Jamie21

Nice idea. I might use it. Although I do ask clients to shower before their massage. I like the idea of wiping feet because I do sometimes suck toes (it can be immensely sexy, some clients love it).

If the client is just a bit green and probably anxious then I’m fine to indulge them in longer discussion. Even though most probably won’t book, a few do (I’m estimating about 20%), those kind of clients are great to see when they do come. So it’s worth talking with them. Everyone has to start somewhere don’t they? Practical questions are ok too although if they open with ‘how much is it?’ then I’m 95% confident it won’t happen. At the end of the day it’s very easy to quickly identify the time wasters, and to cut them off.

You are being naive! It can start off rather innocently: ‘hi can you tell me about x or y during the session, I’m thinking of booking’…. this question gets asked despite your advert or website being quite clear about the activities. However some clients like to ask…so you answer with some detail without making it salacious. Then they say ‘will you do x to me?’ ….you reply ‘yes x can be included’. Then comes back ‘can I do x to you?’…’yes you can’. Then a picture arrives of a part of his anatomy ‘do you like my x?’. By now you know it’s a time waster and he’s sexting. I reply ‘if you’d like to book a session please let me know when and how long for’… Other ‘clients’ (they’ve never booked but they keep saying they’re ‘definitely booking once they’ve saved up / got a free day / visit your area / lost weight etc) message regularly to chat and ask questions about the work: ‘hey how’s it going? What pants are you wearing today?’ ‘Any clients today?’ or they’ll send a cock / ass pic for comment ‘waiting for you’ or ‘I need your cock’ etc. It’s like they think they have a special relationship with you. Other times you get clients who did visit text some time later (it’s usually weeks afterwards) to say how they enjoyed it (which is nice!) but then they also want to talk about their session and kind of deconstruct it: ‘did you enjoy it? Was I your best client?’ ‘Tell me what you liked about me?’ This is awkward to answer because sometimes it’s hard to remember any details but you don’t want him to think he was just another client. I keep some notes now (to help me for potential future visits) so I can remember what he liked etc. So I hope you can see that handling enquiries etc can take up a lot of time! I’d say only 50% of enquiries end up with a client booking. The rest just don’t happen for various reasons to do with window shoppers, schedules that don’t align and those shopping where they can’t afford it.

Some would say that’s an attraction. You could increase the price based on how many loads have been deposited.

Imagine being the last client of the day in a day where he’s had 10 30 minute sessions….

Maybe the solution is to keep the price the same but provide less for it? Have you noticed how some groceries or chocolates / sweets (candy for our US cousins) are getting smaller? They keep the price the same but almost imperceptibly the size of the product gets smaller… So I suggest keep your rates flat but maybe only use 80% of your dick when fucking the client? (I mean they’re still getting a lot more than average). Or in the small print of your advertising define an hour as 50 minutes? Perhaps speed up the clock in your bedroom? Maybe when massaging your client lop 20% off the length of each effleurage stroke? I think there’s lots of options to shave the service to maintain profit margins 😉. Seriously though…I don’t mean to make light of the issue @Jarrod_Uncut. I think it’s a genuine problem in this business. My rates have more or less stayed the same for 4 years. I think it’s a problem because the market is competitive and clients can be fickle. My costs have increased substantially especially recently. The worry is however that if you put up rates you’ll lose business. So you put off the increase until it becomes impossible and then you apply a big increase which clients notice. Maybe the answer is to do what many businesses do any apply an increase annually. Ultimately I think if you back the quality of what you offer then you should reflect that in the price.

You’re very understanding. As a provider I’ve had incidences where I’ve bottomed for the client and unfortunately it’s been a bit messy. Even if you think you have prepared thoroughly and are confident about being clean it can happen. Therefore I try to be understanding and not make a drama out of it.

Sad. Ok so an anecdote doesn’t mean it’s common…but here’s my experience of meth use. I’ve a provider friend who I’ve known for years. A beautiful intelligent and sexy guy. We met at a porn film shoot (an auspicious start!). We were not scheduled to film together but the director guy saw that we had connected so put us together. The shoot was as if a fireworks factory went up. We became friends, we saw a few clients together, did more films, had fun. Our orbits were different (I’m older, have some different interests) but as is the case in London, and in the gay scene especially, it’s a city village and we came across each other from time to time and kept in touch. We’d exchange helpful information on the business with each other (although my client base and modus operandi was a bit different to his). We’d also make recommendations of guys to film with (the Onlyfans collaboration circuit 😂) and share stories. There’s some experiences it’s better to talk about with another sex worker. Over time I became aware that he seemed to be going down a route that took in the London party scene and clients who liked PNP sessions. However he seemed to be ok with it and was having fun so I didn’t say anything. Then one time we were chatting via text and somehow ended up booking a weekend away together, as a chill out and break. We’re both kind of impulsive like that. The plan was, relax, shoot a film, eat, sight see, do random stuff. On the break I noticed he’d disappear into the bathroom for ages and he seemed to be constantly awake and slightly anxious. I didn’t ask and kind of assumed he was finding it hard to wind down. Other than that it was a nice break for both of us. A few months later I saw him and he looked like he’d aged years. He told me he’d been doing meth, including while we were away (how didn’t I notice?). He told me he realised he was on a path to destruction so he’d signed up for a course to get clean and had cut off all contacts with the circle of friends’ who’d got him into it. He asked for my help which I was happy to do. His story was that at first it was fun, and he felt he could handle it. He hid the effects of it successfully and appeared ok. Then, all of a sudden it changed and he went from ok to not ok in an instant without realising it. Fortunately he got out and is ok now but it was almost too late for him. As I said, it’s an anecdote. It’s not a controlled academic study into the impact of PNP but I thought I’d share because I saw someone who lived a beautiful life almost destroy themselves by opening a door they couldn’t close again.

That does sound like they can’t cope with it!

Wax for max smoothness. Although I do shave my balls. In the shower with foam and a razor. Works fine.

Some people can cope with it, lots can’t. I occasionally get asked but my answer is ‘no’ because I think I’d be one of those people who couldn’t cope with taking substances. I don’t even drink! Group is fine, happy to do that but once it becomes a PNP type event then I’m leaving. If you aren’t into it then best to decline

Latex gloves feels too clinical. Condom is fine if it’s just a finger or two going in.

I like the ‘get acquainted’ approach. Sounds good. Most of my clients are massage clients. Those that are anxious or new to make to male experience appreciate the opportunity to treat the session as just a naked massage. That way they can tell themselves nothing need happen unless they choose it during the session. We go at their pace. I find that working with anxious or ‘exploring’ clients probably the most rewarding and interesting sessions. It’s so fulfilling when they say they had a great time. One of the best parts of the work.

I find most of my clients who request or agree to anything in their bum are prepared. And definitely a shower before we start is important (I’m not rimming unless he’s showered!!). A few very inexperienced guys aren’t prepared but these tend to be those that describe themselves as straight but curious and they decide they want to try something in the moment rather than it being premeditated. I’ve never suggested to any client that they douche immediately before the session, or during it, especially if anything large is going inside because I know from my own experience that I need time for things to settle down. I remember one out call client I visited who had only just finished douching as I arrived. During the session it became very messy, so he freshened up, douched again and we restarted but with the same result. He got increasingly anxious so I suggested we avoid any penetration, which helped him to relax and finish the session. I’m sure had he douched a few hours earlier it would have been better.

Interesting topic. I’ve had clients ask me not to shower or use deodorant before their visit, and if possible to be a bit sweaty and worked out when they arrive. Also to wear pants (underwear )that have been worn for a day or so. Others ask me not to use scented massage oil but I think that’s more because they are perhaps visiting discreetly and they don’t want their partner to know. I don’t mind what the client smells like as long as it’s not cigarette smell. That’s quite off putting.

Most are clean, if you’re fingering a guys prostate you’re not going deep. Sometimes things get a bit messy, more usually if I’ve topped a guy. It’s an occupational hazard. Just clean up and ignore it. The client doesn’t need to be made to feel bad about it.

I’ve never been requested to use a condom for oral. That would be very unusual indeed. Clients sometimes request me to use a condom on my fingers if I’m doing prostate massage although I prefer to do it without a condom on. I find most clients are fine to not use condoms these days (which is also fine with me). I like the session to progress naturally and the act of putting a condom on, possibly multiple times, is just not conducive to that. But the client’s requirements are priority so they call the shots in this respect. Some are very anxious about catching something which really inhibits their enjoyment. I think if you’re that anxious then probably best not to hire. Just be sensible, test regularly, don’t do highly risky activities and get on Prep.

I had a client drop the key card to his room to me as I stood outside below the window of his 2nd floor hotel room. He didn’t want to be seen with me in the hotel lobby. Nor did he want the hotel staff suspecting that he was my client. I walked in with my massage table… I told him that no one would care, or notice because hotel employees have seen it all…but he still wanted the utmost secrecy around the hotel entry arrangements. @MadHatter I think you should relax a bit about being ‘caught’. It’s a private hotel room, the door is locked. If you picked a good provider (well established, good reviews, etc) and he’s being professional he’ll look after you. Tell him you’re anxious and new and he’ll make sure you’re ok.

The difficulty with taking a table to an outcall I find is that often the client’s hotel room is too small to accommodate the table (with space to move around it). I always ask the client to check that if they want an out call. The other issue is parking close enough to the hotel to be able to get the table to the hotel. My table is portable but I don’t use the ultra light travel tables because they’re not big enough nor comfortable enough for a decent massage. Perhaps these things are peculiar to London, because parking here in central London is a nightmare and hotel rooms tend to be small. I agree with @Simon Suracithat a bed massage isn’t really a proper massage. I can make it work and it’s fine but it tends to be more like an escort session. If clients want that it’s fine but ideally if we can use a table they can get a great table massage and then we move to the bed for a bit more comfort when the session progresses.

I don’t ask for an Uber. But if it’s an out call I add the cost of travel to my usual in call rate. I’m able to book an Uber all by myself 🙂.

I’m not so sure about DoxyPrep. It’s taking antibiotics when you’re not infected as a way of preventing infection. If you’re having bareback sex regularly, like every day, with different partners then you’re effectively on antibiotics constantly. Widespread use will mean the bacteria become resistant. It’s meant to be occasional for high risk events like a sex party or sex club visit where you might have bb sex with multiple partners. If you are going to have bb sex then there’s always a risk of catching something. But I’d say most providers are very responsible and aware about their sexual health. I get tested every 3 months, and have been vaccinated for things like Mpox and Hepatitis etc. It’s guys who have hookup sex randomly but who don’t get routinely tested who I think you have more chance of catching something from.

I had a client say he loved me. He invited me on holiday with him. This expression of love wasn’t made in the moment (the sessions were quite passionate I guess, I include kissing and cuddling etc) but after we’d finished and he was getting dressed which made it feel very sincere to me. He certainly made it clear about his feelings. He said he’d been thinking about me all the time between our sessions. It was very awkward and his question about the holiday caught me by surprise. I didn’t like to ask ‘do you mean you’re wanting to hire me for the holiday?’ because I’m sure he thought I had feelings too. I didn’t know what to say to him and he quickly realised from my hesitancy and surprise that he’d gone too far. Very awkward indeed. He hasn’t been back. I think with some clients it’s loneliness and lack of intimacy that brings them to hire (which is fine, it’s a good reason to hire) but then a few of them start to believe that the provider is falling for them. Being able to genuinely be intimate with a client for their session is a skill good providers have but it can be misinterpreted by someone who’s looking for more. That’s the most difficult part of the job for me. Had he left out the ‘love’ part and the ‘thinking about you all the time’ comment and just said ‘how much would you charge to come with me on holiday’ I’d have provided the rate, services, and started packing….

Me too. Most of my friends are intrigued by my job and like to ask questions. I know some of them watch my porn films. There’s some friends, or probably more accurate to call them associates or acquaintances who I’d not volunteer any information about what I do. I don’t have any shame or embarrassment about it but I think these people might be judgemental and I don’t know them well enough to gauge their reaction.

Don’t try. It’s a different product. You’d be likely to offend the masseur, and or get banned by the establishment. If you like him and get a sense he’d offer a different service then once your session is over you could ask him if he works as a masseur outside of the spa setting. That’s his opportunity to read your request and offer his other services (at a different location) if indeed that is something he offers. If it is in his repertoire he will understand and give you the necessary information. If he doesn’t do anything like sensual or erotic massage he’ll just say ‘no’.

I go to a few that are naked. But you have to wear shoes, so everyone just tucks their money in their sock. Easy.