get 2 hours so really $600. But I’m super picky and sometimes go even higher. But only get like absurdly hot model types rom literal models.

[BabyBoomer]

$300 has been the norm for hot escorts in NY and LA etc forever. I always get 2 hours so really $600. But I’m super picky and sometimes go even higher. But only get like absurdly hot model types rom literal models.

 

No multi-hour discounts?

 

~Boomer~

[coriolis888]

In his defense, when I objected to 350 he quickly quoted me 300 for the hour.

 

What if I accepted 300? It gets the 'meeting' off to an awkward start. Or am I just too sensitive?

 

 

I don't think you are too sensitive.

 

If an escort asks for a certain price and you tell the escort it is too much, any cheaper meeting with the escort will most likely be negatively affected by the fact that he wanted more than you were willing to pay.

 

Some will say it does not matter about negotiating for a lower price but I disagree.

 

I think the lower price equates to a form of rejection of the escort.

 

I never negotiate. If the price is initially too high, even though the escort later offers to "bargain" with a lower rate, I never accept because the encounter is not likely to be as good as had I agreed to the original higher price.

[marylander1940]

Apartments in WeHo are up to $2,600/mo, add utilities, gym, food and you’re over 10 hours a month @ $300!

 

10 clients just to cover expenses... let alone saving for the future considering escorts may not be accepted in some jobs if their past comes up.

[SirBillybob]

All businesses have overhead. The average US inflation rate over past 10 years is 1.67% per year. That is reflected in income resources, COL, and purchase power. Should be a regular compass for a status quo service. I don't give a shit where they live. So charge me $5 more than last year, and so on. I have $5 more to spare. For a regular provider, that is a good deal considering the mileage racking up following the first drive off the lot. Typically, these guys do not age like a fine wine.

 

But this aspect is provider-specific according to longevity of contract with client ... the 'within' variable. My latest long-term earned the same over 5 years though my income inflated 12%. It was actually very generous at the get go.

 

In contrast, the 'between-provider' variable is impossible to reconcile. It is not as if there is one communist-era make and model on the lot. How can one price-set with so many factors at play, not the least of which is that the top-level inventory resides a flight away at 15-25% the US cost for play date?

Edited February 4, 2019 by SirBIllybob

[bostonman]

Having to cum several times a day is really really hard and guys pretend. They go though bottles of viagra.

 

This is why I don't tend to hire visiting escorts all that often, especially if they're only in town for a few days. I figure that with a local escort, even if they also have busy schedules, we can try to find a time when he won't be necessarily running from one appointment to the next. With a visitor on a tight schedule, I would not only assume but expect that he'll be seeing a lot of people, and I'm just one more.

 

And at this stage of the game, I'm willing to go for 250, but 300 still makes me hesitate.

 

I do dream of the day when the ultra-conservative wave we're in relaxes enough that sites will feel comfortable allowing rates back in the ads again. (Yes, I know Friendboy does that.) Seeing the rates used to be a tremendous guide in selecting the guys I'd want.

[MikeBiDude]

If an escort asks for a certain price and you tell the escort it is too much, any cheaper meeting with the escort will most likely be negatively affected by the fact that he wanted more than you were willing to pay.

Well, an escort could have said “no” and. That’s what negotiations are all about. I was alway taught not to be squeamish about any negotiating (business, pleasure) because when you make an offer “the worst they can say is no” i.e. it’s no big thing

 

Good chance if you go into a meeting thinking the encounter isn’t “likely to be as good” due to negotiation....there’s a better than 50% chance YOU are bringing that expectation to the negotiated meeting.

[kevininsa]

I think 300 is a lot too. it’s pretty much my upper limit for a session. Perhaps in nyc, there are many rich guys willing to spend 300 plus plus, but unfortunately i’m not one of them...hard for me to justify. I’d rather see someone for 200 on a weekly basis than periodically seeing someone who charges 300.

 

Exactly!

 

Do not go to the big names, guys. I am paying between 100 and 250 in the DC area.

 

That sounds good in theory, but when the guys in your market haven't done porn and still charge $300 because there aren't many here then you're kind of stuck.

[Gymowner]

Funny thing is that many escorts dont understand economics. They see all these guys getting into the trade so they figure "it must be a hot market". They start out with high rates thinking they are going with the flow (demand). Just the opposite will happen. alot of supply will usually cause prices to drop.

[kevininsa]

Mintboys, Friendboy, A4A, hook up apps, stripper bars.

 

Thanks @latbear4blk! I had not heard of Friendboy before today. Actually found someone that piqued my interest and with a decent rate.

[+ luckydog]

In Los Angeles I pay $200-250 mostly, and there is a lot in that range. A few even less. I don't get quoted $300 very often, but decline when I do, it just seems like a lot. I have had some really great encounters in that range. Maybe it's the new normal in some markets, but I don't see it so much with the ones I choose in LA.

[Rodrigo Suarez]

Yes, $300 is the new norm. That's why so many escorts are now masseurs b/c as escorts they didn't get enough clients. LOL

Also being a masseur is easier for some escorts as they can get away with providing a so-so massage and not feel obligated to provide extras.

[DMICS]

Funny thing is that many escorts dont understand economics. They see all these guys getting into the trade so they figure "it must be a hot market". They start out with high rates thinking they are going with the flow (demand). Just the opposite will happen. alot of supply will usually cause prices to drop.

 

Pretty much.

 

Mintboys, Friendboy, A4A, hook up apps, stripper bars.

 

I've tried locally on Grindr before but have been unsuccessful, in fact my profile currently mentions that right now. When I was visiting New York I got a bunch of inquiries but everyone's lazy there and no one wanted to travel, even if I offered to pay their transport. Also tried it at a stripper bar/cruising bar in NY but the dancer quoted me $300. He was good looking but not $300 worth IMO.

 

I may have to PM you for some tips lol.

Edited February 4, 2019 by DMICS

[+ Pensant]

- Be attentive to his vibe. If he catches an attitude, move on.

- If you still do not feel confident during the conversation, share your doubts. Tell him that you do not want to have sub standard services because you cannot pay the original quote.

 

The truth is that "300 is the new norm" is a well spread myth. Therefore, many are asking for 300 just because it feels like what you are supposed to do.

I’ve found that with particularly younger and hotter providers, the $300 rate becomes $500 foot two hours and everyone is happy!