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Never ask customers for their age, pics or any personal info before meeting. If you want your customers to be a certain age, body type, etc you are in the wrong business.

Definitely can see that. No spas here do stomach, glutes or inner thighs either, so I’m with you and I charge approx what they do but with to your door (or incall) service that includes all the areas spas miss, so they can’t compete and the Disney Tourists who are planning on paying the crazy resort prices anyway, are happy to pay for room service massage that hits all the spots for less than what the resort spa would charge.
 
I think I mentioned “for your area,” I know the price difference between BFE and NYC is pretty drastic, I’m in Orlando so I was using examples from my area, so your prices may vary drastically either way above or way below.
 
Just suggesting a new masseur takes location into account and fairness for the area, $150 for strictly therapeutic in Disney Orlando is more than fair and less than most spas, you could probably do $200 if you wanted to, but I don’t want to be the guy who nickel and dimes people, so it’s a halfway point. $150 to local orlando is a little excessive and I’ve seen new masseurs as low as $65 (which is a red flag to me to be so low compared to the standard), so I do $100 an hour for outcall therapeutic outside of Disney to take locals and travelers not on a saved vacation budget into account, to this day though the resorts always glare at me walking my table through the hotel haha.
 
I still see people come out of nowhere trying $250+ for an hour therapeutic, then they disappear a month or so in and I’m sure they wonder why, it’s not a get rich quick scheme but building relationships with clients over time, lots of communication, marketing, keeping your client base happy while always taking new ones. I feel like some new people see the rates and think they will be making 6 figures in a week and don’t realize that for every hour actually spent working there are probably 4 or more hours communicating, marketing, advertising, and scheduling for future appointments, so your 10 hour workday varies, dead days you get 1 paid hour out of it, busier days (Wednesday oddly enough blows up here aside from the obvious Friday and weekends) you might get paid for 8 hours and then adding travel and such it’s a loooong 12 hour day.
 
That’s another good one for new masseurs:
 
Be realistic with your expectations, some weeks you will be completely booked out to the point you skip meals and stay up late to fit everyone in, some weeks you will only have your regulars, and it takes time to build those regulars, so don’t expect overnight success, you need a wide skill set outside of the massage itself to make it work. In the beginning you might have half a week between appointments once the “fresh meat” phase wears off unless you have built up to having those regulars.

Do have some flexibility with regular customers, the same way we have it with you when it comes to scheduling and cancelling.
I had a masseur that was seeing sometimes 2x per week for a few months. One day I scheduled an appointment and literally was so tired that fall asleep and did not wake up on time. He called me and I apologized, instead of saying no problem, he demanded the full session paid. I did via paypal. And I never hired him again.

I have a feeling if he's not really draping you well and your cock is popping out, he likes what he sees. Especially if he is stretching your legs and drape moves around and doesn't really cover you back up again.
Part of me feels like it could be awkward if you bluntly asked for release.
When I've worked on glutes and inner thighs, sometimes the guy has to adjust themselves to make themselves more comfortable. They would push their boner down and I would "accidentally" rub their cock while massaging their inner thigh.
And there are times where I do have to move cock and balls out of the way to get to a muscle. Maybe ask for work on these areas so it gives him an excuse to get more handsy. Guys notoriously have tight adductors. The highest one is the pectineus and you usually have to push the ball sack up to get to it's origin. Depending on how your boner is. Some guys point up so it's on the stomach. If that's the case, request abdominal massage which is therapeutically great (such a neglected part, usually never gets massaged) but I usually have to move a cock around to get to the lower abs.

People usually ask me for an exchange since I have "massage therapist" in my profiles. One guy found me on massageexchange.com
Other places were scruff, Grindr, and A4A

When I trade with other therapists, I always learn something new. Even trading with a non-professional has taught me a lot. I've learned more from a guy who just has gotten a lot of massages in his life than some pros.

It is okay to turn down a client if you do not get a good feeling from your initial contact.

My cats do that for free.

As someone with many years of massage training and experience, here are my thoughts:
 
1. If he's planning to be legitimate, he needs to get the education and the certification/license as required by his state.
 
2. Given everything you've said, I'm guessing he's planning to be an uncertified/unlicensed bodywork provider who uses his looks and other attributes/skills to provide his service.
 
Whatever he chooses, some basic customer service ground rules:
 
A. Be consistently professional and timely in communication. And make it all match with whatever "brand" or "persona" he's creating for his service. In other words, if he's a "straight Italian from the Bronx" then his pictures, website, communication style, and mannerisms should all align with that "persona" to create the kind of customer experience he wants for his clients.
B. Be on time for appointments and also be on time for the duration. In other words, if you say it's a 60min service, don't stop at 50min. If you stop at 50min, then call it a 50min service!
C. Nail your personal hygiene. Be clean. Nobody--except for certain kinksters--likes a dirty smelly provider. And that goes for colognes and body-sprays too, unless again, you're appealing to a specific client demographic.
D. Learn basic "universal precautions" and follow them or you'll catch something from your clients or vice versa.
E. Use quality products. Consider allergies and other sensitivities.
F. Get a decent anatomy/physiology/kinesiology book and read it.
G. Last but not least, trade massage with other well regarded providers. Learn what they do and get honest feedback about what he does. It goes without saying that he shouldn't do "extras" with legit licensed massage therapists unless there's a clear understanding beforehand or he might be reported as a sex worker.

When I trade with other therapists, I always learn something new. Even trading with a non-professional has taught me a lot. I've learned more from a guy who just has gotten a lot of massages in his life than some pros.

Thank you Stock Bar, sorry I didn't want to get anyone in trouble. I don't expect you to be able to fix these situations if you are not aware. I just wanted to have a good time and enjoy your establishment and I did. You were very gracious to our group and have some of the best dancers I've ever seen/felt ;-)

Maybe you should try doing it in a house.
 
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To be honest as a Massage Therpist if clients ask to many question I say “ All I can Legally say is it’s a full Body Massage”
 
I never know who’s on the other side of the conversation. It’s best for me to be cautious. Some clients do not get the hints so most of the time they do not book me.
 
 

I was in Montreal last weekend for a long-ish stay from Thursday to Tuesday. Nice to be past the worst of the winter in Montreal. It was still cool/cold whilst I was there but there was no snow/rain which was nice.
 
I started off at Stock on Thursday night just after midnight. I did a quick canvass of the place and saw very little that interested me in terms of dancers. Since the night was already late (I had a late flight arrival), I decided to walk over to campus to see what was happening there....I was happy I did. Campus had 4-5 solid looking musc/masc guys dancing. It was a surprisingly good lineup for a slow cold Thursday night. I hung out with two guys who I knew that previously danced at Stock two years ago. Had a great time with them and also looking at the substantial eye-candy on the stage. A good time was had by EZEtoGRU at Campus on the Thursday.
 
I was concerned about Stock for the rest of my long weekend since Thursday there was a disappointment. I quickly learned that I needn't be. Stock had a very solid lineup of guys for the rest of my stay Friday till Sunday. I had a great time all three nights and didn't at all feel the need to wander over to Campus again. I spent time with lots of hot guys. The notable one's were Franco, Tyson, Justin, Kobe, Mike, Kevin, Morgan, and Jo. So many men....so little time. So much fun. So much alcohol. It was worth it.
 
I stayed an extra day in Montreal to go to the Red Wings vs Canadiens game at the Bell Centre on the Monday night. That was a blast! I went with three "friends" from Stock. Boy was I the thorn between three roses. LOL.

Don't be grabby! Let it all happen and unfold without rushing!

To me, that phrase has always been in the context of taking the massage into erotic areas, and respecting that the masseur may or may not be open to that. Proceed lightly, light brushes against the masseur and gauging his response before going further; if he doesn't appear to be open to it, let it go.

Yes, see above. I also think it means do not treat them like an escort, so do not start to grope and grab them or initiate sexual moves. Treat them with respect means respect their chosen title of masseur (as opposed to sex worker/escort), and very often if you do not force the issue, you may get a pleasant surprise. This would seem to go without saying for many of us, but apparently not for everyone. That was always my understanding of the phrase anyway.

I have been traveling (in my van) since the end of January - down and now back up the East Coast.
 
In the past week, I have been taken care of orally by three different, good looking, younger men (20s & early 30s) that I encountered unexpectedly! In places that haven’t yielded BJs since Craiglist came along.
 
These younger guys might not have been intersted in me on CL, but now they are back to craving cock and back to understanding that a nice one is a nice one regardless of the age of the man:)
 
Unexpected each time as I was not looking - guess I will pay more attention now that Washington has driven men away from their computers and back out in to the world:)

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captainbuddy wonders: "This must be in New York City, because a gay guy anywhere else in the world would know to specify the location."
 
well, if you have to ask, ............
 
 
 
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My first Erotic Massage was on a business trip. I hired a masseur for an outcall. When I answered the door, I felt like I had ordered a pizza. The guy had a classic pizza delivery guy vibe. About 22 years old......but could easily pass for 18 y/o. About 6 ft....with a swimmers build. He had no table, so he spread a sheet on the bed. He stripped first, and as he took off his pants out dropped an enormous cock, thick and with a huge head. I quickly stripped and got on the bed. He started on my upper back, and did an amazing job. Big, strong hands. He did a foot massage, and then he made his move. When he did the foot massage, in a smooth move, he took my one leg and put it at my side, and without asking dove into my ass with his tongue. He was very verbal, and kept murmuring how hot I was ( sure, I 'll take that LOL). I was a bit unsure whether to let him continue, but went with the flow. He must have rimmed me for over 15 minutes, and kept reaching and pinching my nipples at the same time as he was rimming me. I was rock hard and stroking myself, and reached over to him and he was rock hard. He kept being verbal, telling me to relax and enjoy his tongue. At my request, I then asked him if we could stand up for a minute. We both stood up, and he then dove into my chest, licking and sucking my nipples, again being verbal. I was ready to burst, so asked if we could get back on the bed. We then got into a 69 position, and went at each other's cocks. He was then ready to cum, and as I took my mouth off his cock, he shot and hit the headboard and it dripped down. (he later claimed he shoots even further) He then had me lay on my back, and finished me off with a blow job. After he finished me off, he said he could cum again, and asked if he could stand on the bed, while I laid back since he wanted to shoot all over me. So he then came again, all over my chest and abs. That's 22 years old for you! Great first erotic massage experience with an expert masseur....and an expert tongue!

The tipping culture in America is out of control. We feel obligated to tip for everything. For someone working out of his home or coming to you, tip or don’t tip—it’s up to you and should not be expected. If a masseur expects a tip on top of his fee in this type of direct booking session, I don’t go to that masseur. I don’t believe in upswell during the massage either. Others may be ok with that. I just don’t book those people. I think an extra 10 or 20 to show appreciation for an outstanding session is a nice way to say thank you. Honestly, the guys who are really in this because they enjoy providing this service are probably most happy to have a client who is a regular, just pays and doesn’t complain or negotiate over a couple of bucks, is clean and sane, and is respectful.