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I feel awkward if my client pays up front. It usually happens if they’re an inexperienced hirer. I just ask at the end how they’d like to pay if they haven’t offered the payment after an appropriate time (usually when they’re dressing). When they book I let them know I can take credit cards so they can either do that or pay cash.

 

Never had any issues except one guy who said afterwards that he didn’t have the cash and had no card. I said I’d walk with him to the cash machine do he could withdraw it. I think he thought I’d say that he was such a good fuck I’d do it for free!

Did y'all do that, or did he take off on you?

We went with Toto NEOREST when we renovated our bathrooms and we love them. When we used to have guests, they did too. This is complex technology and Toto was founded in 1917. They've been doing this for a very long time. BioBedet was founded in 2008, but I've heard good things about them. I may check out their Prodigy toilet for the next project.

Those toilets gross me out. I've formed a strong, albeit completely uninformed, opinion that there's a high likelihood of bits of someone else's "stuff" landing on the water wand only to later be shot up at me if I use the water spray feature.

Am I in the twilight zone? You're three pages deep into a thread about clients being inconsiderate towards you...and at the same time you post this in a different thread:

But don’t belittle, criticize, or shame those who wish to live their lives as chosen. A flu vaccine is nothing more than exposing yourself (Intravenously) to a (dead) virus. So if someone is willing or capable to get the actual virus and deal with (perhaps) mild symptoms (considering not everyone will be equally affected)....is that in itself not a vaccine? We’ve already heard most people with Covid 19 are asymptotic. So to HELL does it matter if the old man/lady down the street who is already dying anyway of something else, gets infected?

The triad to mitigate risks of a COVID infection is strict and frequent handwashing, physical distancing at least 6 feet and the use of a face mask.

This triad has been proven to be effective. Break one of the sides, your susceptibility to possible infection increases. Abiding to 2 out of 3 of the triad can still decrease that risk. That is why health care personnel, who cannot physically distance themselves 6 feet apart in wards and clinics, rely on frequent handwashing and the use of a face mask and has decreased their chances of getting infected. However, the use of just one - either wearing a face mask but not physically distancing or not washing one's hands frequently - has not been proven to be effective. So honestly the use of masks by the masseur and the client is, in my opinion, practically nil in its effect in mitigating the risk of infection.

This is not quite right. In the simplest of terms, you become infected by breathing in the virus (which is why masks are recommended) or by bringing the virus into your body via contaminated hands (which is why washing your hands is helpful). Social distancing, which you obviously can't observe during the massage, helps lower the infection risk even more because you're less close to people breathing out the virus and to contaminated objects you might touch.

So if you and the masseur wear a mask at all times, then you're reducing the risk of breathing in the virus and becoming infected. If you and the masseur wash your hands before and after the massage, and don't touch your faces, then you're reducing the risk of bringing the virus into your body via contaminated hands. Hand washing is not a magic ritual, so the fact that you're not washing your hands every 5 minutes during the massage has no bearing on the effectiveness of those recommendations (and doesn't mean you've broken a "triad"). And the fact that you can't social distance should make it more critical to observe the mask and hand-washing recommendations, not serve as justification for ignoring them.

If y'all need to get a massage, have at it. But please consider doing as much as you can to lower your risk of getting infected and potentially getting others infected too.

A couple years ago, I replied to an ad on Craigslist yesterday, Massage by Straight Guy, touching and sucking allowed. Reasonable rates, hot pics so I thought, why not. He was staying by the airport and was in town for a convention. Masculine, muscled, tattoos, fucking hot!

 

He answers the door in just a tower and tells me to go ahead a get undressed and get on the bed as he jumps in the shower. He was leaving for the airport immediately following my appointment.

I laid down at the foot of the bed so I could get a good view and possibly more of this stud.

He comes out, grabs some lotion and drops his towel, and his cock is even more impressive than in the pictures. He seems a bit stressed and says that he's flying stand by and just arranged for the hotel shuttle to take him. I asked him if he'd like me to take him to the airport and he is very grateful and says that would be incredible. It's only 10 mins away, no problem.

He lotions up his hands and starts rubbing my shoulders and down my spine, I lift my head to see his big, thick cock swinging directly in front of my face and

I start exhaling on it and it starts growing. I'm thinking, should I wait to suck him so I still get message or just go for it...well, I open my mouth and devour his engorging endowment and he sighs. He continues to rub on me while I blow him, I play with the head and deepthroat him. He's a solid 8" but at least 6.5 to 7" thick. A meaty, beautiful cock is now fully erect and I have it very well lube from my spit, I start to jack him as I suck and he responds with very affirming moans and sighs and says, "suck that big, fat cock" which turns me on even more and continue and he says here it comes and explodes in my mouth, and explodes and I keep sucking and stroking.

He continues the massage and then has me roll over and is very thorough and starts to lube up my cock but I decide I need to suck him again and he's fine with it.

This time he lies down on the bed and lets me devour him there. He seems very pleased with my deepthroating ability and before I know it, he's pumping another load in my mouth and thanks me.

We get dressed, he's all packed, I run down and start the car and pick him up at the front door and drop him at the airport.

I am hoping he'll be back to Indy. He was super hot, masculine, mad massage skills and an incredible dick to boot!

It sounds to me like everything happened exactly as expected.

Actually I think this is a sign of the new normal regarding insurance in California, given the increasing ferocity of wildfires due to climate change gender reveal parties. Been reading about it recently in the papers.

Fixed this for you.

First of all, there are no intravenous vaccines. And so what that over 200,000 people in the US have died from this? Not all deaths are "old ladies." What if it were your mother or grandma or someone you loved? I know that your reaction isn't uncommon, but it's shockingly callous in my opinion. I heard a man on TV today tell a reporter that the last time he saw his wife was when they ambulance took her. So what the hell does it matter? Really?

Agreed. I vote we infect this unvaccinated thread with a severe strain of the flu, and let it pass on. There's nowhere to go from here.

Always consult with legal council if they threaten to sue.

Consider doing this, even if for a small fee through one of the online legal service platforms, before taking any of the other steps suggested above (including answering the debt collector's calls). Acknowledging the debt and making a payment offer are two of the many actions that can restart the statute of limitations. So proceed with caution.

Of the 20 posts here so far I’d ask the posters how many of you have conceived a child, awaitied (many) medical results, then that tell all ultrasound, 9 months, birth, and raised a child? You might understand the excitement a bit more. ??‍♂️

That said there are too many parties in general! Especially wedding showers.

I don't think anyone's saying they don't understand why parents get excited about having a kid. People can be as excited about that as they want.

I'd say the discussion is more about how that excitement sometimes ends up translating into throwing a party involving explosives (and potentially fires, property damage, death) to reveal that kid's gender. One can have an opinion on that regardless of whether one is a parent.

No social distancing as the benches are close together.

That's the real danger here. If that weren't the case, the guy not wearing a mask at a park wouldn't really be a reason to get the pitchforks out.

We used to go to the dog park about 6 am. The same crowd was always there. The dogs would mingle and I would pet a lot of them. A friendly time. Then some jerk introduced dog treats and suddenly the camaraderie with the dogs evaporated. They waited for cookie man and spent their time with him. As if that was not enough, he started bringing coffee. That hadn't been a problem as people would momentarily remove their mask and sip, then put it back on. Yet this guy now never wears a mask, and others are now following his example so that they can drink their coffee. Has COVID disappeared with the coffee cups?

No, but it has likely disappeared due to the combination of the wind's dilution effect and sunlight's damage to the virus' structure. So I'm not sure I would condemn people for keeping their masks off for a few minutes while they drink their coffee in a park, assuming they're observing social distancing guidelines. If you keep your own mask on in that scenario, your risk of getting infected would be infinitesimally small.

Also, were they Prescribed antibiotics left over from prior infection? Many people don’t use the full course of antibiotics, stopping when they “feel better”. That’s not usually as prescribed.

Just to say it, not taking the full course of prescribed antibiotics has been demonstrated to create the circumstances under which bacteria can develop antibiotic resistance.

https://rent.men/Sexycubpapi

Sexycubpapi? False advertising. ?

Care to translate this site for the Espanol challenged?

I recommend opening foreign-language websites in Google Chrome. It'll automatically ask whether you want it to translate the page to English for you.

I take my hat off to all those who are able to attend gender reveal parties and convincingly pretend that finding out the gender of someone else's baby (a) provides information that is in any way relevant or noteworthy and (b) is cause for celebration.

He's rates are affordable... so I wouldn't expect much in the sensual/erotic side

 

Guys who are willing to pay $170 for a strictly therapeutic massage should strongly consider simply going to a spa where that dough also gets them access to amenities such as a steam room and sauna (à la Burke Willams). Then they at least also have a chance of getting a glimpse of more than one nice wiener... and maybe some bonus action with or without an audience as circumstances allow.

I have seen him as a masseur....and I left VERY happy.

Ditto. I only go for legit massages, now exclusively at spas, chiropractors' offices, LMTs from Yelp, etc. because I gave up on hoping for a non-sexual massage from masseurfinder guys.

But before I gave up hope (and before discovering this site), I saw Rafael Alencar as a masseur too. I didn't even know he was a porn star before seeing him. Anyway, the process leading up to me leaving..."happy"... started within 1 minute of me getting on the table.

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I have a gay friend and we were discussing with him how these visible, non-contagious skin conditions have left him with basically zero sex-life.

His lesions are visible all over his chest, arms and back. I was thinking of recommending him trying escorts but thought of asking here first.

If any client or provider with experience in the topic can provide some guidance on how he could introduce himself to a provider regarding this topic it would be immensely appreciated. Fell free to PM also. He has already been rejected when approaching "regular" folks on dating context so he would expect a more understanding and compassionate approach from a professional. I don't think there would be many other opportunities for him to experience sex besides hiring providers.

 

Thanks in advance for your help.

Your friend's condition sounds like it looks like a severe skin condition. Based on that, I think your friend should flag his condition to the escort when making an appointment. That gives the escort time to research your friend's condition and decide whether to take the appointment.

It would be unreasonable to expect a "more understanding and compassionate approach from a professional" on the spot if that professional is not given a heads up and a chance to educate himself. The escort is also a person with an innate sense of self preservation, so he has the right not to take a new client (essentially a stranger) at his word about whether a severe-looking skin condition is not contagious under any circumstances.

Not giving the escort a heads up would at best set your friend and the escort up for an awkward interaction during the session. Does your friend want to spend his money on a sexual encounter with a person who will provide that service in a way that kills the mood (similar to what @keroscenefire unfortunately had to experience)? I doubt it. So your friend should focus on finding an escort who will not be bothered by your friend's condition and will treat your friend warmly, which will hopefully help build up your friend's confidence.

Alternatively, if your friend simply does not want to bring up his condition before an appointment, maybe he can find an escort who is (or at least claims to be) a licensed massage therapist. They are the type of professional that one could maybe expect to be understanding on the spot because one can assume they have had enough structured training to understand those skin conditions.

I'm curious whether both the mental and physical challenges of life AS a trans person are actually less difficult than the psychological challenges faced prior to the transition.

I have heard that some aspects get better post-transition, such as those related to gender dysphoria and to certain societal "pressures/judgments," assuming the person can pass as cis gender.

But the transition can bring its own challenges, such as living with the consequences of infertility stemming from a pre-puberty male-to-female transition that prevented the testicles from developing and, consequently, no sperm could be frozen before the transition. Adults transitioning later in life might also need to live with the infertility problem if they have bottom surgery without first freezing sperm. But people who transition early might struggle with that more if they eventually feel that they did not have enough information to make decisions concerning fertility at a young age, or that they were not mature enough to make those decisions. So some of them wish they had delayed the transition by a few years so that they could preserve the option of having biological children.

Not odd at all. It's a further fire wall to protect against potential SESTA prosecution.

 

This has been discussed ad infinitum.

Methinks it's to keep the people from drunk dialing masseurs at 3 a.m. ("U up...for a $300 massage?")

I think the ubiquity of cameras have really put a dent in this type of business. I think there are still a lot of DL people who would give it a go but in today's surveillance society don't trust that they won't get their pic taken.

This 1,000%. Having their photos taken would be bad enough, but then there's also the chance somebody posts a full-length HD video of them getting railed.

You seem to be arguing for a level of precaution that, if straight people applied it to STDs, the human race would die out. I am assuming the person in question has an existing relationship with a provider they know and have some sense of their level of responsibility/what type of clients they see. If you want zero risk of contracting it from a massage, the answer is, clearly, don't get a massage.

Well, I wasn't arguing for any particular level of precaution. I was correctly pointing out that the scenario you presented is underpinned by many assumptions and unspoken conclusions about what makes getting a massage safe/safer, which is OP's question. And I think your reply summarizes that issue quite well. You're secure in the idea that you know how responsible your masseur is and what kind of clients he sees (even though you're not with him 99% of the time and only know what he chooses to tell you). Based on that trust, you feel safe and have assumed the risk of getting a massage from him. And that's fine. Like I said, I wasn't judging whether you made the right choice or not. My point stands either way.

To go back to your initial point about precautions though, different medical risks certainty require taking different levels of precaution. Covid-19 can't be compared to STDs in terms of how you catch them, their impact on the human body even when they are diagnosed early, treatment options, and prevention/testing strategies (which, in fact, does make it possible for straight people to procreate while keeping the entire human race from both dying out and inevitably developing gonorrhea).

Obviously I am not downgrading the situation and saying a massage is totally 100% safe. Just putting things into perspective.

The ultimate question one has to answer for oneself, though, is whether taking a risk to get a massage is justified. Some risks are avoidable, some are not. So I'm not sure that the best way of answering that question is by comparing the risk you decide to assume by getting a massage to the risks you must assume to survive (e.g., going to work, buying food, etc.). That's a slippery slope that would take us all the way down to virus transmission being out of control again. I think that each risk-assumption decision should stand on its own, they shouldn't be based on a "well, I already did something else that could have been risky, so why not take some more risks?" logic.

I hope you don't take this personally, @sniper, but I feel like addressing a few points in your post. I'm doing it not to pass a value judgment on whether you or anyone else should get a massage, but instead to highlight the risks involved so that people are making that decision fully informed and without unexamined rationalizations.

If you are in an area where prevalence is very low

How do we define the "area"? Country by country, state by state, county by county, city by city, neighborhood by neighborhood? Do we interview the masseur about his whereabouts in the past 14 days at that "area" level (e.g., is it risky for him to have left his "low-prevalence" county at any point to step foot in a "high-prevalence" county?)?

How do we define "low prevalence" for purpose of deciding with whom to interact in close quarters?

and you are wearing masks

What kind of mask? For example, would a simple blue surgical mask worn for over an hour, getting moist from your breathing, effectively protect you from virus particles that might be floating in the room if the masseur has been coughing, sneezing, speaking a lot in that room, and there's no good air circulation in there?

Also, do we check what mask the masseur is wearing, that it is still effective (e.g., not overused) and that he is wearing it properly the entire time?

and the surfaces are being cleaned

Do we double-check that the substance being used as disinfectant is effective enough to do the job (e.g., that it's not a cheap mix of mostly water with a bit of alcohol?) Do we supervise the cleaning process?

you're relatively safe, because odds are the provider doesn't have it in the first place

Yes, "relatively" is the key word there. When one compares a massage with, on the one hand, being in absolute no-contact, hermit-like lockdown and, on the other hand, going around licking doorknobs, then a massage is relatively safe.

In terms of the masseur's odds of being sick, well that depends on how one responds to the questions and assumptions noted above and below.

I should note I've had a massage as I am in a state where numbers have been low for a couple of months

Same questions about how to define "low" prevalence and whether "state" is how we should define the area level at which prevalence levels should be looked at.

I trust my provider's level of precaution in avoiding it himself. I wouldn't be going to some 20something who's been heading to Fire Island every weekend

That's a lot of trust. How many one-hour, transactional encounters should we have had with a masseur to trust his answers to the relevant questions above? That aside, should we consider that the very fact this is a transactional encounter can motive masseurs to act in less-than-ideal ways (e.g., not disclose that he did go to Fire Island because he feels well and because he knows that disclosing that he traveled there could mean he looses business he desperately needs to pay rent?).

These are all rhetorical questions to illustrate the issue. I'm not actually asking for answers.

I am kinda desperate too!

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This would be safe, right? ?

That's a great, thoughtful question @FrankR. I would love to research it for you. Care to send me one of those chairs so I can conduct a randomized double-blind [insert other sciency words here] safety study and issue a robust report for the benefit of the entire world? ?