JB_Studio38

I like how you said that. It’s what I’ve been considering. Especially since I feel the industry has become so grinderized. Some reach out with an idea that we’re available now, everywhere. And if you’re not, they move on to the next. That’s not what I want. Eventually in life, especially at this point in my life: I just don’t have time to be on a constant hustle and trying to “work” every text that comes thru my phone. Maybe there’s other user-friendly guys out there, but guess what? I’ve been the user friendly guy, and am burnt out. A person can only take so much over a course of time. Right now I’ve left my number up because I don’t want to miss potential bookings when traveling with a limited time window, but once I return to my home base, it’s likely coming down.

Well it’s unfortunate you felt that way. However, I had to do what I needed to do. I was in Seattle before Portland, and let several inquiries slide thru and arrange sessions without a deposit. Some panned out and others didn’t, but the ones that didn’t were an inconvenience and either ghosted or cancelled last minute.

Well, one thing I can say is: I’m starting to see the harsh reality of how hard it actually is to meet men willing to pay another man for **** (no shit after nearing 15 years??). I just was reminded of that because I spent 3 days and 2 nights in Portland, Oregon. I will post in another thread but I officially opinionate that as the #1 worst major City in America to try and escort in. This has been the 2nd time I’ve traveled there and gotten 0 clients. Rather: I hear from them, but they all flake. However, I had at least 3 guys willing to come to my hotel from the “G app”. Only one I actually met because he was an intriguingly hot, Irish looking dude who oddly reminded me of @Benjamin_Nicholas in some ways 😆 (hint, hint 😉 If I wanted to, I coulda had all 3 in the same night. Non of the “oh I’m not available right now/that late at night “ BS clients give me when trying to plan a session. It seems like many clients aren’t very flexible in their schedules, which sometimes creates problems trying to make things happen. When I’m available: they’re not available. When they are available, I have to drop and change what I’m doing to accommodate, else there’s a chance it won’t happen. The Irish looking guy hit me up hours earlier in the day, and we still managed to meet at 3 in the morning. Neither of us really wanted to meet that late, but we compromised. Meanwhile, the 1 seemingly real client (who’s now blacklisted) attempted to schedule a booking “now” but then cancelled moments later citing, “his friend showed up, and he doesn’t think he can get rid of him 🤦🏽‍♂️ But…meeting someone of Grindr was a last resort because it was end of my last night in town, and figured I’d might as well make use of the money I spent on the hotel room. Otherwise it’d of been a frustrating waste of money, sitting in a hotel in a city I really didn’t care to be in, with no bookings, when there’s plenty of other guys willing to hookup with me. Caveat is: they don’t be wanting to pay for it. I even tried to get 1 of the guys who seemed really eager to meet up with me to pay, he then got a nasty attitude, accused me of wasting his time and stopped texting me. Predictable. I wasn’t mad though, I was experimenting the reaction. Hell, clients do it to me all the time…Why can’t I bullshit someone from time to time. So…if the muppet who wanted to “accuse me” of being on Grindr ever reads this one day, maybe he can keep Grindr’s name out of his fucking mouth when it pertains to me unless he knows the specific reason behind it 😆

And I’ll add another thing: I’ve already cut down on a lot of my app use, but lately I’ve been feeling like retiring the app usage all together. I’m getting fatigued of meeting guys on them and things never going anywhere. Not that it has to evolve into relationship, but after month’s of use I have barely even gained a friend or FWB from it. And every time I meet someone from it, they’re on bullshit. Have some sort of complex, or all about sex, or in an open relationship but dabbling in and out. My general optimism for the gay scene lately is just not confident. I still believe location based apps have made things real challenging. It affects things even down to the escort realm.

Exactly. And what made me so irked was: this was a city I was visiting and i only logged on to see if i could find (or he could find me) a guy who talked to me at a bar earlier that night. The whole time I was in the area I didn't meet anyone off the App, as I was busy with bookings the whole time.

Heard this the other day from (will spare the details, but a now banished potential client lol) who thought he could try and make a point, and tell me he seen me on 1 of the apps (Grindr). I was quite annoyed because the way he said it insinuated that because I was on there, that somehow it meant he shouldn’t reimburse for my time. I found that to be a rather assumptive, and dismissive mentality. For one, it’s my personal business to decide what I’m doing on an app, and considering I may simply be using it to connect with others in a way that’s not a hookup. It’s almost giving me another reason to not be a part of the apps. Even though someone’s ignorance and stereotypical, narrow-minded views of what a gay social app can be used for doesn’t affect my purpose for it, it’s almost got me a little paranoid if clients are carrying this idea that seeing a provider on an app is also available for free hooking up. But I just want to clear the misconception: it has nothing to do with that. If I want to meet someone to socialize or connect intimately with and fill the downtime when I’m not having clients while I’m visiting a city, that’s my prerogative. To hell with someone thinking my value goes down just because of it. Just because one idiot can’t see beyond the purpose of hooking up doesn’t mean everyone operates in the same way.

That’s the thing: some of us DON’T stand it. It’s things like this that are the reason why I have to continually be innovative in deterring the nonsense. Hey good morning. I woke up feeling crappy. I’ve been hoping my stomach and head would settle before I reached out because I hate canceling as I know you rely on trust and your time is valuable. I’m still not doing great. Can we meet another time, possibly when you are back? I’m really sorry Really. When I’m back. In Seattle. 1,800 miles from home. And last time I was here was in 2011. Really? It all sounds nice and sappy, but this person asked me a whole bunch of questions the night before, and we agreed to meet that day, which used up my time and effort. All the while, I had a perfect 2 bedroom air bnb HOME to host clients in: nobody showed up, 2 flaked. It’s the reason I get angry with these people and with RentMen as a site. And clients in the bigger cities don’t like to pay deposits because they’re so afraid of being scammed (despite again, me with a full profile and them with nothing but a number). In reality it’s them who are scamming us. The only thing with taking my number down, is the timing right now might not be ideal because I’m actively on a tour. Idk if I can get people to book timely enough when I’m traveling. But the one place I will leave my number is adam4adam, because it’s always the flakes who never make it to the phone.

One thing for certain, dudes play a shit ton of games. I can’t say how many times I’ve met someone and everything was fine, and then afterwards they start acting weird for no reason. However in this case, it’s hard to tell. It does sound like a rude game to play, and if the person comes around again I wouldn’t entertain.

If I stay with this, I know I may miss miss the spontaneity of taking bookings…but I feel unless RentMen does something to mitigate the circumstances, I can’t continue going about things the same way. It’s almost like clients are having all the benefits at our expense, until they actually show up with funds: which out of 10, maybe only 2 will. There comes a point when something has to change. At this rate, there hasn’t been any real improvements when it comes down to how the sites screen to ensure we’re getting genuine inquiries. I feel like I’ve reverted back to my younger days of being in a really shitty sales job. If I’m paying a site every month to be on, plus paying for travel expenses, lodging (spent over $700 in hotels/air bnb this week alone visiting), I shouldn’t have to be constantly subjected to appointments falling thru at random, and getting nothing in return for it. There seems to be this disdain of the idea to get clients to leave any pay before the actual meeting. But that’s what some of us are doing all the time. I’m paying for an ad, paying for expenses related to the biz, all upfront and expecting to be able to make it back on the back end of it all. That’s not fair and it’s unbalanced. Clients have plenty info on us on the site, to make a decision and commit with. Meanwhile many of us have nothing to go off of on them. So on top of my expenses, I have to pay for screening services to ensure the person who contacted me at random is who they say they actually are. I’ve found out at times, they aren’t. And now I’m left with 4 cancelled appointments in the past couple days and multiple “fell thru” bookings on top of it. Just an absolute nightmare end to what has actually been a successful month 🤦🏽‍♂️ And I told RentMen, this is beginning to affect my deeper mental stability. I’m not going to take all the blame for something they aren’t taking the initiative to make better. I shouldn’t have to “figure out ways to handle it better”, they need to do the right thing and find ways to make it better for us.

I know I keep having to bring up similar type of discussions, but there’s still things I’ve suggested can be better, and they haven’t. Even though in some ways it’s better because there’s more inquiries, the overall clientele attitude and behavior right now is trash in most every city in America right now. At this point, I decided I have no choice but to remove my numbers from my ads and require clients to pay to contact me. I’ve tried doing things in different ways to make a difference, but nothing really seems to be fixing the issue of flakes and bullshitters because people are still able to get thru to me. It doesn’t matter if I get several clients in a week who show up, there’s still far too much nonsense and time waste going on each day, often multiple TIMES per day..to where I can almost not even benefit from the gains. In the past 2 days, I’ve dealt with something around 5-7 fake appointments/no shows or cancelled bookings. And that’s even with screening them and asking for deposits. And the problem is, why I need to stop them in their tracks is because some contact me and then give me an attitude as to why they don’t want to send a deposit to confirm. Well, I don’t need to hear that every other time I have a booking request. At this point, the only way clients will be able to arrange a session is to do so directly through my website which will require a deposit. It may result in less overall inquiries, but at this rate it seems the number of clients will remain the same. And everytime I meet a client who has reservations about sending a deposit, they always end up being difficult to work with. So, here’s go nothing: the stakes just got a little bit higher.

Bump this topic up, I want to mention a new city I’ve been posting out of: Seattle. Don’t get me wrong, it’s a pretty busy market and has been good to me, BUT: there’s a lot of bullshit here also from clients. I’ve already had to report several to Mr. Number for being no shows or just general flakes. Some I didn’t look up because I was busy or forgot to do so, and sure enough: they had a report or 2. Now I’m going to have to revert back to requiring everyone to pay a consultation deposit. It’s like I try to be nice, and give a little leeway, and the fucking idiots always find a way to make me go back to doing what I was before.

Wholey fuck dude, 14 times??? I can’t imagine you’re actually fully cumming each time. Unless you have some extreme super balls, but I won’t discount what you say. I’m curious how do you stick to non processed and artificial foods when traveling often, does that mean avoiding all fast food? Where can you find that each day. I’m annoyed that many fast food places seem to have moved away from healthy options during Covid: McDonald’s no longer has salads, KFC has taken off baked beans and green beans 😤 I’ve been finding better options at Safeway grocery stores when it comes to meals with healthy side items

lol, right. it’s not like it’s a “wrinkle remover”, it’s a scientifically crafted substance that actually blocks whatever it is (can’t think of what it’s called at the moment) that makes you not be able to stay hard. Sometimes it doesn’t always work though if the mind isn’t there. I know I was dancing semi nude at a club last year (my first time). For whatever reason I just could not rise to the occasion. I just wasn’t stimulated enough. But I didn’t have any issue when 2 guys crossed my path later 😏 However I think that was something different, that gives more of an extended release. The blue pill tends to have that more instant effect.

Wait, are you an provider? Or client? I take it based on your 1989 birthday…maybe an provider or a client in his “youth”? That said: The main tips I know that works is: exercise, diet (not dieting as in forgoing food but rather ensuring 2-4 meals a day), and hydration are key. Other satellite tips would be porn, rest and supplements/vitamins. I don’t personally take viagra or similar things because: you can’t take that stuff forever, or even everyday. I’ve tried it, and it works. But, there’s plenty of natural supplements out there that work just as well when combined with the above techniques. And they don’t leave you with a inconvenient boner or headrush and stuffy nose. And it’s also not necessary to cum for every encounter. Even when I have sex in my private life, I don’t feel a necessity to cum each time. There’s been times I’ve fucked/gotten sucked by some amazing guys (actually happened twice in the past couple weeks, and even yesterday lol) and didn’t want to cum. I really only cum if the person NEEDS me to cum; or if I feel I need to cum because not cumming would leave me craving more. Sometimes, if I’m just fucking for fun, I’ll purposely not cum so that the next 2-3 paying“visitors” will get a built up 💣, preferably on their face 😆 Also: the other day I had 3 bookings, 1 afternoon and 2 evenings. I only needed to get off for the afternoon and 3rd evening one. So after the 1st client, I went to the gym, built my test up, and after the 2nd client I went to dinner at a “straight” biker bar restaurant where the 2 “straight” guys hitting on me, turned me on enough to build up another load for the 3rd client 😆 It’s all relative, and not as hard and calculated as people may think. I realize what tends to mess me up is not multiple clients: but when I get bored and decide to hop on a hookup app, find some hottie to fuck and then can’t perform as well for the next client. That’s why I don’t cum with (the rare times I do) hookups much unless I know my schedule is clear for a couple of days and I can afford not to see a client for a day or so after.

I agree with all the above. Except sometimes it depends on “how” they cancel they 1st time that defines whether it’s fine. Some 1st time cancels are not redeemable, if it’s a booking that involved some degree of trouble (meaning extended effort) to get to. Those would include cancellations that occur en route to the booking, or if I am booked into a hotel and they flake. My thing is: I don’t even want to let it happen twice. Once is too many times (and to be fair, assuming it’s a confirmed booking). Like I said, one guy even sent me a deposit and cancelled, and we’re done. Not because he canceled, but because I went thru a lot of effort to modify my morning and afternoon to accommodate our booking that was planned prior, and he flaked. But it’s water under the bridge now, because I’ve made up the loss x20.

Well tbh, I have my ways of adapting. The “market” as you describe it varies city to city, state to state. I may can’t change the market but I can change my location which by default changes the market. Case in point: I’ve just taken my 6th client in 3 days. I have a 7th one on the way. (All were booked with ample notice and I didn’t even need to collect deposits because they passed the screening with flying colors, though a couple didn’t follow thru…and they sent cancellations out of courtesy) I could never have done this in my home market because I can’t ever get shit done because people BS so much. So: it’s all relative. I know it may sound like I’m bitching, but that’s not the case. It’s just promoting a better way to arrange bookings. In my opinion it sounds like you just let guys just do whatever they want without holding them to anything. I had a client almost cancel on me today. After a heart to heart text…He cancelled his meeting and seen me instead. And he came without even touching himself 😆

I’m not complaining, I’m just saying that if a client wants to make something happen with a certain provider, they do have to book according to how the provider prefers it to be done. That’s just facts. Regardless. You don’t go to a restaurant and push around wait staff to stay later or earlier than posted. Same concept. I think instead of coming off like a one size fits all, maybe you just need to admit that not every escort operates the same way. You come off like you don’t really give a fuck if clients cancel on you or not. That’s your prerogative. It’s already been discussed you have another job that you do outside of sex work. Good for you 👏🏽 But don’t make it seem like everybody should go by your concept. I have no issues asking for deposits and cancellation fees from clients. And I get them. I wish I could just do things laxy dazy and if they show they show, if not they don’t: but guess what: I did that before, and suffered the by-products of it. Hell, one client sent me $400 by next day mail, because he canceled on me as I was traveling to his city (7.5 hours away), and couldn’t reschedule when I arrived the next day. I also canceled an appointment for tomorrow morning because the client wouldn’t send me a deposit. He wants me to do something that would require extra time and effort on my part: and I can’t 100% trust that he’ll show up. So I’m not going to go thru the trouble of doing it. Once again: Experience has taught me that I’ve done it before without taking a deposit, and had my time wasted. So I won’t do it again. You obviously seem okay with taking bigger risks, I’m not. But don’t downplay my intuition ☝Deposits have avoided me a ton of bullshit that I dealt with in A LOT in places like Florida, the Midwest, and pretty much the whole United States (if you’ve never worked here, you may not understand how flaky the gay male sex scene is).

Yeah it definitely does get raggedy! Especially the guy who sent the deposit, but cancelled at 2:30 pm saying he woke up “this morning” with the sniffles and congestion. Fair enough, but I rushed to leave my friends beautiful downtown Denver condo while they were starting an episode of RuPaul…on a Sunday morning after a long night out AND time change. So I could be on time to the session because I had a long drive. He didn’t want to reimburse the rest of the fee (because after all, some think just because we are already coming to town anyway), they don’t understand that an appointment lost, may be money lost for that DAY. But now he’s earned his place on Mr. Number with the rest of the deviants lol. And I don’t even think he was sick, I think he just had a last minute change of decision for whatever reason. Fortunately, I made up for the loss by having other clients. I even got permission from 2 clients to do my 1st ever double-client session (they both wanted the same time, and I didn’t want to turn down one over the other). I can write an anonymous book on that. WOW 😆 I understand some see things as the client being right and free to do whatever, but I think there’s a deeper level of expectation involved when a provider is making concessions out of their lives to accommodate bookings. I know specifically, @Jamie21takes a very non liability concept in favor of clients, which is understandable in a busy bustling market like London…may be so. But I do small markets where 1 client may be all I get that day/slot of day. Meanwhile, my expenses don’t stop. And yes, conferences and business meetings are back in full swing, and the hotel rates have been reflecting that. I feel like hotels and gas are double the amount this year. I don’t even stay downtown in many cities anymore, because it’s too much. I don’t see much purpose or reason in paying in excess of $100 a night for a hotel room, out of pocket as a single gay man. Unless it’s a resort or a large suite. And I hardly ever wind up in a crappy hotel unless I’m visiting an expensive, overbooked town and rates are crazy.

I figure at least he was honest, in a sleazy kinda way. I been mulling over how to go about doing it. I know one porn escort guy told me years ago, not to advertise further out than 2 weeks, because by the time you get there, they won’t be horny anymore. I think that’s a reasonable time limit, though not as predictable. Even that could be too long. I think more like 2 days is the limit 😆 What I have been doing, is posting in cities before I even had a date planned, just to give people the opportunity to notice me before I arrive. Considering that 1 or 2 days visiting a city isn’t really enough time for the whole city to notice someone. But then by the time I get dates planned and get it into action, the same people from 2 weeks ago, usually aren’t available anymore. I think going forward, I’ll only advertise in advance as long as I’m actively in between destinations. Right now I have advance locations, but I know it’s going to be within the week that I arrive because I’m already traveling and have bags packed. But trying to plan trips in advance while still at home, or on the back end of the trip, it’s just too many changes that can get in the way on both sides. Like right now, I know I’ll be going back thru Denver before the month is out…but I’m not going to post again in my travel dates until I am back. And I never post in my home location at all while traveling. Because by the time I get back home, most of the people who contacted me while I was away maybe made other plans.

Yeah I suppose that would be a good way of going about it if someone is able to notice that a bit further out. Similar to the other thread running about providers changing plans, sometimes that’s an issue I run into as well. In the past month, seems like every time I’ve been ready to “go” somewhere, there’s a major weather event that had me either postponing or going along anyway…and being snowed in for 2 days and wishing I didn’t go thru the trouble of going. I could only go to warmer destinations, but from my area the option is limited to Texas within a day commute. It seems a lot of people I speak to in the Midwest are moving to Texas, but the escort scene is too crowded and overdone. Many of the opportunity locations are in the northern areas. All those cities like Atlanta, Dallas and Houston and Phoenix with the good weather, there’s like a million escorts all trying to meet the same clients. Hence a message I received from a client I been communicating with for nearly a month, and was expecting to meet him when I arrived to town: 🤦🏽‍♂️ Like really bro? Really?

Well, it’s not a matter of agreeing or disagreeing, because you’re not necessarily operating the same way…you just said it that you don’t travel outside of London. So booking sessions outside of town is an entirely different concept for you. A client can choose what time works for them, but it also goes both ways. You can’t just have it working for just one person and not the other. When I work with photographers, and do my photo shoot gigs, I still have to work with their schedule and availability. I’m not suggesting that it’s okay to constantly change plans, but like I said…sometimes it’s a matter of coordinating schedules. Nothing can work if both parties aren’t in a position to meet.

Well clearly you seem entertained. Lol. Your perception of this discussion is a bit skewed. Whenever I hear someone referring to something as “fault” that insinuates a false sense of guilt or blame. I’m not blaming anyone for anything. I’m just discussing a dynamic. Fault is why Dems and Repubs can’t get along. I’m not fault finding anyone. Get it straight. That said; I think my living in KC and St. Louis (both very cliquey places where you really have to grow up there to really develop a friend circle) for the past couples months have been making me slightly delusional. I came back to a city I used to live (Denver) and last night I had a blast with my former friends and his friends. But that was 5-6 years living in a city versus just 2. I also hear more that once you get past 30, it just becomes harder to make friends anyway. I know that applies moreso to straights than gays (a city like Palm Springs you have guys in 40s, 50s and 60s who still “hangout” simply because there’s less emphasis to stay home and be a “working dad” so to speak).

But not always… This thread relates to another thread I put up about advertising travels in advance. I admit I have needed to move schedules around a bit, but it wasn’t so much of a “Meet me at hotel XXX at 6 p.m.” but more of a “I will be arriving to your city this week, what DAYS are you available.” They’ll either claim to be free whenever, or will offer me only ONE day within an extreme narrow time window that they can meet, and then expect me to perform miracles and just drop my life to accommodate. And see, some clients will run with that and try to gaslight me into believing we never had any expectation of an appointment. Yeah umm…I’m not a time genie that pulls out schedules out of a hat. It’s all about coordinating. And some clients don’t want to coordinate: they expect us to magically appear when and where they want us without any compromise. It’s like: First I coordinate, get an idea of what is even possible. Then, once I see an alignment of both schedules, l can go ahead and narrow down a time and place. But what (some) clients want to do is say: “hey you, I’m available NOW. Or, Tomorrow at 3 p.m. ummm, sir…you just walked into my life 3 minutes ago. Do you have a clue of what the actual FUCK may be going on it? No? Well…Maybe don’t assume seeing an ad on a website means I have nothing better to do than point my dick in your direction at your beck and call. And the funny thing is: they never do the same for us. That’s why I’m getting less accommodating to clients these days. They want us to go out of our way, but they don’t want to go out of their way. So why the fuck should I? Just because someone is paying me, isn’t permission to treat my schedule and responsibilities as less important than yours.

…Because it doesn’t work and it’s not worth doing it anymore. This may come as a surprise considering I usually am an advocate of booking sessions with some notice, but for now on…the most notice I’ll be giving for travel cities is the amount of time it takes to get there from wherever I’m departing from, on the day of. “Maybe” the day prior if I’m already en route to a city, and certain to be passing thru on my way. I am so tired of the wasted time, hope and energy communicating with inquiries in other cities and states, only to be told they can’t meet when I arrive. Some even cancel or flake as I’m commuting to the destination. Today it happened 3 times. Actually was 4: one gave a deposit the Friday and still cancelled Sunday, claiming to be sick. 2 others sent cancellation courtesy, the other just didn’t even bother. And then, I have been posting before I went to Denver since February. Especially because it’s become such a impossible market due to the amount of guys there likely out number the clients. But yet I didn’t meet with a single person who contacted me when I was advertising in advance. Either they were from out of town or didn’t respond to my messages when I arrived. The only bookings I had were 2 long time regulars and 1 “almost” client who contacted me after my appointment with my regular. I didn’t even take the booking because it was too last minute. This is very similar to the thread here: I don’t know the specifics for other guys, but I can imagine the not so advance booking guys out there probably are doing it for good cause: who the fuck wants to waste time and energy trying to book sessions before arrival, only to be told the person can’t meet once you do?? And then all it does is cause arguments and fallouts with clients because, I will have them on my “guest list”, and then I arrive after paying for travel expenses and hotels, and they don’t come thru. And the other problem is: we can’t even advertise in a different city without putting dates up. I don’t understand why the fuck these sites don’t make it easier to advertise in a city just for visibility like RentBoy used to allow. RentMen used to also, but then they force us to put dates up if it’s further then 250 miles away from the “current” city, as if clients are making our schedule like an employee business trip. It’s not like clients are cutting us checks, booking hotel rooms and flights/travel with conference dates like a regular job. I’m just 1 person, trying to figure out a multi city trip. The dates are going to get messed up sometimes. It takes a lot to leave my home for a week or 2, get everything I need done to prepare to travel, etc. Guys put expectations on us to get places, but don’t understand the leg work to get there. I have figured it out that clients these days, operate on a Grindr mentality. There doesn’t seem to be enough commodity for sex workers, to book anything out in advance anymore. It used to be something I could do back in 2012, but in 2022 very few clients are consistent in the business. It seems like every trip I did last year, all the clients were people I booked the day of, or the day before. This will make planning trips easier and harder in some ways. I’m usually open to go on trips with limited funds, with the confidence that I’ll make back what I spend plus more. But now, if I don’t have enough travel money to feel comfortable with (getting there and back plus 2 nights minimum hotel in case nobody shows up), I likely won’t do the trip at all anymore.

Well, yah I’m referring to it as a whole…not necessarily a by product of being in the industry. That said: I’ve been fortunate to be able to leave my state and go to an area I used to live. And I had 2 movie dates in a weekend (one an old friend and another a former hookup buddy/former masseur himself that we reconnected into a date finally). So, that’s a good sign overall. I’m just going to continue diversifying and working new markets overall. I’ve often found friends just by doing that. Sometimes the irony is, when a place sucks for biz, it usually sucks for making connections too. But a place like Miami that’s not the best for business, it is good for making friends/hookup buddies (actually it isn’t, there’s just more people to choose from to give the illusion that you’re making friends, but a lot of those guys are flighty and pretentious down there). Being you’re in Fort Lauderdale I’m sure you get my drift.