Decatur Guy

I agree. Because if typical good looks (and I realize tastes vary widely) were the main entry point, more people would be doing it. I wish some of these men would give a whirl though!

I commute through a college campus to work and I generally see no fewer than a dozen each day who would make a killing as providers. It makes me wonder why there aren't actually more guys doing this line of work. I realize that the vast majority of guys are straight and probably just couldn't go our way. Then there are the few straight guys, bi guys and gay guys who can, but just don't want to for various reasons: Their personal morality code, fear of the law or of diseases or both -- and most likely of all, they just can't get into the client base (generally older and not as good looking) enough to get aroused and give it a go. Straight or gay or in between, really good looking people tend to go for each other. But even accounting for all those hurdles, you'd think more of these guys would want to give it whirl, at least in the "you-can-service-me" sector. For every hot guy who would even try it, I bet there are 999 who wouldn't. I guess it really takes a special person to be a successful, long-term provider. No wonder they command premium money when you think about it. They do something few people can do or are willing to do. But based on just physical attributes, there are a ton of hot guys who could fill the bill if they wanted to.

I'd be wary. Seems like he's not even sure what he's offering or about. Ad has almost no info.

I prefer regulars as well. Not only for ease of communication but also for enhanced experience. However there's a certain amount of texting that even regulars have to do: establishment of time. And I find even my regulars need address reminders in a large city.

LOL. I'd imagine that's a typical scenario for most of us in an all-text exchange with a first-time provider. I'd prefer a phone call the first time. But a lot of younger people especially don't like to talk on the phone in any circumstance. To me, it's a great way to settle most of the details. And then I'll always text the address and parking details. But if a provider doesn't want to ever speak, then I don't know how to avoid the scenario above. Everything in there is something you need to know before meeting. I don't understand how the folks who categorize that as "endless texting" ever manage to meet with anyone.

AMEN!

On a first meeting with no phone call? Yes sir it takes some texts: 1. Hello. Is this John Doe? I got your number off your online advertisement. [I do not launch into anything until I confirm I've got the right number and right person] reply / if he affirms I have the right number ... 3. Oh good. Glad it's you. Hope you're doing well today. Great ad and pics. Can you share with me your in and out rates? reply / if the rates are within my range ... 5. Thank you. I can swing that rate of $ ______. My schedule is free tonight after 7. Would you happen to be free? I know it's short notice, but just in case ... reply / he says he's not free tonight but is tomorrow night. 7. Oh, that will work, too. I prefer to host but I can also travel. I see you're visiting. What general area are you located in? I'm downtown. reply / says where he's located and says he can travel. 9. Oh good! You're staying just a couple of miles from me. I am located across the street from _______ (well-known landmark) if you're familiar with that. reply / says he is 11. Are you cool with receiving oral and topping? And a one-hour session? That's generally what I do first meeting. (I try to keep the sexual down to a bare minimum but I at least want to establish this much if we're not going to talk on the phone. Ads don't always reflect accurate expectations.) reply / Says yes, loves both. One hour good. 13. Great. Here's my exact address. ______________. I'll need to come down to let you into the building. reply / He asks about parking 15 and 16. I reply with parking details, which are complicated where I live, so two texts on that. If I expect a bad parking situation, I may generally propose Uber and offer to pay for it. reply / confirming he's got parking details and how to get to door of apartment building. 18. "Wonderful. I'll see you at 7 tomorrow night at ___________. I'll check in tomorrow afternoon to reconfirm appt." reply / thanks me. NEXT DAY SIX HOURS AHEAD OF APPT. 20. Hey. It's _______ from yesterday. Just wanted you to know I'm still on for meeting at 7 tonight at __________ (my address). I have condoms and lube but feel free to bring your own if you prefer. Are you OK with poppers being here? reply / He's still on too and OK with poppers. 22. Please let me know when you're on your way and then just before you arrive so I can go down to let you in. reply / OK 20 MINUTES BEFORE APPOINTMENT 23. "Hey. OTW." 24. Great. When you're close, let me know again. I'll be standing in front of the door in a blue T-shirt, gray shorts and I have short gray hair. 25. Got it. 30 MINUTES LATER, BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE ALMOST ALWAYS LATE OR GET LOST. 26. Five minutes out. 27. Great. I'll be down to meet you. ON SIDEWALK 28. Hey ... I see you. And then I see guy approaching me half a block away. 29. That's me. And I walk up to greet him. And thus ends the texting. That took almost 30 texts between us and that was each exchange moving the conversation forward with no hiccups. I see nothing unreasonable about this at all. A lot of that could be bypassed in a phone call. But if someone wants to meet me for the first time at my inner city apartment building, this is almost the MINIMUM number of texts it takes to establish that I: A) Have right number and person B) Learn the rates and can pay them C) Establish time to meet D) Establish where to meet E) Get/give details on how to get there or him coming here F) A very brief exchange on what to expect (ads don't always cover it all) G) Supplies and poppers situation H) Confirmations Every single one of those items are important to a successful meet up. And you must first establish some points before getting to others. I'm not giving out my address and parking intel before I confirm rates, time and place. Now after the first meeting, you can eliminate at least half of those. If someone finds all that too much, that someone can pick up the phone and talk or find a less reliable, less detailed client. Skipping any information above for the sake of text brevity is what leads to all the posts on here about complaining about people being lost, being really late, sending bad directions, misunderstandings about payments, misunderstandings about offerings and expectations. I'd rather err on the side of over communicating than under communicating. If a first-time provider doesn't want to establish some of these things on a phone call (which I vastly prefer as it takes so much less time and establishes chemistry) and finds that many texts too tedious, then we wouldn't have been a good match. Tell me, how would you connect for the first time on text with a new provider who won't take phone calls and condense that necessary information down to fewer texts? Which points of information would you leave out?

Never been with him, but I'd definitely try a spin with him even though his screen name is rather off-putting. Why can't these guys come up with actual names as at least part of their online name?

Don't want 20 or 25 texts for a first-time connection? Let's talk on the phone for five minutes. That will speed things along -- and help establish chemistry. I'm not sure what constitutes "endless texting," but I can't get that all that wrapped up in a few back and forths. A lot of younger providers in particular undercommunicate. If someone is going beyond 20 to 25 texts, yeah -- increasingly that's a sign they are stringing you along. Personally, I hate texting beyond a few back and forths. But so many providers are INSISTENT on only texting. If a provider insists on texting, and it's our first time, get ready for more than a few texts or get ready to lose a new client. Even a well-written ad can't cover all the things that need to be nailed down: Time to meet, where to meet, potential parking instructions, who has the lube/condoms (or not), what I look like, confirmation I'm keeping appointment, confirmation I'm on the way, etc. And yes, a little bit about expectations on what we both enjoy. A list on RM doesn't always cover it all in one fell swoop. Rimming. What does that mean? Give or get or both? See what I mean?

I'm thinking of retiring to a quieter, less expensive place. But one drawback is being away from a good hiring area. Although I'm not sure that alone would stop me. But it is a checkmark in the "con" column.

Nothing beats one to three good go-to guys.

There's nothing wrong in raising your rates. These are inflationary times. Just know that some clients -- current or prospective -- may be in jobs or situations where they haven't gotten raises at the percentage you might be raising your rates. You might price yourself out of reach of some people. For instance, I've gotten one raise since 2017. For various valid reasons, I've stayed in the job anyway. I've seen the average provider rate go from about $250 an hour to $350 an hour in my area in just the past few years. That's 40%. Meanwhile, my one-time raise in six years was 28% about a year ago. Naturally, I've had to curtail and turn down people who quote $400 or more or even $350 an hour at times. One thing I do is I hire the guy who continues to charge $280 the most often by far. We've never discussed it, but I think he realizes that I'm steadier with the calls because of the lower rate. In general, I think providers (in my area at least) are outpacing others in wage inflation. That's going to sometimes cost providers some business.

Sometimes I scroll through RM providers in New York City, Las Vegas, Miami, Los Angeles or Toronto, and I get "City Envy" for the people who live there. So many great options. But the city I envy the most in London. Man oh man! While London is just a great trip in general, I'd really like to partake of its RM offerings at some point in life. Do you ever get City Envy, and which city or cities do you think has a great slate of providers?

Here's where I stand as client and this is my general routine/perspective: I like to have a little bit of pot before the session starts and have poppers during the session (if I'm bottoming or even deep throating). I will ask the provider if it's OK if I do poppers during the session. Usually they say yes. A few say no, and I respect that. I realize that for some people, the smell is too much even if it's not right on their nose. I won't inflict that on them if it bothers them. If they have really large dicks, I'll usually back out of the anal part, see if they'll bottom or back out of the appointment altogether. (That's rarely happened). If the dicks are just above average or average, I can take the fuck without them. And I'll add here I skipped poppers on Andrew Justice's request once and took a medium-hard fuck from his big dick and lived to tell about it! So it's doable. And I'll ask if it's OK if I do pot if I'm doing it during the session, and I'll offer to share. If the provider prefers I not do the pot, then I don't. Usually they join me in the pot if I do it at the start. I don't bring up pot if I'm doing it before we meet and it's put away. I don't do enough to affect basic polite behavior. I just find it relaxes me, puts me in the mood and makes my lips more attuned to a dick. I've pretty well quit drinking. I used to keep some beer and liquor on hand to offer providers. I've quit doing that but more out of laziness and dropping the buying habit than any opposition to someone having a drink or two at the start. Plus my regular providers rarely want anything more than water. I offer tops Cialis if they want to take one or two when they first arrive. About half say yes. I don't PNP with hard drugs. I don't want to get with a provider who is doing it during the session or just beforehand. If the provider does it afterward or well before, I consider that his business, not mine. I have hired people at times who list PNP as an "into" or mention it once in their ad. I'm not 100% consistent on that. A lot depends on gut feeling, the overall vibe of ad and contact and frankly just how horny I am. If the interest seems passing or they are more of "OK if you do," there's a chance I might hire the person even though I'd rather not see the PNP on there at all. I find that straight men are more likely to want to PNP. I've never had a truly bad incident as in things spinning out of control, but I have had a few times when the hard drug use by the provider beforehand definitely dampened the entire session. I don't rehire in those cases. I once had a regular who contacted me at my place zonked out of his mind after a bad PNP session. Because I knew him over a period of time and like him, I got him some help that day but wouldn't let him inside my place. He cleaned up his act, he apologized a few months later and we went on to several more very hot sessions before he dropped out the business. If There's some provider who does sTuff jusT like This wiTh capiTal T's all over The place, I don'T conTacT That guy To sTarT wiTh. ThaT's jusT asking for Trouble.

It's rather chickenshit and unprofessional to ghost/block you. But otherwise, be glad you didn't spend over a thousand dollars to find out they aren't into you. Better your ego get bruised than your wallet take a pounding.

In Atlanta, out-of-towners often charging $350 an hour. In-towners are more $300 to $350. But I still find. a few $250 to $300.

The meeting was held. And I was impressed. Definitely put me in the "do see him" column. He's friendly, sexy and even better looking than his pictures. Gorgeous eyes.

I am seeing him in an hour so I'll report back how it goes.

I see these as the building blocks of a good ad, though these are flexible suggestions depending on the provider and what kind of clients he wishes to attract (mostly geared to RentMen): PHOTOS: I'd say around 12 to 18 ideally. Make each picture count. Suggested breakdown: Face (if you're willing to put your face out there at all): 3 pics, with at least one smiling. Clothes shots: 4 pics, ideally one or two really nice clothes. A must if you're courting really high-end clients. Then a couple in casual wear. Shirtless: 1 or 2 shirtless shots with just shorts or underwear Tourist/outdoors: 1 or 2 shots in an outdoor/natural/tourist setting Underwear: 1 to 3 HOT underwear pics that give a hint but keep mystery Nudes: 6 or so nudes. Emphasize dick if a top or top/vers. Ass if bottom or bottom/vers. Equal amount if both. But even tops should give a butt shot or two. And reverse for bottoms. Rotate new pics in every 9 to 18 months. I'm OK with seeing a few pics from three or four years ago, but most of them should be relatively recent. Some pro/studio work is fine, but I'd like to see a few amateur ones, too. Don't do 100% selfies. Get someone to take some for you even if you don't get a pro. Some clients might be glad to help with that. VIDEO: Always nice if you have a few. It's always good to see a top in top action or a bottom in bottom action or a verse in both, if they're available. Very few people do this -- I guess for privacy reason -- but a one-minute intro voice video is a huge seller for me. But I realize that isn't a big thing for a variety of reasons. TEXT OF AD: Ideally, it's at least 150 words. These really short ones don't work well. Even if reading between the lines, possible clients should have a decent idea what you're about. Be straightforward and friendly. I really dislike not knowing if it's just massage or massage and more or just more. The ad should be in full sentences and spelling and grammar count. If someone has English as a second language, say so. A decent client will be understanding. Be truthful to the stats and change them as needed. Set a friendly and professional tone in the ad. It's fine to set few stipulations but don't get carried away with that. In the "likes" area, don't go wild there. Just check the ones you really like. If you're a total top or total bottom, just say so. It might cull the client list, but it will save time. AND sometimes that's a turnon to the remaining clients. A listing of "versatile" should truly be that. Use the #hashtags to good advantage with common words and spellings. Here's a possible ad that hits some of those notes above. Just change the details as needed: Hello and thank you for looking over my ad. I was raised in the desert Southwest but make New York City my home base now. I can do only outcalls in New York City, but I can do in and out while traveling. I am available for weekends and overnights with advanced notice. While I prefer a day's notice for hourly sessions, I can sometimes meet for day-of appointments. I'm a versatile top with a very strong preference for topping (but open to the right pitch for bottoming). I specialize in what I call the "aggressive BF experience" but I can go rougher or more gentle depending on what you like. You let me know and we go from there. Like to worship a man's feet? Head to the front of the line! I come from Hispanic heritage and speak some Spanish, but it's not my first language. I enjoy traveling, jogging and pasta is my food weakness. I present and expect clean hygiene. Payment is for time only and can be cash or _________. I can reply to RM messenger, but I might be faster with text. After we've established contact, I can usually do a brief phone call, especially when meeting for the first time. I enjoy all types of men, so don't be shy. I have 8 solid, uncut reasons why we should meet up, and you'll enjoy taking each one of them under advisement! I'll arrive with a smile and hope to leave you with one. __________________ Anyway, I hope some of that is helpful.

Client POV: First of all, it's great you ask clients their perspective. That puts you way ahead of the game of many providers. I was definitely nervous the first few times I did hiring. But I wasn't a newbie to gay sex, so that helped a lot. I guess I had a drink or two to relax, thinking back on it (don't drink now). But just enough for a buzz. I don't like to be too far gone for an encounter like that. I still get nervous sometimes meeting someone for the first time, especially if he isn't reviewed or is a particularly large guy (body size or cock size). But the nerves are just standard -- they don't interfere with the session. Sometimes I've had providers who were nervous, and I just try to make them feel unthreatened and take things at an easy-going pace.

Two current favorites in Atlanta. I'd suggest either one of them for people who enjoy a good top. I have a couple more guys who could develop into regulars/favorites, but they've got to show some staying power first. I meet some pretty cool guys at times who do this a month or two then vanish. DereksVisiting - Pornstar Performer, Rentboy, Gay Massage in Atlanta, GA | RentMen RENTMEN.EU Pornstar Performer & Rentboy in Atlanta, GA - DereksVisiting: Handsome Latino-Asian Guy And JaySawyer - Pornstar Performer, Rentboy, Gay Massage in Atlanta, GA | RentMen RENTMEN.EU Pornstar Performer & Rentboy in Atlanta, GA - JaySawyer: Let The Good Times Roll

Thank you. I was trying his current name.

I've done a search, and I don't see any threads on this guy. Seems like a great guy to me. Any experiences? He's based in NYC but visiting in ATL. StephenVersTop - Pornstar Performer, Rentboy, Gay Massage in Atlanta, GA | RentMen RENTMEN.EU Pornstar Performer & Rentboy in Atlanta, GA - StephenVersTop: Young 🔥 passionate 🔥masculine...

I have had friendship feelings for several providers, but that's about it. I have no idea if even that's truly reciprocated or not. I wouldn't expect anything beyond that.

Isn't this going to be concern for any person you hire, not just this one guy? I'm mean, they're in the business of having sex. If PREP doesn't allay your concerns, see if a condom is possible. If not, take a pass and find someone who will wear one.