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If you have a good relationship with your client and enjoy doing things together, you might consider a more "time-based" discount. I've had that with a few guys before. When we just have a regular hour-long session or whatever, it's always the same price. But if we kind of make it into a boyfriend experience date-night thing, then the guys have offered a bit of a discount. Like if normally it would be $600 for 2-hours, instead it's $600 for three hours and we also go have dinner as part of it or something. 

From the guys perspective, the likelihood of finding 2-3 clients the same evening (And the chance of being able to perform for them) is less likely then the guarantee of being paid by a regular client can be appealing. And if you can add to their experience that is always helpful. I had one guy who was always really into live theater and so we often watched a play as part of our time together. 

So maybe approach it in that way...try to see if a regular client is into a longer session that you can maybe discount a bit from what it would normally be as an incentive to the client. But I agree that to charge $250 an hour instead of $300 for a regular is probably not needed and indeed a slippery slope. 

Back when I first started this hobby I was more willing to give a guy a second chance even if it was a slightly subpar experience. And often the guy would rise to the occasion (in some cases literally) and perform much better the second time around. I do think getting to know the guy and being more comfortable around him does help.

But I find myself more reluctant to give second chances now. I think partially it's the price increases. There's a big difference to me between $250 and $350 and I do feel less willing to take that second chance risk when the price is higher. And also the attitude with some of these guys have changed. It's like they know they aren't performing well but also kinda don't care. I too have gotten the sudden stomach cramps and weird private things coming up in our time together. And yeah things happen, but maybe they always happen with some particular guys?

In your case it does sound like you maybe connected a bit more so go for it. I would suggest you host the next time and maybe be more specific with what you would like out of the session. The second time around I feel you can be a little more direct. 

Wow! Only $11?!? See and all of these guys saying you can't find good deals any more in this hobby... 😆

In Denver, I run into guys all the time. A lot of them actually work as bartenders and/or go-go dancers at the gay bars here, so it's very hard to avoid them. Otherwise they attend those same gay bars socially. So yeah it happens and sometimes I will do a brief head-nod hello, and order my drink but otherwise I'll ignore them unless they come up to me. Which has also happened. Lol. 

On 8/31/2023 at 8:23 AM, tassojunior said:

Down south outside the huge metro areas, rates are much lower. Yes, they're there in places like Roanoke, VA, Charleston and Martinsburg, WV, etc. in hustler hangouts and some gay bars. Locals know where they hang out. 

In Europe (not UK) there's shock among clients as some providers are trying to get 200 now, when the rate just went up from 100 to 150 not that long ago (3 or 4 years). Germany especially has always had low rates as Bahnhofjunge are part of German culture.  Guys make their money in wealthy places even like Zurich on turnover at $150, not price. Inside Paragonya it's $100. (Thermas in Barcelona is half that). 

You do have to remember in Europe A) Prostitution is decriminalized so the legal risks to both client and escort are less. I imagine this means less flakes B) It's much easier to get around in Europe. If you have the right rail-pass, you can travel by train from big cities for very little. I went from Cologne to Paris last year for basically 10 euro. Hotels are still kinda expensive but if you can get an "anchor client" in each city that will do an overnight, you basically get your hotels covered and then it's just profit after that. In the US, it really may be $200-$300 just to travel to a new city and get a hotel for just one night. 

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Personally I think we should close this thread. It's just become a lot of back and forth. I think we kinda get the two sides of the story at this point.

23 hours ago, muscmtl said:

You ornganized an escort orgy? you mind saying how much it costs? and did all escorts play with you or some only played with one another 

Both times I tried it, kinda ended up a bust. The most guys I was ever able to put together was three and partially it's because there was this local couple that could easily be hired together (I have hired couples multiple times. It's actually fairly easy and not that much more expensive). It wasn't as expensive as you'd think. I hired the couple for an overnight at $1500 and the other guy for a couple hours for $500 (I think I ended up giving each another $100 or so as a tip as well). So it was $2K total for the company. I had a total budget of $3K and was hoping to have five guys total, but one guy just stopped communicating and flaked and the other one apparently had some weird beef one of the guys. 🤷‍♂️

I think that's a great skill. I personally could pay someone to help with that. I've tried to arrange it on my own and it can be a real challenge. I've found that escorts know each other and often don't like each other. Or they just have odd schedules that are hard to get together in one place. If someone knew a few good guys and could bring them to a hotel room, I'd definitely pay for that, 

41 minutes ago, ICTJOCK said:

I would hope not.   I liked part of what you expressed as you talked about the "experience".   A good escort should always be concerned about the client and the kind of experience he is having.   It can be a challenge when you don't know the client,  but adequate texting in advance should yield a clue.   My only suggestion  (as I 'm sure you already know)  is to evaluate whether the provider has an understanding of what you really want and are on the same wavelength.

Good advice. Yeah I do try to talk to the escorts and tell them what I want and as I said I am pretty reasonably flexible in terms of activities even. I'll have a conversation saying: "I am vers and definitely would love to flip if possible but can either bottom or top." And then the guy comes saying he can't bottom because he's not properly douched and then cannot stay hard to top for more than a few minutes at a time. That's kind of a problem. 

2 hours ago, soloyo215 said:

Personally I don't think that AI is going to replace humans, especially in this type of activity. It might impact the porn industry since it's capable of producing visuals.

Yes I was thinking the same thing. Definitely porn since you get very realistic visuals. Already they have AI technology that can replace one performer's face for another (like an ex or whatever). And porn could be very customizable with AI in ways current ones cannot. The face/body scanning technology that SAG is worried about could certainly apply to porn with no union protections.

In a weird way could AI actually encourage porn stars to escort to make more money?

Just a reminder that 8"+ dicks are extremely rare. Probably less than 1% of men have them. Obviously those men may be quite popular as escorts, porn-stars etc. But the average guy is only about 5." Even most of the guys I've hired are really more in the 6-8" range. Very few are above that

56 minutes ago, marylander1940 said:

 

Is that better or worse?

 

It's different is all. When you hire, I think the escort is more about making sure you get what you want and if there to provide that service. A hookup is definitely more about mutual pleasure. When I hooked up with the escort on the app, he actually wanted to bottom and almost certainly if I was hiring, I would bottom. But I like topping and we actually ended up flipping a bit. Overall it was a hot time but also definitely more down to just having sex and not a BFE experience.

 

These new apps like Sniffies are interesting because they are very much about sex and very location based. You literally see where they are on a map. Multiple escorts use it in Denver for hook-up purposes. 

Shoot your shot but do realize that even if it is successful, it's a hookup not an escort experience. So it's not about your pleasure and making it all about you. There's a lot more give and take.

I've seen most Denver escorts on the dating sites. Sniffies is quite common now. If it's a guy I've already hired, than I really just ignore them on those sites completely and truly don't even acknowledge it if I hire them again. 

I did hookup with a guy whose ad I checked out on Rent.men but who I never actually hired. It was on Sniffies and his initial picture was not his face so I didn't really know he had an ad on Rent.men until we chatted for a bit. It was hot hookup. He's a bit of an older guy and he did mention when we hooked up that he was going on a "trip with a friend" soon, which I interpreted as a hiring trip. But otherwise he never said anything about being an escort or asked me to compensate him in any way.

Escorts get horny and want to hook up or even have a relationship too. If you haven't hired the escort, I say go for it on the apps. If you have, I think that's a bit awkward and certainly you shouldn't expect anything to change just because you saw him on Growlr.

I think it's normal and fine for attachments to develop both ways between clients and escorts. Human beings naturally seek companionship and as we get to know each other, of course bonds will form. I have genuinely become friends with a few guys I have hired. One of them I consider a good friend and he no longer escorts and we still hang out (non-sexually) from time to time.

What is tricky is expecting the business side of the relationship to change at all. I always think of it as if the escort had another job. If I had a friend who was an artist, I support my friend by buying their art, not expecting it for free. Ultimately, the same is true even if you do have a genuine friendship with an escort. Companionship and sex is his job and you should not expect that to be free. Maybe because he likes you, he'll give you a bit of extra time or something, but that should be completely at his suggestion and never expected by the client.

It does appear that Jack Rose's ad has expired. Not sure if that means he's not escorting or if he just has enough regulars that he doesn't need to advertise currently. 🤷‍♂️

I met with him before. I definitely enjoyed his massage. He definitely makes it very erotic with lots of mutual touching. I'd recommend him for sure.

I was in Maui in January visiting my uncle who has a place there (fortunately undamaged). Very sad to hear about Lahaina. It's a very pretty town with lots of beautiful older buildings. Hope things can be restored as best as they can. So hard to hear there were some deaths. It sounds like the fire moved incredibly fast. Thinking of my Maui friends tonight for sure. 

Rough week for losing weird, interesting people who were unafraid to be themselves. RIP Paul. His performance as a gay hairstylists/drug dealer in Blow was also quite good. 

I always really liked her first album "The Lion and the Cobra." She really was at that vanguard of "alternative music," a great hybrid of dance, rock, folk and something avant-garde and completely different. And that amazing voice that could coo softly one second and absolutely wail the next. Though her biggest hit is a Prince cover, she was a great songwriter in her own right. 

 

Sinead will be remembered as a brilliant, iconoclastic performer and activist.  Her musical talent is undeniable and she was absolutely right to expose the obvious corruption of the Catholic Church that was getting away with abusing children for decades if not centuries. RIP to one of the best artists of her generation even with her relatively short career.

I think it's hot generally. I think it's fun to think about all the connections you now have to so many famous porn stars. And usually they know how to fuck. However, a few of them have really big egos and are kind of jerks. But most are cool and I've enjoyed my time with them.

 

I think for the most part, escorts charge the same for time of day. The one thing I have seen is occasionally giving a discount on a second meeting. There's been a couple visiting guys who I had an amazing time with who have hit me up while they were still in town. Usually I can't really afford another session so soon and tell them so. In some cases, I have been offered a pretty good discount for a second session and yeah it has enticed me back to them.

I do think for the escort there's a little bit of thinking, "Hey, I had a good time with this guy. I leave town tomorrow and I know he's real and not a flake, so why not drop the price a bit for a sure thing."

It's been so strange in Denver. Very wet, stormy and cool. We only broke 90 degrees on June 30th, which is almost absurdly late. Denver has had more rain in 2023 than Seattle. We've had close to 8 inches in just the last two months. Normally it's dry and kinda hot. Not unusual to see a few triple digits by now. Also kinda humid. Feels more like the midwest than Denver.