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Ha. And all this time I've been fantasizing about the big Burj

Oh. I actually didn’t get that. I was under impression that the providers reviewed him. I do recall RM saying we are not able to review clients, which was confusing. Makes sense now. But guess it goes to show even moreso…

There’s a truth in what you say re: “get omicron” I always used to say: I would get sick every year almost on point. Usually in January February or the odd mid summer/fall. Coupled with asthma, I would often feel like death. Exactly same thing happened earlier this year in February. Strep throat. Knocked me out for a few days. No vaccine for that 😂 However, I’ve also started to get vaccinated…for more things. So my philosophy has changed on it. If I’m going to get sick from something, I might as well get the vaccine anyway 😆

That was I was wondering. The damn variant coincides with the holidays, making it even slower. Add to that, being in an already dying escort market like Kansas City/St. Louis: it is devastating. I can’t even express the gratitude I have for regular clients and supportive forum members. I’m just trying to ride it out. Being a native of Florida, I’m no stranger to riding out storms. But this isn’t just a storm, it’s the power out AFTER the storm: Hopefully the horny guys break after New Years 🤞🏾 I do feel though the variant is fueling the slowdown. Even though we don’t always hear it, people have their concerns and it can affect things. I can just feel it in the air. It’s like when “race riots” (though I don’t like that term) breakout. Business just all of sudden gets slow. Is it the weather, or the city? Nope. It’s just the vibe is ruined. It’s like if a bunch of police cars showed up to a bathhouse, or the hotel where the escort is located. It just kills the vibe temporarily. One client of mine said he was “nervous” that I’m “in demand” due to Covid. I reminded him, all that demand is just text messages, not actual bookings. So nothing really more to be nervous about than any other time.

Considering there are 2 opposite responses above to this question, I think your question is a good question lol. I’m glad to hear some clients are still hiring. Despite the situation that’s being put on the plate, I’m sure there’s some of us who are really relying on bookings to follow thru. But at this point, this Holiday season is on par with last holiday season but almost worse: another variant just in time for the holidays, so nobody wants to hire until after “next year” due to family exposure concerns and such . Needless to say, this has been one of the more depressing leads up to Christmas I’ve experience. This week I’ve only booked 2 clients, despite seemingly DOZENS of “inquiries”. One last Sunday and another on Tuesday. I just BARELY set aside enough money to get my car fixed that’s been down for 3 weeks (by the Grace of God I have a backup vehicle). By the time I did that, and traveled across state (300 miles) to ensure I could at least be in the company of family for Christmas, I’ve been left with somewhere around $20. Can anyone imagine how depressing that is? Left with only $20 the week of Christmas? While everyone is out shopping and buying presents. So, you can throw out the virus facts and vaccine limitations and everyone can be scared, but for some there’s not always an immediate alternative. I even want to take clients, but I know that it’s almost pointless to be online in Kansas City because nobody is calling, and anybody who does call is guaranteed going to be a flake. I already know I’ll have to ask for a deposit on the 1st or 2nd text, to run them away, else they’ll bullshit me and end up on Mr. number in a heartbeat 😆 Or they’ll be available for 1 hour, and expect me to show up in 2 minutes. So, despite the real peril, I know likely the only thing I can do is advertise in another market, and hope I can have at least 1 booking locally to get me there. I was talking with a former client telling him last month: it’s been well over a year since I found myself in a very tight situation where finances were strained. However, seems like every since the week of Halloween, these slump times are recurrent. It’s been back to back. On and off. Somebody has to do something. I’m so desperate for change at this point, I’m willing to experience living out of my car for awhile (not technically but like “tour bus” mode) and leaving to a different side of the country or something. I can only take misery for so long, and the Midwest seems to have gone bottoms up. Thanks to Covid AND inflation.

I concurrently agree with you. Your point is valid. However, I can’t help but feel you may be slightly erring on a side of “privilege” rather than “fact” in some things you say. You feel “it’s never happened to me, thus it shouldn’t exist”. Even if you may not have experienced something personally, doesn’t mean that it doesn’t happen to anyone. I also don’t look at just the “dangerous” side of racism, but the “subtle and condescending” racism still exists. I can give examples even: There’s a client https://rent.men/Shanestur who contacted me, who had several great reviews from other providers on his profile. However, upon closer inspection of me clicking each escort who reviewed him: they were all White guys who reviewed him positively. 1 was a negative review, but the rest were fine. However, his communication with me was far less than stellar. Not only did he text me a gif of a “stereotypical” Black woman as a “funny” excuse for taking hours to respond to an important message I sent him, but he flaked on the session and ignored messages to confirm the booking that he claimed he would attend in the morning. Which subsequently caused me to be inconvenienced in the process. And if all that wasn’t bad enough, when I tried to get him to take responsibility for his bullshit and flakiness, he had the nerve to blame me for his flaking out. THAT: is what I called racism. It’s not always the KKK, hanging on a tree racism that we read in history books. I view racism as things like clients being flaky, making like I don’t mean anything (superiority) and don’t deserve anything for my spent time. And from talks on the forum, it seems White providers deal with this less than those of other backgrounds, specifically Black. It’s the disrespect and lack of consideration, that fuels racism towards certain sex workers.

also I appreciate your recognizing the challenges, but just to clarify: this is not the “only” thing I do. I actually do model gigs and the fans based sales as well. However, as a whole the provider circuit is a main pool for me. So essentially, it is important that my appointments happen when they are expected to happen. But even if it’s not an “appointment”. Some clients try to save face by saying they never made an appointment, therefore ghosting me is totally justifiable. However, If someone contacts my line and goes thru the basics of establishing we’re going to connect, it’s just a principle of being a MAN, that the person should have the decency to stick with it. Otherwise, it comes off as just not being genuine. And considering I been reading multiple reports/complaints from other providers about the same client(s) messing them about, I don’t quite buy the customer is always right mantra. I think what it really means: The customer WHO HAS PAID/ABOUT TO PAY is always right. Someone texting me; who can never host, never wants to book in advance, doesn’t ever know when he can meet, just trolling ads with no purpose because of boredom or collecting pics, is not a right customer for me. More like a pain in the 🤦🏽‍♂️

Good interpretation there. And yes, I echo the part about “are you available at 3” and it’s only 2 p.m. I get there are 1,000+1 reasons a client may have to book things that way, but in my 10+ years I still find it a bit hard to comprehend. When I try to plan things with those same clients, even with a day or few hours in advance, they can never accommodate because they always “have plans”. So I don’t know why they think we’re any different. If a client can’t be bothered to make or plan time with me, I start to feel taken for granted or not really important…I know that sounds taking it too personal, but some of these people clog up my line with texts, chat a bunch of BS, but then can’t find a time to schedule a booking. I understand what @italianboyph is saying about it being similar to Grindr, but I think what’s lost in 2021: Calling an escort/massage is NOT Grindr. Idk where people get off thinking talking to an escort is a pen pal. I don’t mind chatting with clients, especially if they’re out of state and it involves more communication. But some of these dudes live right down the street, and have no decency and respect. They think it’s entertaining. But that’s exactly why I have to start charging for my conversations at the door… However I also want to mention: some of the above mentioned is more of a result of being in the Midwest, and specifically in certain cities outside of Chicago. So I am aware I can’t tar everyone with the same brush.

It sounds like you come with good intent and purpose, but your reasoning is a bit skewed. And I’ll tell you why. First of all: let’s get rid of the “market rate” idea. That’s old school. 2003. 2010. This is 2021, going on 2022. There’s no rates being posted for ESCORTS hardly anywhere thanks to the oppressive Sesta/fosta bill passed in 2016 by president trump. Because where the fuck, (excuse my French), do you see any rates being posted places on escort sites? If I’m mistaken…please direct me to the right resource. Because I don’t see it. And I haven’t seen hardly anything of what other providers are charging either. On top of that: what other providers charge (or not) is irrelevant. People sometimes tell me, “oh, you’re too expensive for this town”. And I say, interesting you think that because I just had someone give me $400. I’m not serving “the town”. I’ve gone to towns where there’s no escorts hardly AT ALL, and still had no issue with 250-300 (which is my current preferred going donation, but I offer 150-200 for base level sessions). Everytime a client (which is less often these days) says my rate is too high or they looking for something cheaper, I tell them: “sorry but I can’t pay my expenses charging any less”. If I’m hit with a major expense (which has been the case TWICE this month, in the tune of $300+ each) in the middle of pandemic and Christmas is right around the corner, you think I’m going to get anything done with $100? There’s not going to be enough bookings, for 1. Even if I say,” instead of $300 I could charge 3 clients $100 each “, that rarely works out in theory. All 3 clients will want to meet at the same time, or flake/fake no show, and I end up only meeting 1. That’s just the reality. I been doing this since 2008. I’m not the hottest on the block, or the White or Brazilian guy everybody wants. But I have a decent fan base that I have to be smart about. So to charge whatever “the market” says I should charge would be a waste of time and talent. That said, I still say: don’t blame me. Blame the fakes. This is the right business for me. It’s not the right business for THEM. Maybe some people out here playing “client” aren’t cut out to be clients. Ever thought of that?

In all earnestly I hear what you’re saying but I’m also hearing excuses for inconsiderate behavior. I’ve heard it all before. In fact I just heard it today. And I can only expect that coming from a client standpoint. However, your last sentence is a bit counterproductive, and I’ll address that. If the escort “isn’t that hot” like you say, why contact them to begin with? Of course you do mention “rate being above market”, but what exactly is “market” anyway? Here’s what the real issue is, and I’ve had a client the other day say this and I agreed. I also had to tell a client this today: The majority of client contacting escort/masseurs on the “rent” sites have no real UNDERSTANDING of the fact that this is many guy’s bread and butter. Or they meet providers who just do this for “extra” cash versus someone who’s really putting work in round the clock. So, you get guys (possibly like you) who just have a insincere approach to us. I know people come to the Rent sites with a mindset of not wanting to shoulder the burden of being true to their word, but at the end of the day it’s not just a guy behind the phone. Here’s a better tip: maybe others need to view the industry differently than just an adult Nintendo/Grindr. These ads COST US. It’s not FREE. And sitting around answering texts from idiots who can’t figure out when they can meet, or wait 2.5 hours from a reply to a text after requesting an outcall…is also not free. Time is money, and time is not renewable. Respect that. I can change professions when I’m ready to. But you saying that without really knowing me is short sighted. What needs to change is the steady decline in respectful and serious clients in the Rent world. Because it’s gotten worse. Acknowledge and address that first, before making assumptions about whether I’m cut out for the work.

I want to speak that by faith and into existence, but hopefully it happens soon. This run up to Christmas has been tragic, clients either canceling everyday or half ass confirming sessions. People getting blacklisted or being seen with blacklist reports almost everyday. It doesn’t help that my 2 markets have been on a steady decline for business before this. Times like this takes brut strength and hope to get thru. And if you don’t have that, having at least 1 trusty reliable regular is paramount. And I mean, someone who will give you money even when you’re not participating in actual sex.

I don’t blame you. I was just talking to someone that I often end up wishing I could take the after part of Thanksgiving November and December off because it’s almost no real profit. And with this new variant going, things have gotten very dismal…ready to throw in the 🧺 That’s said: the 1,000 sounds nice but I’ll vote 🗳 for the $200 each.

That’s easy to say on paper, but without knowing what your business is…it’s kind of hard to compare it in the same way. I don’t have an issue with being kind and taking care of people. But I’m not going to be a door mat. They need to EARN that. And they are not going to earn that simply by sending me a few round of texts with no real intent to follow thru on a session. Also our ratio of time wasters=real clients are likely different than what you experience.

Yeah, but at the same time: it’s like how do you really know? Like I say, it’s not as simple as “shopping at men’s warehouse”. It’s not always the escort’s fault in such situations. I can give a little thought, but that is not extended forever. For example, here’s a post from a client who been contacting me since 2020, and would fake out everytime. Then he hits me up this morning, and I see he never replied to 3 texts I sent him back in October. I never thought to look him up, and here’s what I found:

You would think so right, but I’m noticing a higher number of flakes seem to be coming from massage based sites, in my area. You say you’ve been able to navigate that in a healthy way, please share… I guess it wouldn’t be so noticeable if there was still a good number of folks showing up, but that’s not quite been the case. It seems like with massage bookings, you have to always be there and be Square when they contact. They don’t always give much notice or seem able to schedule in advance. On top of that, the vast majority especially in “smaller” markets like Kansas City, almost never able to host. I can host, but the times I’m available to, they aren’t. Or something comes up. I’d get a consistent incall spot, but if guys are flaking the way they’ve been, I have little confidence that it would change if I were to get one. I don’t want to be in anymore situations where I’m paying for an apartment in a city I’m barely getting any serious clients in.

And here’s something I should add too that’s a little less transparent: We’re in different times right now. I remember the days when I started, and I used to never really worry about these things. But now, with Covid STILL not going away, I think it continues to affect things in ways we may not even understand on the surface. That’s why when times change, It calls for doing things a bit differently. To have this many fakes is beyond normal. Like I say, some cities pride themselves on being horrible for escorts, and clients manage to perpetuate the idea by showing their asses, but it’s so much bigger than that. In every city, in every state, there’s flakes. There’s a difference between being a “shy client working up confidence”, to just being an inconsiderate pest. The game has changed, and now I have to change. All that BS is so 2021. In 2022, I’m stepping the game up. It’s already started actually.

Okay, even though I answered that 1 time…this thread is not about “shopping at retail stores and how it is similar to contacting an escort”. You can definitely make another topic on that, if you choose to. Could be interesting to see how many other providers agree with your concept. This is more about situations where the person isn’t considerate of the escort’s time, and thus come off as “fake”. Faking like they want to arrange a visit, but really either too chicken shit or too pre-occupied to really make it happen. Or just being a plain dick. I googled an article on this yesterday, and one line in particular made a lot of sense to me: Meet the Fakes First of all, it’s important to understand who it is that is likely to waste your time without turning into a paying client. Let’s meet the fakes. You’ll hear from many different types of tire kickers, but the most common one are: Cheapskates. They want your work for next to nothing and are hopeful they can talk you down from your rates. They have no intention of paying you what you are worth and are likely to complain a lot if you do happen to work for them. Your competition. They want to know what you charge for your projects so that they can set their own prices. They’re hoping you’ll share your complete price list with them. Idea thieves. They want to get the details of how you do your work so that they can steal your ideas and do the work themselves. Or they may be planning to hire someone else to carry out your ideas. The lonely. They just want attention. They’ll take as much time from you as you’ll give them. They may even pay you a token amount, but they don’t need a freelancer. They probably need to join a social club. The angry (many of the types of clients contacting escorts). They haven’t paid you a dime and already they’re mistreating you. They may use a disrespectful tone or simply show a lack of respect. The sampler. This fake claims that your portfolio isn’t enough. He or she has to see a free sample of your work (to his or her specification) before hiring you for a project. http://freelancem.ag/how-to-keep-fake-clients-from-stealing-your-time-and-sapping-your-energy/ Fortunently, I’ve been having a fun time with the Mr. Number app. Just been Blacklisting idiots almost every other day. And many of those people have bad reports already posted.

Haha. I know you think that’s funny, but you really just came off sounding like a jerk. If being entertained by someone’s misery actually is entertaining (and who told you I was miserable in the first place, I’m just addressing an issue), maybe you should see a psychologist. So, jokes on you 👌🏾

They can shop. I’m not stopping them from shopping. Looking at RentMen and RentMasseur is shopping. Where shopping ends, is taking a $200/$300 item up to the register, and then leaving it there, and walking away. Right In the cashier’s face. That’s what these fraudulent clients are doing essentially.

The other thing I’m finding also: majority of these are coming fro RentMasseur where I post in addition to RentMen. But some may have seen me on both. But just today, I got another one: this guy contacted me Tuesday around noon and I sent a couple of messages including my rate and availability. No response all the way until Thursday, today. Citing that he was busy. Tells me he’s available “all day” but when I ask him to specify…says he’s only free until 5. So…basically he waited almost 48 hours to inform me that he can meet today, but can only meet until 5. And wants me to host, which requires an additional level of planning on my part. A regular client has also requested to see me this afternoon, so I can’t accommodate before 5. Once again, another case of “revolve around them because you have nothing better than to sit and wait on my important ass for infinity” attitude. Like I say, once I get this new platform up and going…I’ll only be communicating with paid clients. That way, maybe if they spend something to speak to me, they’ll value it a little more. Versus me just answering texts from randos around the clock and not seeing anything from it.

And by fake, I don’t mean “not real” but rather “not serious”. I’ve just been having a hell of a week. This ties right along with my other post about holiday nonsense. But this is a bit more tailored to the real nitty gritty. Since about Monday, I’ve had about 6 to 7 clients reach out to me…and not a single one has ended up making it to book. I don’t get why some clients; especially in class-segregated/small minded markets, can’t seem to fucking get their shit together EVER, and go through with an appointment. When I let them know I’m available now, they can’t meet now. When I try to tell them I need advance notice, they agree but then always have some excuse why they can’t do it. On top of that, there’s been 2 clients the last few days, who have been texting me since 2020 OF LAST YEAR, where they have contacted me about a session, and then they STILL aren’t ready when they contact me. STILL can’t get their schedule in line with mine, and STILL want to operate on their time, instead of taking the time to figure out a mutually agreeable time. Then they want to act passive aggressive and either stop responding or block me, when I allude to them: dude, you’ve contacted me several times for the last 2 years!! Why can’t you get your shit together TODAY! How hard can it really be? I don’t know what part of their brain cells misses the simple concept that MAYBE, MAYBE, just MAYBE, if you call a provider out the blue after you haven’t contacted them in months and didn’t book them the last time, perhaps they won’t be able to accommodate YOU in exactly the way YOU need it to be. Maybe they should have kept in contact, and made a little more effort to arrange something. Instead of going ghost for 5 months and then texting out the blue as if I’ve got no other purpose in the world, but to wait on them for all infinity to make up their minds and figure out when the hell they want to book a session. That's 1 thing I can't understand. Too many out here think they’re time is more important. I shouldn’t have to yield to their schedule, if they contact ME and want to see ME, they need to yield to my availability. I didn’t call them. They called me, how do they call me and expect me to dance around them? If I tell them I’m available today, they need to do whatever it takes to come TODAY. Why can't they meet today, if they have enough time to cruise Ads, find my number and text me? If I say I need advanced notice, they should be able figure that out as well. Because again, was I expecting you? No. But if I say I can accommodate the same day you contact me, have the fucking decency to make it happen. It’s like again: if he contacted me, courtesy has it that HE should be willing to accommodate my availability. Not the other way around. Sometimes I think they intentionally fuck with us out of low self-esteem, and likely because trying to compensate for that. But that shouldn’t be my problem. Nor is their busyness or inability to keep up with their impulsive desires my issue either. I'm about ready to start figuring ways out to meet better clientele. And I know it's likely going to start with a change of location and my new separate platform that will stop a lot of the flaky fakes in their tracks...All I'll be asking is, "thankyou for your payment, how can I help you?"

That’s good. But for me I still wasn’t even really finding it easy to try and get clients/people to sign up. What I’m aiming for now is going to be something where people will be REQUIRED to sign up, in order to book me. This way, even if they don’t book me, and they just want to chit chat, I’ll still get paid and they can still get some type of viewing capabilities. So that way I actually have a bit more use out of it. Also the issue with JFF is they auto-bill clients, and don’t give much flexibility in how to control the payouts/platform. Maybe I don’t want to sell a whole month of membership. Maybe I just want to sell it 1 time, for a week or 2. And if they wish to come back later they can use it again.

Idk man…it sounds optimistic but I still lean towards the other end. Seems clients get off on blocking escorts. Like sir, you contacted me 1st. They should block themselves. There’s some “clients” out here who have come to me, BSing around like they normally do: and then I’ll notice the messages go from Blue to Green during a chat, especially when I go about explaining how to schedule things without showing inconsideration in the process. That’s why I am rushing to finalize this new breakthru plan I have been working on. I’m not dealing with the games and BS anymore going into 2022. I even invested my first $50 in Euro I earned from dancing, into it. I just wish I would have done it sooner.

Well…I can tell you just the other week when I was in an area of Florida that is very under-served by providers, a client did book me from there. I personally been using it on and off for many years and it has its place. Sometimes it’s necessary to tap into that “unintended market”. Even though RentMen is top of line, reality is…it’s not really even giving me all that much “more” business than even adam4adam. I’ve had this discussion before. And truth be told: RentMen has become a little more than a high end hookup site. That’s why I don’t bother unlocking private pics anymore, and took down most of my videos. I see people from Grindr, hitting me up cruising RM, knowing damn well they’re not paying anybody. Just voyeuring around. I also use A4A because majority of the other escort and massage sites don’t really work in very small markets. For example: Overland Park Kansas which is a sleepy suburb yet business hub of Kansas City has like no providers that list on either RM site. A4A on the other hand has about 50-60 members in the area. But for the most part, A4A continues to underperform more and more each year, as far as getting bookings. I pretty much just have a pre template set up and send it out. All the round the clock chit chat, I stopped doing way back last year.

I’m intrigued by this question. Why are some people fascinated about the idea of a sex worker hiring a client??? Lol. There is no alternate universe or “other life”. Things are the way they are. Now you can ask, if sex worker and said client ever decided to form a “non-clock” relationship, and yes that happens. I won’t go into the pros and cons of such arrangements, but yes it can and does happen. Once it does, it can be subject to the same pitfalls as any traditionally started relationship. But the fantasy of an escort hiring a client: kill that. Clients aren’t going to earn money by becoming SuperSexman 🦸🏻‍♂️