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Does anyone get these? You know who they are: they show up 1 time, and then after that you can’t ever get them to go thru with an appointment, even though they seem to always have an interest in doing one. Either they contact too short notice to coordinate anything, or they seem to only be available when they want to be, never when I can make availability for them. Or they just flake on the next or subsequent sessions, never to be heard from again. Why. Why do they do it? I just had this issue with 3 people this week (and all 3 have been reported accordingly)🤦🏽‍♂️

That’s probably facts. However, I do also take my work seriously. Though I do believe scheduling a time “window” can be less pressure than “if you’re not here sharp at xx:xx, you’re cancelled”. That doesn’t mean not taking it seriously. I recently had my windshield replaced, where the guys come to my place and do it. They didn’t give a specific time, but rather a sort of time window. That’s perhaps how some guys should go by…when it comes to outcalls. Especially in big cities where traffic and getting places can take longer. I’ve even gotten my hotel accommodations close to where my outcall of the evening will be hosting, just so I don’t have to worry about being delayed. I do agree slightly when I am hosting, it’s easier for me to be on time when I’m already wherever I need to be.

Your intention sounds good, but this can come off a bit bitchy. Because: if I make these same sort of requests from clients, they don’t even respond at all. Also, “continue my evening without you” just automatically comes off like the escort is unimportant. And if you meant “more than 30 minutes late for any reason”, that’s very uncompromising. This is a good strategy. And yes, I’ve suggested to clients as well to leave buffer times when arranging appointments. Some people try to squeeze in bookings too close to other plans. I had a scenario last month in Seattle (one of the reasons I’ve implemented mandatory deposits for ALL new clients), where the client specifically said he’d be available “after 7 p.m.” on Friday evening in our original booking texts. However, he failed to inform me that he conveniently and without my knowledge “made plans” after our session, probably within 30 minutes of our 1 hour session. However, he decided to change it to meaning he said AT 7 p.m. Well, I was taking care of something that ran me past 7 pm. by about 45 minutes. He got up the ass attitude about it, and rudely cancelled on me. Fucker didn’t even give a deposit or cancellation fee. It was an outcall so, it wasn’t like he was waiting in my hotel lobby. If he had even a bit of integrity, he should have told me the moment he decided to add plans to his evening, and asked me if that would be okay. And if I had known, I would have better adjusted my schedule to ensure “after 7 p.m.” meant “at 7 p.m.” I’m one of those “occasional late” types, BUT the way people define late is often in a way that implies “my time is more important than yours, so don’t be late”. And that is where I have to draw the line. It also depends on the context of being late. If an escort is traveling to a client, in some cases cross state or country commuting…there needs to be some buffer time as @BuffaloKyle stated. I’ve had times people book sessions with not ample notice, and expect timely arrival. Well…I didn’t really know said appointment was happening so, I may not have the necessary awareness that I need to adjust my time to coordinate. The other thing too is: When you spend a lot of time running around on a daily basis, it’s hard to stay organized and on time. I know people who are on time to everything, but their organizational skills are in chaos. They’re busy being on time for everyone else, but neglect their own self responsibilities. Some people have to understand that when you’re trying to do multiple things at once in a different element, it’s not always going to be on the dot time. I also periodically require some time throughout the day to routinely “decompress” especially if I’m switching between activities or have commute to a client. Even a 1 hour session with a client, can actually take up 3 hours of the day when you factor in getting ready, driving there, driving back, stopping at the store, getting gas etc. I also have had friends, especially GAY friends who do things very spontaneous. Or, they had plans for it first, and then run it by me after the fact and expect me to be able to make it happen as soon as they can. No, that’s not fair. They get a head start in the activity, because they planned it already. If I’m truly supposed to be on time, inform me at the same time the idea for the plans is being coordinated so I can have a say in the planning. Not AFTER the plans are already made.

I did a somewhat increase of my sessions, by 50 across the board. But, I didn't in reality. I kept things to what I been already getting, but I've decided to not offer sessions under about 200. Because of my commute, a typical 1 hour session can add up to about 3-4 hours of my day (or evening, which often means reserving the entire part of that day). Even to host requires a bit of coordination. So things like $150 introductory sessions had to be bumped up.

I just can’t see this tread continuing. I think prices are going to max out, and then BOOM 🤯 recession, and everything goes back down. That was the light in the tunnel of Covid, but seems like they always have to turn around and make back up for it. Gas in Missouri is usually 1 of the lowest amongst the states. It’s averaging $4 a gallon right now. Business here has also been devastatingly bad. Makes me want to leave…ASAP.

That’s like saying: “at least nobody was killed during the hurricane/tornado/car crash etc. yes, nobody was killed but: whoever is living still has to endure the circumstances that happened. Granted that’s a bit dramatic example but, it goes to show. flaked and ghosted is still just as bad as a client canceling a session in a situation where someone made concessions to coordinate them (and the amount of times I’ve done it is untold). Any client who thinks they somehow are doing charity by “letting me know” they are essentially flaking out, is still not considerate unless they pay for the session cancelled I take it as a “no guarantee” on both sides.

I agree: not responding at all can be messy and rude, especially considering many in the gay community communicate that way. I’ve come across untold amounts of gay dudes who prefer to just slip away and stop responding to messages, versus just being real. However, the context I made was not “admitting” to neglecting or responding to clients by any means. I was simply giving examples of where I may not even have realized the message ever came thru; likely because I was communicating with someone else at the same time (in person or via text), or was away from the phone when the inquiry came thru. That doesn’t happen all the time, but over a course of dozens of texts and hours/days, even weeks of traveling: it’s bound to happen some point or another. I see this in real life all the time with my barbers. I text them, and may not even hear anything back for an hour, day or more. I know to still call and show up regardless. I’ve had people cancel sessions because they texted me early in the morning to “reconfirm”, and because they “didn’t hear from me” for a short time (despite confirming previously and/or the session not being for later in the day)…assumed I wasn’t on anymore. Which once again, is another universal reason why I’m only seeing new clients once a deposit has been made.

lol I luv turtles 🐢! Though I would not let it roam around unattended as reptiles are expert Escape artists (ask me how a creature with no legs manages to pop out of an aquarium, and climb itself up on a curtain rod 🤦🏽‍♂️ You’re making this too easy for me. C’mon, you’re talking about COWORKERS. People you’ve actually met before, and people you probably…aren’t trying to fuck or have sex with. A random TEXT from a complete unexpected stranger can’t be compared to a coworker who knows what your business hours are. However, it’s a good point you do mention business hours because I had to recheck yesterday that I clearly put that in my ad and my website. Many escorts are not going to have “business hours” per say because it’s just not a whole lot of room to convey that. Bingo Bingo and Bingo Bingo again. Example: During the week I have hobbies I do which usually require me to be engrossed in a project and I absolutely CANNOT be distracted. I’ve done that many times, engaged in chat with clients, only for them to turn out to be on bullshit and waste my time. Leaving me more annoyed and frustrated than already on the task at hand. This is real life photo (the first one lol) of me with part of my engine removed to change spark plugs on my V8 engine. During a project like this, unless a client is going to meet me in my garage and suck me off: don’t bother 😆 So, eventually I would leave my work phone out of reach and ignore and “dings” until I was done. But being I couldn’t resist, I find it better to just remove my number and require all new inquiries to pay and arrange a consultation to reach me. I was in 💯 agreement with everything until you said “messy”. Maybe they just didn’t notice your message? There’s been many times I thought I replied to a client, and got distracted. 2 weeks later I scroll through my phone and can’t recall how the fuck I didn’t notice the message. But again, this is also the benefit of me now asking deposits/consultation fees and not displaying my number any further. I get to better focus on client texts, versus just getting miscellaneous inquiries that eventually fall on deaf ears (like literally, sometimes I hear my phone but because it goes off so many times a day, sometimes my natural focus mechanism just ignores it). Nobody is saying you’re a bad guy. Let’s clarify that. We’re just saying your expectations based on your actions, are not conducive. You’re doing the same routine, and getting the same results. Texting at 10 a.m. First of all: the part time escorts are likely at work, and the full time escorts (like me) are likely just starting their day, or getting ready to check out of their hotel/moving to the next city. If you text me at 10 a.m., and I’m staying in a hotel, planning to checkout at noon: you’re going to get 1 of 2 answers: hurry up and get here by 11 a.m. (so I can **** you for an hour, and have an extra 30-60 minutes to checkout LATE). Or, you’re going to say you can’t get there soon enough, and can I meet at 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and I’ll say: I’m not able to extend an extra day unless I receive a deposit. And people do this day in, day out…the same way you are: and wonder why I have to reinvent and strategize regularly.

Don’t tell me the dog licked the cum too 🤮 . I prefer guys leave their pets in another room. I didn’t sign up for bestiality, and the only time I am okay being watched is on video or a (male) client’s partner. I had one guy before was like, “my dog(s) will want to sleep in the bed with us tonight, he always does”. I got up and checked into a Sheraton at 2 in the morning. This is not 3way dating with the dog.

As amusing and accurate as you are: this has been my reality the past couple of weeks. It’s really just becoming ridiculous, and it’s proving more and more each day why I can no longer leave my phone number up in my ads. Yesterday I had 2 “clients” epic fail attempt to arrange a session “tonight”. One I didn’t reply to because it sounded fake right off the bat, the other contacted at nearly 10:30 p.m. for an outcall at “a hotel” (no name) 20 minutes away. I replied less than an hour later with complete details: no response. It didn’t seem like either one read my ad. It’s like just looking at pictures, seeing a city and scrolling to number. I don’t know what has happened to the concept of booking things in advance, but at least in small market middle America 🇺🇸: it’s dead. It’s been like 2 weeks straight: I’ve had nothing but same day/short notice booking requests and have only gotten to meet 1 out of them all. When people do book in advance, they’re like “how long are you in town”. That’s not booking in advance. Then most of these people, I take time to respond to them with the necessary info, and they don’t even reply back. Some just want to throw me a text, tell me where they are and me to just say YES, I CAN COME NOW/TONIGHT. No questions/proof asked. It doesn’t work like that. I am not UberGrindr.com. This mentality nowadays is inefficient/distracting and I have to deal with it by requiring everyone to schedule a paid consultation first. Just like the person above said, “I give a guy half an hour to reply and I consider this to be EXTREMELY generous and even then sometimes I'm unable to secure a meet up.” I just can’t tell if this mean: “the escort can’t secure a meet up for me”, or if it means “It’s not fast enough to secure a meet with me”

Let’s turn the script around for a minute: The escort inputs their available now green light in the morning. Any client who doesn’t contact by say: 3 pm hotel check in or 12 pm checkout time, misses their chance. Or, I contact all my regulars and ask if they can meet “today”, and if they don’t respond in a generous, lengthy 30 minutes, I’ll book another client and they’ll miss their turn. Even though; I reached out to them saying I’m available. You don’t have to answer because I already know what it would be: likely not. Most clients who expect us to be available at drop of dime, are generally never are themselves when the escort reaches out of the blue. I texted 2 clients this week about sessions that they reached out to me for. Neither one has replied and it’s been over 24 hours. One requested to meet today, I’ve not heard nothing back since Tuesday. At the same time: I understand the dynamic is different and at times it’s necessary to arrange things on same day notice. But we’ve already heard several examples of providers who don’t show their phone numbers or do same day visits. How do they get clients in a “moment’s notice” culture? I think at the end of the day, it helps to know escorts are people just like clients. Having an ad and phone number on the internet is no guarantee of availability. Even on free sites: nobody is really ever available when you want it, unless they’re on drugs or it’s late at night. Dates just don’t work that way. I feel if someone regularly approaches with that mentality, they may be more off seeking fun at a bathhouse where everybody is already ready. Speaking of Ludicrous and minute men: lol

That’s always a good way of doing it. I’ve also at times passed out my biz card, which mentions nothing of prices or sex work. It’s almost just a “this is title and way of contact”. I’ve been able to gain some bookings from it that way. However, I find the app to be a bit more work and rejection than I’m willing to add on to from the other sites. Sometimes if I’m in a gay open minded/wealthy/limited area market that I know guys are more open to pay, I may do so. But I’m finding sadly Adam4Adam is losing its market rapidly, to where it’s barely functioning to get clients anymore. On a recent tour to several cities, I probably only got like 1 or 2 A4A clients show up.. out of maybe a dozen ago inquired. And many like to do the not give out phone number thing, and I don’t book anyone from it without one. Mainly because the ones who don’t, usually don’t show up. So I might need to retap into the Grindr/Scruff market myself. Especially since RentMen and Masseur can be fairly non existent in many areas. That’s the thing, often it is someone who’s an occasional hire or need a degree of hand holding to get to the point. I also do feel compelled to offer a discount of some of my rates considering it’s free advertising. Plus people don’t tend to have the same rate there as the other sites. I was looking at a site, googled near me called “escort alligator” with takes to various sub sites. I went on there, and I only seen (questionable looking) guys offering stuff for like 100/150. Even though some see that as a comfortable rate, that’s not sustainable Full time escort rate.

This is a good gesture on your part. I also own a couple vehicles, and not only is gas expensive but my commute to clients can generally be pretty far. I either travel between cities or have to drive to neighborhoods/areas of town where clients are more common. Which has often meant going clear across town. Which I don’t mind…but it adds up day to day, and a nice gesture is welcome. Yes, between that and reviews, it too is a welcome gesture. But I must say: that does assume an escort is frequenting said area often enough to “be back in town”. Some areas I do visit every few weeks/couple months, but others I may not tour again for a year or 2. Or in the case of my last tour: places I haven’t been in years. Unless an escort is consistently hitting the same locations for a regular period of time, it’s often that the same clients won’t be available when they’re back. With that being the case, it doesn’t hurt to add a bit of extra thanks at the end. Don’t wait until “next time” to show extra gratitude, it can be done while the time is present. I’m glad I didn’t even notice this. Way back in August lol. This person sounds like a regenerated troll, based on his previous posts. I hope everyone has enough integrity and common sense not to feed into such vile, discouraging, hating, spiteful, and lack of decency and inconsiderate language. People like this, will likely suffer later in life for how they treat people. If they aren’t already. In fact, the very fact this person claims I “always have problems” is in itself a giveaway of what perception this person holds. Which is a shitty one. All I was doing was describing a circumstance that I encountered. The negative commentary was very unnecessary, childish, and petty. Get a life, Seriously. The world is at war, people are getting sick and dying everyday. People are having a hard time just trying to get by day to day. Nobody has a right to unprovoked negativity and nonsense. Keep that shit to yourself, where it belongs Now that’s addressed, back to the topic at hand 👏🏽

The “poster of this thread” doesn’t sound like a provider to me. But if you’re referring to me, I suggest maybe you be less condescending and judgmental about how someone chooses to do biz. Some people think just because we put boundaries in place to create a more workable relation with clients, that somehow it equates to not being right for the business. I have a right to run things the way I choose to, and I’m choosing to based on what the current trends have already proven. And what’s proven is: unless I want to have my time wasted day in, day out: I can’t operate the same way I did before, it takes evolving and having the courage to believe I can. And if anyone else think it’s just me, someone reached out to me earlier and informed me this: hi, I know a provider who so far had 3 NO shows this year, a total record, he also says the amount of teasers has increased dramatically. So yeah, it’s where things are right now. If someone thinks I need to find another line of work: in that case everybody in it needs to find another line of work.

Good call. I’m 6’2…and hover around 205-210 pounds. I generally plateau at about 212-215 pounds. I’d have to be in the gym almost daily and eating massively to get beyond that. The guy pictured would be more like 225 pounds.

I hear you wholeheartedly, unfortunately this is just the way I have to do things. I am tired and fatigued of people contacting me and not being serious. I’m not even talking about people with genuine interest, just randoms. I know there are still good clients like the old days, but now it’s just too much games and BS. I can’t count how many times I get inquiries, often wanting stuff short notice and then I interrupt to accommodate, only for them to stop responding or come up with some last minute excuse: ” my son came home early “my coworker just walked in ”I got Covid “My wife just walked in ” sorry I can’t meet in 45 minutes, that’s too late ”can you meet now? ”Can you (drive somewhere an hour away on short notice) I’ve been doing this for 12 years. At some point, the realization comes that my ad has more than enough details for clients to make a decision before they reach me. Many inquiries are commentary or fantasies that don’t hold much weight. They’re hoping to get something with minimum effort and commitment, which was fine for Grindr/Craigslist, but not when I’m paying $79.99+ to be on a site. I’m paying upfront to advertise, buy supplies, have a phone and transportation + accommodations: therefore I need people who are going to invest something off the bat, not just speculation and false hopes. As far as being available for the day and time a person is looking for: that’s what a consultation is for. To be available, I have to coordinate that with the client. The consultation/deposit for the initial setup still applies. If the time doesn’t work for the person, they just have to use that as a token towards a future visit. When I have made exceptions and not taken deposits/consultation fee, some have still fell thru. The ones who don’t are likely to fall thru/change their minds last minute anyway. I went thru my phone yesterday and unblocked all the numbers (something like 30-50) stored on my phone. Something I try to do every 6 months to give 2nd chances. I was looking thru messages and seeing what might of prompted me to do so. Even when I was easy and “user friendly” (like someone on the forum described), they didn’t follow thru. Some I gave my address to, or arranged sessions with, and they couldn’t be bothered to show up or even give me a response. So now, I have to play hard ball. Being high demand can be a blessing and a curse. You have to take what you can, but limit the access people have.

Don’t get me started on California. The hotel rates are exorbitant. San Francisco was reasonable the week I went, but Palm Springs, and places I wanted to go to like San Raphael and Napa were above and beyond. Sometimes I feel hotels purposely make themselves expensive for the sake of keeping cheap and undesirables away.

Yeah hotel rates and their corresponding deposits for the budget companies have been a bit higher since post lockdown. I usually always strive to stay in decent accommodations, even if it’s not Marriott or Hilton. But a budget hotel can easily end up being $200-$250 if they charge an extra deposit. I try to book via the hotel as much as possible nowadays, not really doing 3rd party discount sites unless its a city that has a lot of mid and high rise hotels for reasonable prices.

It was never worth it to me to fly even when it was cheaper. Flight, baggage (packing light is not a concept for me lol), then staying in expensive downtown or boring airport hotel. Then fees and prices here and there…all add up, and if a client or 2 don’t show up, that’s an instant lost. Add to that, if you need to stay longer or end it shorter…you’re at the mercy of a flight ticket. Only time I would fly if it were a particular weekend session, in a place with a client I could trust.

This is most ethical behavior. I wish more had the same integrity. Getting Covid is hard news, but at the end of the day it’s not the provider’s fault nor should they have to lose out. I had a client who cancelled the day of claiming Covid from a party he went to the night before, that someone apparently said they had tested positive. So he cancelled “so he could get tested”. Which of course he did. Still waiting to get cancellation fee. I assume this could be why many providers only accept bookings from people who are “ready now”, but I’m not in a position where I can work that way all the time. Plus even that isn’t any surefire way to prevent last minute flakes. I decided I need to up my deposit to HALF the session price going forward. People cancel and leave me hanging, and I’m not just “available” 24/7 or on short notice, so that often leaves me not able to fill in apppintments right away. I’m just so tired of being lead on and my time wasted and then being short on money I relied on to take care of other things. The amount of games and BS is become highly discouraging and disappointing. It’s almost nobody can be relied on. I haven’t had an actual appointment follow thru now in over a week. And I don’t even count that because the guy was someone I blocked 2 years ago, and he snuck thru using text mail to reach me. He has a habit of ending the session abruptly, and seems he has a mental disorder. Doesn’t help though that my area is particularly high client turnover, and many of the “potential” clients who have contacted me in the area have been blocked due to annoying/flaky behavior or failure to follow advance notice policy when booking (random shit like texting me every few months for me to host on short notice, or cancelling a pre-scheduled visit and not leaving any form of deposit or cancellation fee).

Here’s an article from another industry, which includes real life responses: that should help squash every “deposit=scam” rumor out there for good (would be nice lol) https://behindthechair.com/articles/what-would-you-do-charging-your-clients-deposits-for-appointments/amp/ “Always charge a deposit for long appointments and new clients. We are too busy for wasted appointments. If they are serious they pay the deposit no questions asked!” – @thehairboutique814 “I always take deposits. I take 50 percent deposits for color…No deposit, no appointment! Simple as that.” – @lucieluella

Reality is: even cash paying clients can still do a deposit as well. There’s ways. Some have even mailed me cash, which I don’t recommend but…something better than nothing. As for losing cash paying guys, the thing is: They’ll probably be lost anyway. Again: it assumes if, IF they actually fully go thru with it. Which, lately it seems they don’t. Maybe they will, maybe they won’t. Who knows? All I know is: Me being a paid provider doesn’t start AFTER the session or AFTER I book a hotel or AFTER I drive to XYZ. It starts the moment I pay $79.99 or $39.99 on RM. The unfortunate part is there are scammers out there who mess things up for the genuine ones. But there’s also bad apple clients who mess it up for the potential good ones too. Like I say, some clients talk about being “taken” once or twice. Whereas I may deal with a similar situation multiple times in a month. It’s also true that some markets require a deposit more than others. I know for a fact, I refuse to work in Denver or Kansas City without a deposit these days. Same as with Atlanta, Chicago or other overly escorted cities. But right now, it’s not so much a market/city thing but more of a personal need. I need to be able to do other things with my time, besides being contacted all hours of the day at random by people who are just making “inquiries” and not following thru.

Unless it’s someone like me with lots of good reviews 😉 https://rentmen.eu/Jarrod_Brandon I wish I could still do things without a deposit like I used to, being able to do things without much screening effort. But I feel because of the disappearance of craigslist, RM has become the “universal” site for all kinds of hookups. There’s people who I know personally, have RM client profiles, and have 0 intention on actually hiring someone. Or if they do, they’ll waste time of many before actually booking anything. Which they’ll likely cancel anyway. So I’m all about debunking this myth that guys asking for cash upfront is a scam. True, some who are may be. But that doesn’t speak for all. I charge deposits “exclusively”, and you won’t see anybody on my review page talking about I scammed them. considering this is ask a provider, I think it’s only fair providers speak up.

What sure proof do you have that it’s a scam other than the ad disappearing? Escorts can also “freeze” their ads to where it disappears but still active. The likely reason I can see for that is: maybe they don’t want to be “available and visible” round the clock. They may want to post when they are available, and shut it down when they aren’t. Avoid spending too much time if there not available. A provider could ask for a deposit close to the time because if two or more clients are trying to fit the same time, if the provider turns 1 down and the other flakes last minute (as @Jamie21 once described, then the provider likely gets neither client. So to better confirm the session, the deposit gives a better assurance than just relying someone to show up. However as I mentioned, people haven’t had issues sending me deposits. But I have also moved from ”deposits to confirm” to “consultation fee” because it gets infuriating having a potential client, and then they cancel when I ask for deposit. So better to just get it right away for the pure cost of my time coordinating things, which is something I deserve to be paid for.

It’s very good you mentioned that, but I’m actually doing very similar to this right now via my own website. I don’t have “products” yet per say, but moved a lot of my content off RentMen and OF platforms. It’s actually been working pretty well, but I’m still trying to keep active in building it. And you’re right, signing up to the site eliminates the “deposit” since it technically is the deposit. However, I’ve had a couple people sign up and like you say; still mess around with the planning of in person session. For those instances, I’ve had to handle appropriately. Well the fact that it was a new provider (assuming you mean newly created ad and not someone traveling) and the person gave the address before getting the deposit, is where the error is. It’s not because of the deposit itself. If I ask for deposits, I do it before sending the address. Otherwise, that defeats the screening process. I don’t want to be giving out my hotel, apartment or air bnb address at random. If they’re not sending deposit, there’s no need to send my address. Or like some people say: “where are you staying?” Non of your business. Send me the deposit and then we can exchange all that info. Before you book and pay an Uber, do you get to see the list of exactly what kind of car, what the person looks like, how big their dick is…before you pay? Exactly. That’s why I say there’s no need for me to coordinate bookings for free anymore. They’re getting enough free stuff already. For me to have to do any extra work for free (texting, dirty talk, driving, etc.), is borderline sweatshop labor. I’m sure there’s also some “good” stories about people actually paying deposits as well. I can say: EVERYONE who has sent me a deposit, has received their session in return. The only time they haven’t, is if they cancelled for reasons that had nothing to do with me, after sending one. And that seems to happen more often lately, hence why it’s become imperative to ask for them to begin with.