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In my experience, usually not. Back when I was younger and had more patience with craigslist: I used to be okay dealing with people like that, with the exception that at least I was getting a steady stream of clients. But even if they do come around eventually: it's usually just 1 time, and then they fall right back into that flaky cycle. One client found out the hard way last year. I used to just tolerate it, but I told him off and turned down his lousy "discount". They go 5, even 10 YEARS without seeing you, and want to bring up "that's more than what I used to see you for". You think?

I hope so… Sometimes the by-product of “health scares” is people may be cautious. But instead of going about things sensibly, they ask for appointments which they know they have no real intent on keeping. Or they are very lazy about it: don’t want to follow instructions, directions, or requests. Or too stingy to want to come out of pocket. Expect the world on a platter (a hot, horny escort with a big dick who can host them TODAY and give them a massage), but gives a hard time doing what the provider asks. But this is great because it just means I need to stick with what I was doing all along, and not stray from it. Auto-replies and deposits. Rinse and repeat. It gets boring but, better than wasting time and hope on imbeciles who half ass go thru with things, which frustrates me and then I have to talk about it here 😆 .

I’m actually relieved you said that, so we can get it out of the way. I was “waiting” for a nasty reply to come out the woodwork. And congrats, you’re the first. Thank you. Because that simply deciphers those who really understand versus those like you (pigheaded) who instead of looking at solutions, rather ignore the facts and simply blame the provider. And FYI, low booking rate? What is YOUR booking rate? How many clients did you get this year and how much you made? Tell me that…and we can talk about my low booking rate.

In that case, no. I don’t think that would have been reasonable. Unless you didn’t mention you’d be driving 2 hours. But overall no.

i think the biggest issue is the money. As I mentioned, some of these guys are flaking because they don’t have an idea how much an escort/Nude masseur charges. They probably know a guy at a gym or spa who charged them $70/80 and then expects the same from someone who’s paying to be on a site and traveling to cities full time. I’m going to have to write to RentMen next because they’re not doing enough to educated clients as it is. For me to have to make my own website and pay an additional amount each month, to educate clients proves right there that some of it lies on the fault of the advertising platform. Then again, some of it probably just the quality of these guys. They’re probably already coming from a low quality state of mind. The fact that most can’t host, goes to show they’re in the position to only be able to have sex if they can go to another man’s place versus their own. Then, they don’t even have the decency to give any sort of notice, which goes to show additionally they have 0 respect for the other persons space or schedule. Which likely proves they go a long time before actually getting any. Because how many people out here can really host on super short notice? Not many I know. Even people with their own place aren’t keen on having unexpected company round the clock. That’s why no more same day hosting appointments will be allowed in my home base cities.

Because these type of things tend to come and go. Couple weeks ago I was counting over $1,000 over a course of a couple or so days. It’s not a constant state of struggle. It’s periodic times dealing in markets that are lacking the sustainability needed. And since I can’t just pick up and move across the country at ease with everything going on that could spell “lockdown” “monkey pox pandemic” or “recession”, I am limited in my options of immediate solutions. In the meantime, the business is still paying my bills, and other miscellaneous spending. It's also an enjoyable replacement to my sex life, because I can't stand being on "hookup apps" trolling for endless sex and "dates" for free with people who I stand little chance of making a relationship, let alone a friend. So I do enjoy the intimacy part of the biz, but it's the muck involved with setting things up that has gotten a bit more difficult. That’s not necessarily a problem with me or the business, it’s moreso having to deal with particular people like that. That’s why I say pigheaded men, not pigheaded escort business. It’s like if I worked in a store: I may do fine any other time and day, but if it’s “just” the Monday window shopper crowd that makes it miserable, that doesn’t mean I need to get out of that particular business. It’s just that time of week and day that I find is a struggle to work in the store. I also mentioned somewhere in another thread the reasons why. As many people are who “work”, even other industries, it’s not always easy to just say “I’ll quit” when you have to handle things week to week. It’s not a matter of whether I should leave or continue, it’s a more so a factor of making sure there’s respect and understanding going on.

Well couldn’t you have asked for the hotel information instead of canceling? That’s probably would have been a bit more courteous. However, I can understand the hesitation. It’s like one client the other week who wouldn’t send a deposit nor the address of the hotel. And this was a same day booking. I reported him, but he also has 2 other warnings from other escorts claiming he sent them on a wasted drive:

I feel some of it can be controlled. I just wrote a stern email to one site (not rentmen) about how I feel it’s very unfair and pointless to advertise on the site and not be able to post our rates. Some of these clients are not following thru because they have no idea how much we are charging. One “client” (who is now blacklisted on the “number”) had the nerve to tell me my rate was too expensive. Yet he expected me to drive 2 hours to a city that I advertise “nearby travel” in (and not for a lousy $100) get a hotel to host (because he wasn’t). The nerve, to call me expensive? Really. These people have no clue or idea what kind of service they are contacting and asking for, and don’t even have regard for the amount of work and money on our part, that is required to do it. It is highly frustrating. Those people have to be dealt with accordingly, but as someone said: one teaches the other. When people call at the last minute, no sort of notice: can you even expect to get clean sheets? Should a person want to cum for a client who called 30 minutes ago, same day notice…or should they cum for the client who booked more in advance for the longer session? There’s a saying: you get what you ask for. Lot of these clients ask for shit on a stick, so they get shit on a stick. You call me late: I’m going to show up late. You don’t want to give me time to get prepared, then I won’t be prepared. If the client shows up unprepared, in areas where they “should” be prepared: I’m not going to stay longer than necessary.

I wouldn’t go for that myself. That is why I have started consultation fees for new clients, to avoid things like this. It’s always when I back off and don’t follow my own protocols, that one thing leads to the next. I’m supposed to not even be allowing contact at all with these people, until they have sent me money to discuss. Because I can’t trust them to do things EVER without receiving money upfront. You can’t. I have trusted them over and over and over. All it happens is, you get a booking request for a session from such clients, THAT NEVER HAPPENS. I try to be nice and work with people and not be so tough, but it never works. Now I have to go right back to the usual routine.

Yeah, it’s me again. I know it’s getting old. But, I just don’t know what more do I need to say or do, to get people to do things sensibly. What kind of era are we living in right now? I don’t understand any of these clients these days. Its the same thing I’ve rehearsed 150,00,000 times. People don’t book in advance, they don’t give me any sort of notice that a session is going to be taking place. I can literally sit around all day and all night with no appointments planned, and the minute I decide to do something like: EAT, or see a friend, someone wants to reach out to me to meet. Then we I try to plan it for any further than NOW, it’s always, “oh I can’t. I leave tomorrow.” Or some other lame overused response. Well then you should of not waited until the last minute. Do these people think we live to squeeze in their bad planning 🤷🏾‍♂️ I am so angry right now that I have only had 1 client last week: yet several texts up and down on my phone, and all the rest didn’t follow thru. It’s very irritating and annoying. Now I have to argue and run people down for payment because I have proof on several messages, clients NAMING times for a booking, and then falling through on it (similar to how Elon Musk fell thru on Twitter..and notice how they aren’t backing down). It’s like every week I have to add another and another note to my profile: this week is, I AM NOT HOSTING SAME DAY APPOINTMENTS. People has no consideration or respect for my time or place if they think they can just call out the blue, and ask to come over when just moments ago, I didn’t even know they existed. Or, the clients who do contact once…vanish, and then come around again months later like it never happened. Then suddenly out the blue with extreme eager to meet right?? Like this one guy I told him off: Do they seriously think I’m not going to notice their text from last year showing where they explicitly ignored a detailed message about specific details/questions? Like what the fuck? Where are clients learning this behavior from? I want to know that, today. Who? Who the fuck is teaching them that you set up stuff with professionals like this? Is this Midwest ignorance or is this all of America? I’m just so ready to leave my region and just go to a completely different state already. I’ve never dealt with so many stupid fucking people in such a span of time. I’ve noticed some areas seem a bit better than others, but I notice this across the board in many areas. Even some of the travelers do the same thing. They come to town, no plans or previous outreach and just expect me to be available. I digress…it’s really sad. Then they don’t read ads so despite all the work I put in there, it don’t matter. Maybe I’m going to change my working name to: BESUREYOUHAVEREADMYADBEFOREYOUCONTACTMESOIDONTHAVETOSPENDTIMEONEXPLAININGEXACTLYWHATIEXPECTFROMYOU. Then I can advertise that I’m Russian or Ukrainian, that’s why my name is so long 🤦🏽‍♂️ Then when I talk to my outside friends about it, they’re no support. All they do is bad mouth the business (ironic huh, but no that’s not what I’m doing. I’m bad mouthing the lack of common sense, not the business) and give me no alternative except the usual. Yet, when it comes time for me to spend my money with them, they don’t stop and think about how I made it in the first place 🤔

Do the math and all your answers will be revealed. How many times does a client contact escorts per week? Per month? Per year? Now, how many times does an escort get contacted by clients per week? Per month? Per year? Right now, I’m going thru my phone sending cancellation fee requests (requested sessions for specific times and didn’t bother to follow thru or follow my booking instructions, thus wasting my time and not paying accordingly) who contacted me in the past few days, and it hasn’t even been a week. So far, about 5. That should explain it all. So don’t it’s irrelevant to talk about how other providers don’t show up. When in fact we’re dealing with timewasters on practically a daily basis.

I was talking to someone today who said, “I almost hired an escort, but then I changed my mind because I thought he could be a cop”. I understand it, but it goes to show how shitty and backwards America is. Things here are still being criminalized, that aren’t in other countries. It’s similar to how Americans are feeling the unfair prosecution of the Olympian girl in Russia is. Yes it’s horrid. But for years, America has and still does horrid things to its citizens as well. I know that’s a leap of a comparison but, one thing affects the rest. Maybe deposits wouldn’t be necessary…but not taking them doesn’t make things any easier

Okay, fair enough. However, I think whenever you bring that up, you have to add “but I’m in London where it’s less conservative and not under the same stigmatic laws as the U.S.” Once you say that, then it’s right away a different dynamic. I wouldn’t have numbers to give, but I’d say atleast 1 or 2 inquiries every week that don’t follow thru. The number was higher before I started doing deposits. It may not always be a flat out no show but, especially when you add Covid and monkey pox to the mix, it really requires having something more dependable. Also I have to travel for majority of my bookings, because my area is mostly devoid of clients. I’m not going to drive 1-4 hours away, and get a hotel without a deposit. I used to be able to do that, but so many are full of shit nowadays, I had to adapt the best I could.

We’ve long graduated from being called “boys” thank goodness 😅

This has been discussed before: Clients will pay deposits, but a person just has to have a good rapport built up, or some sort of existence outside of the usual sites. Before I had my own website, I was passing out business cards and had it as my iMessage avatar. I mainly only see clients with deposits. I know some people don’t want or like to but, the times I didn’t I regretted it. I’ve even had previously flaked clients send a deposit once they realize I’m not with the BS. Every so often I have to reschedule, but I always use it towards the following meet unless an extended amount of time goes by. Some may be fine by no deposits, but understand some escorts really won’t work without one. There’s plenty who do.

I can say, the one client I did have in Branson happened to be a smoking hot “daddy” 👨🏼 (but only a couple years older than me). He was out boating earlier in the day at the “lake” so we met up in the evening. But other than that, that’s a pretty accurate description. I went out to breakfast the next day, and was like the only non-white person, and almost the only one period until a couple walked in. If you think that’s bad though, it gets worse lol. Once you get outside of Kansas City and St. Louis (which is fun in comparison but despite being less conservative, more like ultra cliquey or not really open to newcomers) The whole of Missouri is just as you described. White. Or Yokel. Or both lol. I think the potential is there, but it’s so conservative and family oriented. Other than that, I wonder why RentMen/masseur is almost nonexistent in such areas, but Adam4 Adam and Grindr have at least a few people. The nearby town of Springfield has had some providers come and go, but it’s probably because next to nobody is booking in the area. You almost have to advertise for days and weeks and, specifically have to have your home location set in the area. Which isn’t efficient when you could be advertising in the bigger locations. I’m also concerned about the “new” RentMen look. Is it going to make things better, or does it risk becoming another Adam4Adam that changed its style, and lost a lot of members in the process? I don’t think the site needed a layout change, just better features.

Well, right now Vegas sounds more fun than my current market. Funny thing is: Kansas City and St. Louis both have casinos, but Las Vegas is one of the few cities that have come up with a “strip” that’s world renowned. I used to drive the Vegas strip long before actually going, on the popular arcade game “cruising USA”. Also, there’s Branson Missouri which has been dubbed the “Las Vegas of the ozarks”, but I have tried extensively to advertise there and get clients: to no avail. Maybe I’m so used to cities like Miami, San Francisco, and DC having a “name”…. So it seems equal that a place like Branson could be a great place to escort and find clients. So far, usually always just inquiries and the occasional “my wife is looking to play” requests. The only places to get steady clients in Missouri is St. Louis or Kansas City, with the once in a blue bookings in other towns. And even then, both cities are usually no rhyme or rhythm. St. Louis can be busy one week, dead the next. Kansas City lately has been consistently quiet in the past few months since the lockdowns tapered off. I been trying to settle down in St. Louis long term, but I just can’t 100% be confident people are going to do what they’re supposed to do. There’s weird dynamic in both Kansas City and St. Louis: there’s a demand for Black men, but not so much for Black providers. They either want it for free, or come around once or twice but aren’t consistent. And there’s not a whole lot of demand in either to support 3, 4, 5 other Black providers all posting at the same time. I really prefer to be in a city that’s either more business/tourist/retirement traffic, or where I can be a novelty. Las Vegas has the traffic, but not the novelty. Kansas City and St. Louis are mostly just cliquey, conservative “career types”. If I can find the place where I can be novelty, with good tourist/business traffic AND a dependable local base: I would move there ASAP. Denver and Phoenix used to have those properties, but they lost the novel considering so many guys have been getting into it.

Who told you that? For me it has nothing to do with money, but more about the fact I don’t have the luxury to sit around and be ready for appointments that I never know is going to happen. Just think about it: if you called a family member that You’ve not seen in months or years and just said, “hey Bob, I want to come over now/in an hour. U avail?” That would come off very weird and disrespectful. But that’s how MSMs looking to pay for it, pretend it’s okay. It’s not. The guy who contacted me Friday asking this, hasn’t contacted me since 2021: over a year ago. Then had the audacity to ask me to meet in the afternoon, after he didn’t show up to the last appointment. Also: I have to once again make it clear, I’m not saying there’s anything wrong with same day appointments. I have been taking same day appointments for years, and continue to do so now. It’s not same day appointments that are the issue, it’s those with LIMITED time windows, where they probably SHOULDN’T request same day appointments. Notice the title and the reference I’m making. Want a same day appointment? Great! I’m down. But this is when I’m available to do it, if someone wants the booking, same day: they need to be willing to accommodate the time I can do it. Problem is, most don’t or are unable to. Then it just leaves me like 🤷🏾‍♂️ well, if I knew you couldn’t meet any later than X time today, I would have planned accordingly. But since you just threw this request in my lap, that’s not enough time for me.

Well my philosophy on that is usually: don’t take it out on me, because I’m not them. And a client could also say, “well don’t take it out me!” And next thing you know, it becomes a competition on who should be more trusting of whom. I’m just like look: If you go to someone’s place of business, you can’t just barge in and break all the rules. Already twice this week, I’ve had someone who either didn’t read the ad or purposely thought I could make an exception. No.

Well…I can’t speak for being blocked on RentMen specifically, but if you faked out on another provider in the past, maybe info was shared and you’re on his “do not rent list”. Lol… good point. Man oh man. I just don’t know what to say about that anymore. I’ve had this come up lately, and even though I would love to foster a good escort on escort connection, many of these guys have approached me with trashy 🚮 vibes. I can see filming content being a valid reason, but I’ve now had 2 guys flake out on even doing that. One didn’t want to come to my place because it was “too far”, nor could he host. Another guy was down for awhile, then changed up tune last minute. Then he started talking smack towards me, after I shared some personal insight with him…which I won’t do with again. Then added extra commentary about how he, and another local escort have hooked up together. I’m getting closer to: if there’s not a direct plan to doing something business related, I don’t want to be bothered. Some of these other guys out here come off real weird in their vibes. Just makes me wonder what’s up with them. I don’t need the presumptuous, phony behavior around me. I deal with that enough as it is 🤦🏽‍♂️ Like, I just had a “client” yesterday walk into my room and only had $20 and some change. Fortunately I learned my lessons in the past, to NEVER provide a service to clients from certain sites, who haven’t already paid a full deposit. Showed him the 🚪

Even in a spur of moment case like this, it sounds like the 2 of you also were nearby and had some options and flexibility on who can host who. Which is an advantage… I don’t mind short notice stuff when in a setting that’s conducive for it. But, asking to meet short notice like in the middle of the day during the week isn’t quite so. If it’s late night, and I’m hosting or able to travel out with my “available now” green light on, then by all means something short notice can be anticipated and welcome.

+2 on that. I did notice in San Francisco there has always been less “spur of moment” bookings. I wish I could move there. Likely because a big city as such, people just can’t do that. It takes atleast some intent of planning to navigate traffic and the fact not every gay lives in the same neighborhood in town, like some cities often expect escorts to be in. It seems like some of these “medium big” cities seem to operate on a basis of meeting “now”. Often due to the need to squeeze in time when the wife or hubby steps out. Not knocking anyone who needs to be discrete or has such situations. But I can’t be humanly expected to accommodate something on short notice, that I don’t know is supposed to happen. I think that’s the headbanger of working in certain markets. It can be hard, when most of the bookings seem to come at unexpected times. I can literally sit around all day, and have free time to myself. No one books. But every time I decide to spend time with someone in personal life, that’s when they want to meet NOW. It never fails. Ever.

Las Vegas has the potential when done strategically. I learned after my first visit, never go unless it’s a confirmed client or 2. To just go there and set up shop to take appointments will 99% of the time lead to disappointment. I even worked in Reno and had the same results. Was so tired after driving from San Francisco, and needed an extra day break before continuing on to my next destination. Had 2 clients, non who actually showed up. I won’t make that mistake again. A hard lesson I learned: just because a city has lots of escorts doesn’t mean shit in terms of how great it’ll be. It can be enticing to a rookie, to go to a crowded market, thinking: there’s lots of escorts there, this will be great for me. It’s rarely the case. At least not in America where everyone is attention deficit or, can plan an appointment more than 30 minutes after conception.

That’s the thing: I understand horny but I need something to work with. Even if I was just a guy out here looking, I’d contact the person and ask how we can meet, whether host or travel/etc. and be prepared to do either. Lot of these guys just come to the table expecting something to be laid out for them: that I never expected to begin with. Then the day I was hosting, only 1 pre-booked client showed up (we haven’t met since last year because he’d also do the same thing) but finally gotten to understand it’ll never happen if I don’t get enough notice. We stay right down the street from each other too… I had someone like that earlier this month. It was almost amusing to just keep telling him no, no, no…day after day after day. It’s like, when are you going to get it? I’m never going to be available, for something I don’t even know I need to be available for lol. We did finally meet but, I think he tried it again and I was unavailable again. Having an ad up doesn’t mean available at any time. It would be nice to do so, but the times I do that: I end up getting so bored that I leave town or check out of the hotel I’m in. That’s what people don’t get: I can’t just pay for something with no guarantee on return. And hotels right now are just unfairly expensive. I seen a lady in the Bay Area who charges an EXTRA $200 to host clients. I’m starting to lean towards that myself ASAP as possible (though maybe just an extra $100-150). I’m just getting so annoyed by stuff like that. You either have to pay for an expensive apartment in the city, or rent hotels to be able to accommodate most clients. I opted for the latter because I don’t like the pressure of trying to pay rent, and there’s been many times I’ve mailed rent checks out while I’m on tour paying for hotels.

This seems to be a never-ending discussion and I just don’t know how men will ever evolve to understand… What I can’t understand, are clients who contact for an appointment…usually same day. They are hurried to meet by a certain time, yet will send a message like 1 or 2 hours before the latest they can meet: which is often something like, text me at 11:30-1230 in afternoon but can only meet by 2 p.m. it’s often always the same old times too. Where do people learn this behavior from? You can’t expect to just barge into someone’s schedule without any sort of coordination. What’s worse is: it’s not like these people are new to hiring. They been doing the rounds for awhile. Common sense should tell them: I probably shouldn’t contact an escort the afternoon that I have time free (and 99.9% of time, they expect me to also be ready to host). Like, if they’re going to do that, at least be flexible. Be able to host AND travel. Lot of them can only do 1, and expect instant accommodation. No, life doesn’t work that way. Idk why some expect me to run my schedule like a lottery. I have to be “lucky” and “catch them” at the right pick of the draw. Why make someone you want to hookup and have a relaxing time with, feel rushed and annoyed. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Doesn’t make much sense. On top of that: even if a person can host, how would they know if the escort’s location is convenient to where they can get to in the amount of time they need? Like today: there was a drive-by that had the main freeway coming out of downtown shutdown, and traffic was diverted and backed up for miles. Even if I agreed to see him, he would have been very late arriving and likely not able to come at all.