Jarrod_Uncut

There is no average in this industry...  There never has been.  It's the nature of a fringe business.
The limited amount of escorts who post here aren't nearly enough to make for a proper average.
Email who you fancy.  The escort will tell you what his weekend rate is.  You can confirm or deny it.

I didn’t forget, I just didn’t see the need to. Neither should you 🛑 
 

Question:
Why is it a surprise that some of these potential clients have poor communication issues, or are overly sensitive, or are just simply socially inept? 
 
For some of these guys, that’s why they are reaching out to hire… Just imagine them communicating in real life with men outside of the realm of hiring. 

Some people like this potential client feed on controversy/fights, etc. as long as it happens in their phones. They feel powerful being mean to others and playing with their time, sad but true!

After the person's nasty "Can't take rejection" comment, it would've been best to completely cut off any further contact with him. You clearly knew by that point he was wasting your time, and that wasn't changing. It's truly horrible that you seem to get a far larger percentage of jerkwads than other traveling providers. 

As an uncut person with Latin background who isn’t a bottom but, depending on the situation…I say SUCK IT, you might like it 😂 

When it comes down to it: if someone asked the average basketballer, movie actor, or “hot executive” for a paid fling, their prices would be something astronomical 🌙 ☀️ 
Granted $1,000 isn’t the typical price for an hour with an escort, however: it’s not unheard of throughout the overall industry with women and especially NYC. I have never worked the NYC market so I simply can’t comment on what’s usual or expected. But from just overall hearsay over time: any price would likely go. 
 

I’ll also add: if you’re visiting someone, whether escort or client, it’s hardly ever necessary to use hotel parking downtown. However, I know the annoyances of trying to find parking in places like DC (your hotel actually had very easy parking that night…But my friend’s hotel closer to downtown, I was parking around the block, and paying something like $20 a day on the stupid parking app lol). Also Orlando hotel resorts often have no other options to park: except for their garages. There’s been times I’ve left with $40 subtracted from my rate, after a few hours or overnight. Denver street parking is super manipulative: you have to read 3 signs just to figure out whether it’s okay to park. By then, you’ve already gotten a ticket, maybe even a boot 🔐 lol. 
 
The massage table debate often comes up but: it’s all down to Preference. I personally don’t feel a massage table is any easier than a well structured bed (there’s also ways to simulate a massage table but, I won’t reveal all my knowledge). Plus the phobia of a table collapsing, was  always on my mind. And like you said: I’m not carrying a table around, hotel to hotel, City to city. It’s too much. I already have lots of luggage, a table would be the equivalent to a pet crate. Not to mention the potential of being seen doing “business” out of a hotel, is not desired to be obvious.
But again, to each is own. That’s just my preference. Like I say, it sucks that sites like Adam 4 Adam have essentially gotten rid of “escort” and changed for massage. Also some people are so afraid of repercussions, that they’ll reach out to Masseur ads first, or say they’re looking for a massage, but have their Dick and ass included. Escort seems to be a term being phased out, thanks to politics 🤫 

Just curious: what was it that you thought, we were supposed to think 🤔 
That said, it’s good that you mentioned “masseur”, but it didn’t quite seem that way initially. Because $200 for an escort certainly isn’t “too high”. 
 
As for the $160/$180, as someone who’s done those prices before, I can tell you why it’s harder to find: ESPECIALLY if you’re talking about a traveling provider (which once again, $200 is just a straight forward number).
Hotels are more expensive. Most clients are leery of “budget friendly” hotels. I don’t mind budget friendly hotels, however not all are equal. In Seattle couple years ago, most anything budget-brand was nothing nice. I had to stay outside of the city, just to find something suitable. 
 
And in regards to: “I mean some money is better than no money, they are getting 100% of the fee”. But is it? I know for me: part of why I have gotten away from such rates is because, $150 is a good price only in numbers.
 
Meaning, if I need $500, I need to see 3-4 clients at $150 minimum. That assumes non of the clients flake, AND they are all able to meet on the same window of days, the 3 other clients can meet. I’m here to tell you: that rarely happens. When it does happen, it may be 1 week, but not every week. Or it may be in one city, but not every city. 
 
If someone were to book a $160/180 right now: I’d be grateful, but it would just be enough for immediate expenses. When I was young and starting out, $80 sounded good to me. But then I realize just how fast that goes, and how many people I have to see for it to add up. And lot of times, it’s spinning tires trying to get $100/$150 bookings to add up. It can be hard to save, because it likely goes into hotels or other daily expenses.
 
That’s why for me personally: I now have a $250 starting session, with $200 being the base. $250-$500 is the range I desire. Also like a previous topic I posted: a longer session which earns $1,000-$2,000 is going to really make a difference.
I know Masseur rates tend to be a different ball game, but not everyone runs it the same. That’s why I’ve moved away from the masseur title, and consider myself more of an overall experience. However in the Midwest and much of America: Masseur has become a safer way of saying “Escort”. I can understand, but there has to be an understanding that “$200 without a table” Is not “overpriced” because, massage may just be the title. Perhaps they charge $200 for the cost of the overall experience, and massage is just part of it.
Now: where lower rates do come in handy, is if I’ve already made enough, or I’m in a city where business is steady throughout the week. In that case; it can stretch and accentuate, what has already been earned.

I had to re-read to make sure the post was 2024.
Meanwhile... an escort I recently saw in NYC wanted 1000 and promptly reduced it to 500 when I hesitated. And, when the hour was almost up, he asked for a tip to stay longer. 

You can ask, but don't be shocked if the experience is affected.
It's why I never continue a conversation when someone begins negotiation.  I thank them and move forward.
If you get your price, that's great, but it always going to be the elephant in the room with any escort with decent business sense.

While I do not usually haggle, I see no harm in asking.  Most people here are of the opinion that this demeans the provider.  I raise the option that a client may truly not be able to afford the cost but is so enamored of the provider that he is hoping to have an opportunity to meet with him. For this, the potential client is willing to debase himself by asking for a more affordable price.  
Sure one can always say, you should buy what you can afford, but if that were true, coupon makers and Groupon would be out of business. 

I’m in the “no haggling” camp. Having done contract work in the past, nothing set my teeth on edge more than someone asking for me to lower the monetary value of my services for this, that, or the other. If, on the rare occasion when I HAD to accept the lower rate, you can rest assured that the client received diminished efforts commensurate with their haggled rate.
If the table and parking are that much of a sticking point, just pass on this provider. There are others who will work for a rate that fits your budget. If this provider is a must have, then pull funds from another line item of your budget and go have fun.

Yeah I initially thought he was talking about an escort too and was like $200 for an escort? Damn that's a great deal for his time! Personally $200 is not super unusual for masseuers in my area although many of them provide somewhat "erotic" experiences like oral/mutual touching, etc at that price.
But other places are different. I've had some excellent massages on beds. Actually I feel like some masseurs can get a little deeper when they're kind of on top of in ways that beds provide. My guess is that this guy is also a hybrid escort/masseur and travelling with a table is a big pain. In my opinion, visiting masseurs don't often have a table unless they're on a road trip or something. Paying for parking at a hotel sucks but perhaps you can avoid it by street parking? I've often scheduled downtown visits on Sunday when street parking downtown is both free and usually more plentiful during the week. Personally don't mind a little walk if it saves me money. 
Overall $200 for a really good, well-reviewed and hot masseur especially if there's "erotic" elements is a fairly normal price. I mean you can try to say that's too high but I would be suprised if the escort would budge much. If he's hot and well-reviewed, I think he would likely find clients who would pay for his services at that rate. 

Just curious: what was it that you thought, we were supposed to think 🤔 
That said, it’s good that you mentioned “masseur”, but it didn’t quite seem that way initially. Because $200 for an escort certainly isn’t “too high”. 
 
As for the $160/$180, as someone who’s done those prices before, I can tell you why it’s harder to find: ESPECIALLY if you’re talking about a traveling provider (which once again, $200 is just a straight forward number).
Hotels are more expensive. Most clients are leery of “budget friendly” hotels. I don’t mind budget friendly hotels, however not all are equal. In Seattle couple years ago, most anything budget-brand was nothing nice. I had to stay outside of the city, just to find something suitable. 
 
And in regards to: “I mean some money is better than no money, they are getting 100% of the fee”. But is it? I know for me: part of why I have gotten away from such rates is because, $150 is a good price only in numbers.
 
Meaning, if I need $500, I need to see 3-4 clients at $150 minimum. That assumes non of the clients flake, AND they are all able to meet on the same window of days, the 3 other clients can meet. I’m here to tell you: that rarely happens. When it does happen, it may be 1 week, but not every week. Or it may be in one city, but not every city. 
 
If someone were to book a $160/180 right now: I’d be grateful, but it would just be enough for immediate expenses. When I was young and starting out, $80 sounded good to me. But then I realize just how fast that goes, and how many people I have to see for it to add up. And lot of times, it’s spinning tires trying to get $100/$150 bookings to add up. It can be hard to save, because it likely goes into hotels or other daily expenses.
 
That’s why for me personally: I now have a $250 starting session, with $200 being the base. $250-$500 is the range I desire. Also like a previous topic I posted: a longer session which earns $1,000-$2,000 is going to really make a difference.
I know Masseur rates tend to be a different ball game, but not everyone runs it the same. That’s why I’ve moved away from the masseur title, and consider myself more of an overall experience. However in the Midwest and much of America: Masseur has become a safer way of saying “Escort”. I can understand, but there has to be an understanding that “$200 without a table” Is not “overpriced” because, massage may just be the title. Perhaps they charge $200 for the cost of the overall experience, and massage is just part of it.
Now: where lower rates do come in handy, is if I’ve already made enough, or I’m in a city where business is steady throughout the week. In that case; it can stretch and accentuate, what has already been earned.

There will be a variety of opinions about what 'should be' the going price in any city, but 'should be' doesn't make it so. Escorts have the option of setting any price they want, and clients have the option of paying it or not. The going rate in a market is what it is, what someone thinks it should be won't change that. Is hiring an escort a luxury? Maybe, maybe not. Not all escort experiences feel like a luxury, and from reading these forums as long as I have, a luxury price tag is no guarantee of a luxury experience.  Businesses like to portray their products or services as luxurious but reality bites, and they have to offer a product that's truly outstanding or offer a service tailored to a price point they can achieve. Escorts are not exempt from that economic reality. As @BuffaloKyle said $300-400 seems to be where the NYC market has landed. You can wish it were otherwise (higher or lower) but don't hold your breath.
I'm not altogether sure that this thread will elicit any new insights that threads about prices haven't already offered, but we can hope.

Moderator note: this is starting to sound similar to another thread that has been well discussed. Let’s move on. Locked.

I’ve paid deposits and will continue to do so for well-reviewed and seemingly established escorts. I’ve never once been burned. 
Perhaps I’ve been incredibly lucky or very good in my vetting. But I don’t think it’s unreasonable for a provider to request a nominal ($25-$50) deposit. Generally, it’s only required the first time. 
And if you are using Venmo or PayPal, it often requires the escort to reveal their actual name or business name. So they’re also exposing themselves. 

Well let’s not forget, sometimes clients flake on their own deposits. And in this case, I just did a very nominal deposit. Which I don’t normally do but I was trying to make it easy for the person. 


 
So, throw that no same day appointment idea for deposits out the 🪟 I especially do it for same day appointments, because I have to be ready at short notice quicker than anticipated. 
 

Yuck , your condescending side is showing once again. Amazing how you claim to be such an escort connoisseur and advocate, yet regularly make demoralizing and cocky statements in reference.
Get it together…Don’t be a bitch.

Yes, but trust and believe it’s no different than what male escorts deal with. It’s been proven based on the original poster and what others like myself, have stated.
 

You’re looking at in a “escort receives some cash, therefore makes a profit” view.  What I’m telling you is: a deposit is not necessarily a profit. For example, if I take a deposit and then spend my own money to reserve a hotel or drive to someplace far away and the client cancels: where’s the profit in that? It’s not. I broke even, and didn’t make any profit at best. Lost more than what the deposit was worth, at worst.
When I get a deposit, that is only towards the costs and time of getting ready for the session. That could include anything, from renting hotel, outcall time/travel (as I’ve stated before, not all of us live in San Francisco where clients may be a block away…my commute can be an hour away or longer). 

A deposit is not a spending spree for me, by any means. It’s received but it’s not in the way you think: “oh I made money”. Even when I’m in close range of the city while traveling and already set up in a hotel: I can’t have clients jerking me around (no pun intended) and not being serious because I may have plans with friends, and how embarrassing to tell or cancel plans with friends, only for the client to cancel too.
So I still have to get a deposit even when I’m “Available now”.
 
 

Right, but Las Vegas likely didn’t become popular because people were scared to put in a little money to gamble 🤔 

Now, the only difference in the client versus escort gamble: a client losing $50-$100 on a deposit isn’t going to “take food out of their mouth”. That’s their discretionary play money. Their loss is still a loss, but it’s not in the same level of risk.
Years ago when I didn’t know any better, I traveled to Las Vegas from Denver for the first time: thinking I would find tons of clients. Nope. Spent two days on hotels, went without a deposit, and almost ran out of gas on the way back in the middle of the desert. That’s not a gamble to take lightly. 
 

There’s no guarantee to anything with or without a deposit. In fact, meeting a stranger for sex is risky in itself but guess what: you still have to screen, still have to use common sense, etc. A deposit is a very small layer of risk compared to the bigger picture: you’re meeting someone new AND it’s money involved. Whether that money is cash or a phone apps. In fact, I think many clients have become more agreeable to phone app payments since it’s overall safer than just carrying cash. 
Also you’re both right it’s not just clients. Sometimes I find the cities with the flakiest clients, tend to also have the flakiest gay scenes in general. This weekend I was trying to get 3 different guys I know to meet: 2 I hooked up with once, the other just a (now) platonic friend (we started off as a hookup, but it didn’t work out so we been “trying” a friendship).
Only 1 of the guys managed to meet, and it seemed like I was begging him…keeping in touch, trying to come up with a time and plan to meet. The other 2, in their own world.
And this morning I was trying to get a repeat client to come over to my hotel since I was hosting. Even though it was short notice and I reached out to him first, he claimed to only be 12 minutes away, but then after a few messages he changed his mind saying he would not have enough time. 
 
I feel many gay guys operate under a “only when I want it and when it’s convenient for me” way. People can argue, “I don’t think he means to waste your time”. Bullshit. These people know exactly what they’re doing. And it’s especially bad I believe, for Black gay men, as many articles on a simple google search will reveal. No matter how much people want to deny it, or sweep it under the rug like it doesn’t exist. 
But hearing it from others, goes to show it can happen to anyone in this lifestyle. And not getting paid for a 3 day session is nothing short of robbery. 
 

I know I use this term often around here: but that gaslighting term comes up again. You can’t gaslight my experiences, and then reference sales data to back it up. It’s not exactly the same, but I get where you are coming from.
 
I know the difference between a client who hasn’t bothered to read an ad, but contacts for a session and then doesn’t want to comply with anything…such as deposits. Or reasonable notice. I have seen the same clients who were dismissive, come around again and try to rebook only to do it again. And more often than not it’s the exact type of people I mentioned earlier. 
I think @Monarchy79 described it pretty accurately, even though we have differing opinions at times. Many gay guys are streaming multiple options, including the free route. I’m always grateful when someone does go my route.
 
I think you’re inserting fear tactic where it’s not necessarily needed. You assume the escort is the fault if people aren’t following thru properly. I know that’s easy to do, but you have to think a bit more critically and actually ask the ones who are doing this…what the actual facts are.
Remember that thread I made about longer sessions? This was in a city that is KNOWN for clients to be consistently flaky. I basically went to the area for that 1 client only, because the amount he was willing to pay. Any other time, I would not dare stop in that town EVER, without a client Pre-booked (city I refer to is Indianapolis btw). I know how they are.
Before and while I was there, I had several messages from guys on RM/RMASS who didn’t book. Only 2 showed up, but it was worth the trip. Marketing isn’t always the deal sealer. 
 
I’ll even go further to say: most places in America just aren’t good for the biz. Think about it: ANY GAY MEN HERE LOOKING TO GET PAID OR PAY FOR SEX TODAY? Say that aloud in public and see what happens. And then see how it compares to “sales data”. Yes, sex sells and all but we’re up against a force of nature bigger than just “marketing”. Then add living or marketing in places were the men are cheap, or racist, or family/church oriented…you can’t blame that on the escort. The way people act, is a product of their environment. And the clients come to us with that same mentality. Then somehow it’s our marketing at fault. Hmm 🤔 how does that work.
Some places are more time wasters than others. I have long learned I have to be strategic to where I go. I don’t go to places based on lots of other guys advertising. Other guy’s choice of location or definition of success (some people may only need 2-3 clients a month only, I’m not). 
 
People not in the business, often think that’s always the solution, “go to Miami, go to Los Angeles, go to New York.” Yeah, but that all costs money, and you have to market platinum boost ($24/day) and “available now” constantly to get noticed. And the bigger the city, sometimes the more flakes and even competition trying to stall your business.
 
The state I live in, there’s only a couple cities where one can regularly get clients: Kansas City and St. Louis. And they both have sucked (pun intended) lately. At this point, I’m where I don’t even want to work in my home state anymore because nobody is booking. I have my select regulars, but there’s been hardly any new clients. I even had one the other week send me $20 consultation, then the next day when we were scheduled, he wasn’t answering his messages. 
 
That’s why in cases like this, best course of action is usually to leave for a couple years and only go back to visit when necessary. But travel for a month or 2 helps too. Sometimes it doesn’t matter how good your marketing is. If the guys in an area don’t want to pay and/or can’t afford it: It won’t make a difference.
 

I'm not convinced the male sex drive needs a "funnel" to seek out real men. Unfortunately, actual physical contact is one thing AI won't be able to provide for a loooooong time.
(and when it does, there goes not only escorting, but probably dating, marriage, etc.)

It is…. But it’s a bit different for homosexual men, because dick and ass is always available. Which is why so many gay men flake out on each other… in one scenario, a gay man can be wavering between a hookup on a app, a bar/nightclub, the gym, sex party/orgy, hiring a masseur or an escort, or even public cruising. He’s always flaking for something better, because the likelihood of something better is actually possible. 
 
For a straight man, he doesn’t have many easy options for women. And many options can burn his pockets, as your average woman isn’t simply down for easy sex, especially because of the culturally imposed norms regarding a woman’s “virtue”. If he wavers for too long, he can wind up stuck with blue balls, or entertaining a lot lizard/crack whore…. LOL. 
 

This provider’s business model is “If you go into my store, you have to buy something. If you ask about a product, you have to buy it.”