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Occasional reacted to + Jamie21 in New Study: Big Dicks Prefer Men WithTight Assholes
It’s like wearing loose fit jeans rather than skinny jeans.
Yes they fill the inside with hormones that make you want to buy them dinner, new clothes and undertake DIY tasks. Best to stick to using the ass.
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Occasional reacted to + JamesB in Realizing you recognize your date from "content"/provider ad
Are you sure the urge to disclose isn’t coming from a less flattering place? He wronged you by taking your money, and even if it’s unconscious, there’s a real risk that this disclosure is about moral positioning, controlling the narrative, or preemptively absolving yourself.
Ask yourself this: if no money had changed hands, would the same urgency still be there? If the answer is no, then this isn’t really about transparency. It’s about discomfort with unresolved moral business.
Just make sure you’re not telling yourself a cleaner story than the one that’s actually driving the impulse.
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Occasional reacted to + KensingtonHomo in Researching a new masseur (rant)
Okay, I generally leave reviews, though my usernames do not match. I do find it odd to be approached by another client via RMass for two reasons. 1) the degree of anonymity is even higher than here or RMen (where you can at least see each other's profiles), and 2) I've left my review. What else do you want to know?
I've noticed one member here has a note in his signature that if he's reviewed someone, that's all you're getting, and don't DM him. I kind of understand where he's coming from. While I generally have a great memory, if I've only seen someone once or twice three years ago, I likely don't have much to add. I don't mind very specific questions, like does he kiss? But I'm not going to give a blow-by-blow (pun intended) run down of my experiences. It feels like I'm writing erotica.
Lastly, the best we can get from this forum is whether a provider treats clients with respect, honors their prices, and matches their photos. All of that also indicates this provider is safe. But chemistry is unpredictable and I often feel like I'm being asked to reassure someone that they're going to have a good experience.
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Occasional reacted to Mark_fl in Going rates? (And other first timer questions)
"I'm sure you're worth it, but that's out of my price range." is what I've said and nobody seemed offended.
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Occasional reacted to + 7829V in Need advice
If I cancel just a few hours before the meeting, I’ll pay the fee. That feels fair.
But if I cancel days in advance, I don’t feel the need to pay it. That’s plenty of time for them to book someone else.
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Occasional reacted to jeezifonly in 2 favorites in same city - attempt a 4-hand with both?
Can't know if you don't ask. They may indeed know of one another.
Having hired 4Hands twice, both with regular collaborators over a table, the two minds were less in sync than I expected, resulting in some conflicting sensations from different areas where they worked. If you have high expectations for each of these faves as a solo exchange, be prepared accept the dilution of those expectations in the actual session. An awful lot is reliant on 1st time 3-way chemistry. Good luck!
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Occasional reacted to Simon Suraci in Blocked on RM but don't really care...
Ok, I think I understand. You are being proactive by reaching out to clients you see viewing your profile. You are using the profile view alerts as a defacto checklist of people to reach out to. Every one of the people you spend time reaching out to is, in your mind a bit of wasted energy if the client doesn’t respond. You conclude from this one way interaction that the client must not be serious. I encourage you to reevaluate your approach. Let me explain.
I read mixed opinions on Company of Men about providers reaching out “cold” to prospective clients viewing their profiles. Some find the messages annoying, invasive, or unwelcome. Others find it a refreshing way to break the ice. Some are not paying attention to their message inboxes at all. A few people need a little encouragement to warm up to contacting you for real. Maybe they are shy, unsure, or less confident. In these cases it helps. But you never know who is on the other side of the screen, their temperament, or why they are there.
Others are simply window shopping. If every store clerk ran out of their store onto the street saying the customer glancing into their display should buy something, I see how that would be offputting. Not everyone is ready to buy. They are often comparing products and services before they choose to engage. Maybe they don’t have the funds right now, but shopping gives them a thrill, helps them indulge a fantasy without wasting a store clerk’s time. Maybe after the next paycheck, promotion, or period of savings they will gather the money and decide to splurge on you.
Not responding to your message doesn’t mean they are necessarily unserious. It could mean a lot of things like they are not paying attention. Or they hold the view that they are not obligated to respond to every marketing message they receive. A reasonable view, in my opinion. Or they want to hold off engaging until they actually are serious and ready to book an appointment. Lots of people looking at you are not ready to book right then and there.
I get clients who have kept an eye on me for years and only much later reach out saying something to this effect. Had I blocked them, I would certainly miss out on their business. And guess what? These clients are even more engaged and excited to see me when they actually do book. They are really good clients.
I, like you, engage in some proactive client outreach, but I am a bit more strategic about it. Instead of messaging every client that clicks on my profile, I make selections regarding who I want to spend time reaching out to. For me, I’ve found that it helps to engage with clients on something personal to them. For example, a client listing a specific kink or fantasy or type of guy or scene he is into, I will point this out saying how I would be a good match for xyz. Or that I would enjoy seeing them for some abc reason that genuinely resonates with me. These are the types of messages clients like to respond to. They feel seen, heard, and that you really care. And hopefully you do really care.
Most clients don’t fill out their profile information. So I skim over the vast majority of alerts because I can’t really personalize my message to these people. It would land as well as a cold fish to their face. And yet some of them are so polite and considerate that they respond anyway, because they feel obligated, even though they are not ready to book, or only have a slight interest. Then we both feel obliged to keep messaging out of politeness when it’s really a waste of time for both client and provider. Some clients skip this hassle altogether by choosing to not respond. I can’t blame them.
I might send more of these proactive messages when I am traveling and see interest from those places I am going. Maybe not every person that views my profile, but more particularly those I notice are repeatedly viewing my profile. It’s a hint that they are considering more seriously whether they want to hire me. Not always, but usually. I might mention I will be in their city during certain dates, thank them for checking me out, and mention I am happy to answer any questions.
Many of them never respond, and it doesn’t bother me. Some do respond, however, and it helps break the ice. A few of those people do eventually book. My reason for outreach in this case is to call attention to the limited window for them to book me while I am in their city. That is a good reason to reach out, however impersonal it may be.
My point is to be more selective about who you reach out to and why. It will cost you less time and energy narrowing down your list and not feeling the need to compose a message to every profile viewer. Spending less of your energy leads to less resentment, and you have more energy to respond to the “hot” messages you receive, from potentially more serious, ready-to-book-soon clients. The longer you work this business, the easier it is to skim past the alerts and filter them mentally. Some of us turn off the alerts because we don’t want to spend the time or energy sifting through them. I do, but it is work, and not everyone wants to spend the energy.
It’s not a binary. People are complicated. They don’t all fall into strict ‘serious’ and ‘unserious’ client categories. And it doesn’t really benefit you to put them into those categories and then block whoever you assume is unserious based on something as benign as a non-response.
Does any of this make sense?
I hope it helps you. I want my fellow providers to succeed. These are just my opinions and you don’t need to take it as gospel, but it is intended to help guys like you reading this. Clients here have shared a lot of wisdom. I hope you take it to heart, for your own sake, to improve your business.
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Occasional reacted to pubic_assistance in Are subsequent sessions different?
Even after thousands of sexual encounters I still prefer to let things flow organically on a first meet. Once we've hung-out (and had each other's dick in our mouth), there is an innate camaraderie that follows. This afterglow moment is when its easier to discuss sexual interests/fantasies and preferences. Setting up the potential for a more customized encounter next time.
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Occasional reacted to HockeyMan in How to keep emotions out....
Hiring a provider is an emotional, intimate experience. But it's different from spending time with friends, family and romantic partners. You don't pay a provider to spend time with you; you pay him to leave. It's a transactional relationship. Embrace it.
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Occasional reacted to LuckyLechon in How to keep emotions out....
Great advice. It should be a bonus in your life, not the main part of it. Have a fulfilling life outside of hiring and if you don’t have one, work toward one. I don’t even mean a social life, I mean hobbies, goals/aspirations to work toward, the gym, anything you can be passionate about.
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Occasional got a reaction from + Charlie in How to communicate dominance levels to provider?
I would extend that to read "explicitly say otherwise outside the current session . That is, your hard limits can't be breached - even by you - on the spur of the moment in the excitement of it all.
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Occasional reacted to + FrankR in Getting ghosted by a regular.
The first step in solving a problem, is recognizing there is one.
You appear to be defining your self worth by how others interact with you. Have you considered making this a year of self care?
Providers have their own lives and drama - his lack of response may have nothing to do with you.
Move on to bigger and better things.
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Occasional reacted to TMB in RentMasseur Review Backlash
Hey all. Just a (hopefully) quick update to "As the Provider Turns". I was planning to meet up with him on Monday but this morning I found a text from him overnight saying it was bothering him so much that he was not able to sleep. We texted for a bit but it was clear that he was just never going to let it go. Claims it's not that he caught feelings. To me, it appears he's taking my lack of paying him the same rate as the other guy as a testament to his worth or something. It was clear nothing I could do or say would move him off it so I just said this behavior is making impossible for me to feel comfortable with him again, so we're done.
Thanks again to all for your feedback and advice. Clearly, the solution was to tell him to take a hike after offering to pay him more wasn't enough to get him to let it go.
Losing a regular client over $40/hr. Maybe he should find another gig.
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Occasional reacted to ICTJOCK in Anybody else fall for the men they hire?
As a provider, I'm certainly aware that several of my regular clients have some degree of emotional attachment. I'm a professional person by nature (and via regular career), so it can be an interesting "tightrope" to walk to do a job, be balanced and logical and provide a very personal service. Think about it, it really is a contrast and to navagate it appropriately can require talent. I am not into drama, I'm there to provide a positive service that means something to the recipient.
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Occasional reacted to + ApexNomad in Anybody else fall for the men they hire?
Yes, twice.
First, I sought the services of a provider after my college boyfriend committed suicide. I lost my virginity to this provider. He knew it was my first time but didn’t know the story about my boyfriend. I can’t overstate how amazing this man was and the gift he gave me. Of course, I “fell in love” with him, thinking this older man was the solution to all my problems. I wanted to see him again, but he had the wherewithal and wisdom to say no. Instead, he gave me the greatest thing he could have ever given me—his friendship. Not just as an acquaintance, but a real, true friendship. This man helped me in ways I can’t describe, taught me things, and truly cared for me. He was right.
The second time was with a provider who quickly became a regular. It started as a comedy of errors—wrong hotel, giggles during sex, missed cues, shared laughs, and unexpected common interests. From the moment he walked in, this man made me feel at ease in seconds. He was insanely charming, funny, kind, and smart. Our sessions always went over—2 hours turned into several, several turned into overnights. He always looked uncomfortable taking my money. I’d leave it in an envelope on the stand, and he’d leave without taking it. I’d run out to hand it to him. Many times, he denied his fee, which left me feeling at odds and completely confused. When he refused his fee, I insisted it was his tip. I never had this problem before and wasn’t sure how to handle it.
One day, almost a year in and countless, deep conversations and personal stories later, he asked if I wanted to see a movie or have dinner if I wasn’t busy. I looked at him stunned. When I didn’t respond, he rattled off in his very funny, yet serious way other alternatives if I didn’t want to do that, like go on a museum tour, hop on the Staten Island Ferry and view the Statue of Liberty, or get a caricature drawing in Central Park. I laughed. I should have taken that opening to really understand what this was, but when he then said, “Let’s go, it’ll be fun. We’ll go as friends,” I thought, okay, friends. I said yes.
We ended up doing the caricature drawing in Central Park, followed by dinner. We went back to his apartment. We had sex, and when I say it was different, it was so different. When it was over, he looked at me. My heart was pounding. I knew in that moment I was in love with this man, but I didn’t say it out loud. I couldn’t speak. He didn’t say anything either. He just rested his forehead against mine, and we held each other in silence.
After that night, I made the fatal error once more of not speaking to him and asking what this was and expressing to him how I felt. Instead, I said my firm was having a summer retreat, and I’d like to bring him as my plus one. And that I’d pay him. He said I didn’t have to pay him, but I insisted. He agreed.
We went. It was the usual, obnoxious affair. Everyone was more interested in him than anything else. He was amazing. Charming as fuck. We separated a few times. I got pulled into different directions. He kept his eyes glued to me the entire time. I walked back up to him and said something I wish I could take back. I realized it the moment the words came out of my mouth. I said, “You fit right in. I knew you would. A lot of money to be made here. See anyone that catches your eye?”
He turned and looked at me like I punched him in the face. He was silent for a long time. He said, “Yeah, a few.”
When we got back to the hotel, I immediately apologized and said I never meant to hurt him. He was a proud man, deeply proud—his family had instilled that in him. His pride wasn’t just about self-respect—it was about being someone you could count on, someone who stood tall. I had wounded that pride, and I could see it in the way he held himself in that moment. I insulted him. And I hurt him.
He said for someone so smart, I could be incredibly clueless. I apologized again. I told him I didn’t understand what was happening and didn’t want to lose this. He grabbed his bag, left the envelope I had given him on the bed, and right before he left, I’ll never forget it - he looked me in the eye and said: “I lied. There was one. Only one.”
Many lessons were drawn from that experience—about myself, my almost methodical business stance on these transactions.
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Occasional reacted to sjmuktop in Is anyone else noticing a drop in escort pricing?
There certainly has not been a drop here in London.
The going rate here is currently £200 and has been for a long while now. I've noticed an uptick in the number of those charging more (£250), but it's still only a small handful. Anything above this is extremely rare (in fact, I have not actually come across any guys exceeding this, ever; they would be narrowing their clientele to such a small niche that they'd be pricing themselves out of the market).
It's actually still not all that uncommon to see guys (and yes, they're still very hot and good at what they do, they're not 'lesser' in any way) charging within the £150 - 190 range. It's not widespread, but you still see it (typically among newer guys).
When you've known an escort for a long time and you've been a regular client of his for a long time, in my experience, he is often (if not usually) happy to charge you a lower rate than he advertises for new clients (the old business custom of rewarding loyalty!)
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Occasional got a reaction from BuzzLiteQueer in When do you consider your client/provider a regular?
When they tell you their real name?
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Occasional reacted to + Jamie21 in Do providers generally appreciate advance booking?
You spelled cock wrong.
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Occasional got a reaction from thomas in When do you consider your client/provider a regular?
When they tell you their real name?
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Occasional reacted to aiseeya in How could we differentiate reality and delusiona
Hard truth is his feeling for you is in an entirely different category than yours to him. As a baseline, his 'feeling' is that of an obligation to deliver service for which he is being compensated for. And as is any business, he is understanbly looking for a repeat customer. Taking further steps, if he deems you as a good customer and you were keen to repeat order, his 'feeling' is that of a preference to work with you (who is a good and a repeat customer) than to work with other customers who might not be as a pleasant. That doesnt meant he has romantic feeling for you but rather you are simply a 'preferred customer'. From his pov, whoever the client is he would be compensated nonetheless - so might as well work with someone who is more pleasant, just like any business out there. When you firmly become his regular (thus generating stable income), he might provide 'above and beyond' services or acts eg off-clock activities or bit lax on cut-off time or jigging his schedule to match yours - his 'feeling' is that of maintaing/ servicing client relationship for his 'preferred client'. As many business would do for their big clients.
A hiring relationship can only, against all odds, become a real romantic relationship if and only if there is absolutely no monies involved.
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Occasional got a reaction from pubic_assistance in When do you consider your client/provider a regular?
When they tell you their real name?
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Occasional got a reaction from AtticusBK in When do you consider your client/provider a regular?
When they tell you their real name?
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Occasional got a reaction from + SidewaysDM in RentMasseur Review Backlash
Were this a real-life personal relationship (as distinct from paid-for provider-client relationship) I would see this as you prematurely jumping to seek to solve the problem rather than initially 'holding space' for the upset party to feel their upset, and you acknowledging that you hear their pain.
The closer and more significant the personal relationship, the more time, effort and energy I would put into the 'holding phase', waiting for the other party to 'move' (e.g. they might 'move' to "I do actually feel that you .. [whatever]").
I'd have no problem expressing sorrow that an uncomfortable situation has arisen - sorrow is an emotion, it's not the same as guilt, not an admission of blame or culpability.
Note that I wrote 'waiting for the other party to 'move'. Not waiting indefinitely under the spell of round-and-round-in-circles attempted guilt-tripping, nor the other party's ramping-up ("the more I think about it, the worse I feel"). And certainly not submitting myself to the dynamic "I feel bad due to you, now it's your job to work out exactly why I feel bad and what you can do about it, then do it, and then I'll likely still feel bad and it'll be your job to .. etc etc".
With a provider, I would cut short the energy and effort that I put into the 'holding space'. Perhaps "I'm sorry you feel like that, perhaps best if I give you space to process it, and we can chat again in a few days". With a regular (only) provider with whom I'd had a good rapport (only), I'd take the initiative to get back in touch after a few days and re-open along the lines "I'm hoping we can get back on track .. what if anything can I do towards that?".
I'd be prepared for (likely) spin-it-out ploys : "I don't know" [response: "well, I'm afraid that I don't either, so it looks as if we [exit-wording]" - "apologise" ("I don't feel I've done anything wrong, so [exit-wording])", etc. OTOH I might hear "really sorry about that, I got triggered due to childhood baggage/ problem with SO / etc, I feel embarrassed, can we put it behind us" or "actually, I came to see it's a donation thing - a discount shouldn't of course mean exclusivity but, even so, can we agree to resume on the basis of my standard fee".
While I enjoy it when there's rapport and good chemistry with providers, I don't 'do' drama and emotional embroilment with them. Which is one of the reasons that I hire.
It's not within your power to make him pick up on, and feel, your positive vibes towards him rather than him choosing (albeit subliminally) to wallow in "I'm hurt, over to you to sort it".
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Occasional got a reaction from TMB in RentMasseur Review Backlash
Were this a real-life personal relationship (as distinct from paid-for provider-client relationship) I would see this as you prematurely jumping to seek to solve the problem rather than initially 'holding space' for the upset party to feel their upset, and you acknowledging that you hear their pain.
The closer and more significant the personal relationship, the more time, effort and energy I would put into the 'holding phase', waiting for the other party to 'move' (e.g. they might 'move' to "I do actually feel that you .. [whatever]").
I'd have no problem expressing sorrow that an uncomfortable situation has arisen - sorrow is an emotion, it's not the same as guilt, not an admission of blame or culpability.
Note that I wrote 'waiting for the other party to 'move'. Not waiting indefinitely under the spell of round-and-round-in-circles attempted guilt-tripping, nor the other party's ramping-up ("the more I think about it, the worse I feel"). And certainly not submitting myself to the dynamic "I feel bad due to you, now it's your job to work out exactly why I feel bad and what you can do about it, then do it, and then I'll likely still feel bad and it'll be your job to .. etc etc".
With a provider, I would cut short the energy and effort that I put into the 'holding space'. Perhaps "I'm sorry you feel like that, perhaps best if I give you space to process it, and we can chat again in a few days". With a regular (only) provider with whom I'd had a good rapport (only), I'd take the initiative to get back in touch after a few days and re-open along the lines "I'm hoping we can get back on track .. what if anything can I do towards that?".
I'd be prepared for (likely) spin-it-out ploys : "I don't know" [response: "well, I'm afraid that I don't either, so it looks as if we [exit-wording]" - "apologise" ("I don't feel I've done anything wrong, so [exit-wording])", etc. OTOH I might hear "really sorry about that, I got triggered due to childhood baggage/ problem with SO / etc, I feel embarrassed, can we put it behind us" or "actually, I came to see it's a donation thing - a discount shouldn't of course mean exclusivity but, even so, can we agree to resume on the basis of my standard fee".
While I enjoy it when there's rapport and good chemistry with providers, I don't 'do' drama and emotional embroilment with them. Which is one of the reasons that I hire.
It's not within your power to make him pick up on, and feel, your positive vibes towards him rather than him choosing (albeit subliminally) to wallow in "I'm hurt, over to you to sort it".