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Could amyone pls explain, as detailed and graphic as possible, what goes on in these parties? 
What m I to expect for my money?

A few weeks ago I posted a question in the '"ask a provider" forum, if that's the place to ask also providers of lapdancing. I was PMed by one; I notified about it in the thread in order to 'close' it; and two guys PMed me asking about what he had to say. So I got his permission to post our dialogue here. Might be useful for naive newbies such as myself.  Any additional guidance wld be appreciated.
 
I intend to lose my lapdance virginity soon. I follow threads about the topic, but m still unclear as to how to behave without being rude or presumptuous on one hand, and being taken for a sucker on the other hand.
How explicit may I b with a dancer in the pre-dance phase? Shld I ask "may I touch u?" "Fondle?" "Grope?" "Jerk?" "Suck?"
"Will u b totally naked?"
Will he b touching me with his hands (beyond dancing moves")? Grope / fondle / jerk / suck ?
Any kissing?
M I alowed to take it out? 
Usually posters write it's up to negotiations, and I guess dancers have prbbly heard everything. However, I like to b respectful and I dont want to b stupid.
 
Different clubs have different basic rules.   Some states allow full nude dancers, some don't - which clubs are you planning on?  
At the most basic, the dancer would be in underwear, grinding on you and with you fully clothed. The dancer can probably touch you but may not - for example I would start with sitting grinding in a guys lap, with my arms on his shoulders.  
So you could just have fun with that to start. 
Its possible to do more, but that depends. For example at one club I can go full nude, but then I can't touch the customer.  At that same club, customers can touch me but not anywhere covered by my underwear.  Some customers don't touch, some put their hands somewhere like my arms and if I guess they want more, I will move their hands to my chest or legs to let them know its OK (or they can ask and I explain the club rules for them) and then let them touch me over my underwear. 
Best way to find out basic rules: A dancer will probably approach and ask you if you want a lap dance - just ask how much, and if they can go full nude, and if they're OK with touching and they'll probably explain rules.  That what I do.  Sometimes I get asked 'are you hard when you're naked' and I say 'yes' because make sure to be erect when I go full nude.  
Its easier to ask about more once you're in private, so that no one can hear if they say yes to more thats beyond the rules.    As a dancer if a customer is buying  multiple dances and their hands are around my underwear, personally I'm OK if slipped their hand in and they grab my cock, but some dancers might not be, you could just move your hands close and ask 'may I' or something like that but probably don't assume they are OK.  I might ask for a tip extra.  
Usually you're not allowed to take yourself out. Never had anyone try with me.  The private areas were somewhat visible and monitored by cameras so I dont think anyone would try it there.   
Asking respectfully is being respectful.  I stood up once off a guys lap and he put me in his mouth and I gently pushed him back to let him know its not OK, but it would have been respectful if he asked first and i could tell him 'no instead of feeling his mouth. Altohugh I was kind of horny so I mostly said 'no' because I didn't want to get in trouble with the club.  
 
I know about clubs rules and about prsnl red lines. If I can get a full answr only after we r alone, that might b too late...
I didnt know the area is monitored, but since it is - how can a dancer "say yes to more that's beyond the rules"? 
I've learned from u: not to take it out; not to expct dncr to grope or fondle me; small chance for sucking; ask evrythng.
 
You could probably ask in the open 'have you ever let a guy touch you' or 'have you ever let a guy suck you' - so you're not even asking for it directly, just seeing what they say. 
 
 

A few weeks ago I posted a question in the '"ask a provider" forum, if that's the place to ask also providers of lapdancing. I was PMed by one; I notified about it in the thread in order to 'close' it; and two guys PMed me asking about what he had to say. So I got his permission to post our dialogue here. Might be useful for naive newbies such as myself.  Any additional guidance wld be appreciated.
 
I intend to lose my lapdance virginity soon. I follow threads about the topic, but m still unclear as to how to behave without being rude or presumptuous on one hand, and being taken for a sucker on the other hand.
How explicit may I b with a dancer in the pre-dance phase? Shld I ask "may I touch u?" "Fondle?" "Grope?" "Jerk?" "Suck?"
"Will u b totally naked?"
Will he b touching me with his hands (beyond dancing moves")? Grope / fondle / jerk / suck ?
Any kissing?
M I alowed to take it out? 
Usually posters write it's up to negotiations, and I guess dancers have prbbly heard everything. However, I like to b respectful and I dont want to b stupid.
 
Different clubs have different basic rules.   Some states allow full nude dancers, some don't - which clubs are you planning on?  
At the most basic, the dancer would be in underwear, grinding on you and with you fully clothed. The dancer can probably touch you but may not - for example I would start with sitting grinding in a guys lap, with my arms on his shoulders.  
So you could just have fun with that to start. 
Its possible to do more, but that depends. For example at one club I can go full nude, but then I can't touch the customer.  At that same club, customers can touch me but not anywhere covered by my underwear.  Some customers don't touch, some put their hands somewhere like my arms and if I guess they want more, I will move their hands to my chest or legs to let them know its OK (or they can ask and I explain the club rules for them) and then let them touch me over my underwear. 
Best way to find out basic rules: A dancer will probably approach and ask you if you want a lap dance - just ask how much, and if they can go full nude, and if they're OK with touching and they'll probably explain rules.  That what I do.  Sometimes I get asked 'are you hard when you're naked' and I say 'yes' because make sure to be erect when I go full nude.  
Its easier to ask about more once you're in private, so that no one can hear if they say yes to more thats beyond the rules.    As a dancer if a customer is buying  multiple dances and their hands are around my underwear, personally I'm OK if slipped their hand in and they grab my cock, but some dancers might not be, you could just move your hands close and ask 'may I' or something like that but probably don't assume they are OK.  I might ask for a tip extra.  
Usually you're not allowed to take yourself out. Never had anyone try with me.  The private areas were somewhat visible and monitored by cameras so I dont think anyone would try it there.   
Asking respectfully is being respectful.  I stood up once off a guys lap and he put me in his mouth and I gently pushed him back to let him know its not OK, but it would have been respectful if he asked first and i could tell him 'no instead of feeling his mouth. Altohugh I was kind of horny so I mostly said 'no' because I didn't want to get in trouble with the club.  
 
I know about clubs rules and about prsnl red lines. If I can get a full answr only after we r alone, that might b too late...
I didnt know the area is monitored, but since it is - how can a dancer "say yes to more that's beyond the rules"? 
I've learned from u: not to take it out; not to expct dncr to grope or fondle me; small chance for sucking; ask evrythng.
 
You could probably ask in the open 'have you ever let a guy touch you' or 'have you ever let a guy suck you' - so you're not even asking for it directly, just seeing what they say. 
 
 

A few weeks ago I posted a question in the '"ask a provider" forum, if that's the place to ask also providers of lapdancing. I was PMed by one; I notified about it in the thread in order to 'close' it; and two guys PMed me asking about what he had to say. So I got his permission to post our dialogue here. Might be useful for naive newbies such as myself.  Any additional guidance wld be appreciated.
 
I intend to lose my lapdance virginity soon. I follow threads about the topic, but m still unclear as to how to behave without being rude or presumptuous on one hand, and being taken for a sucker on the other hand.
How explicit may I b with a dancer in the pre-dance phase? Shld I ask "may I touch u?" "Fondle?" "Grope?" "Jerk?" "Suck?"
"Will u b totally naked?"
Will he b touching me with his hands (beyond dancing moves")? Grope / fondle / jerk / suck ?
Any kissing?
M I alowed to take it out? 
Usually posters write it's up to negotiations, and I guess dancers have prbbly heard everything. However, I like to b respectful and I dont want to b stupid.
 
Different clubs have different basic rules.   Some states allow full nude dancers, some don't - which clubs are you planning on?  
At the most basic, the dancer would be in underwear, grinding on you and with you fully clothed. The dancer can probably touch you but may not - for example I would start with sitting grinding in a guys lap, with my arms on his shoulders.  
So you could just have fun with that to start. 
Its possible to do more, but that depends. For example at one club I can go full nude, but then I can't touch the customer.  At that same club, customers can touch me but not anywhere covered by my underwear.  Some customers don't touch, some put their hands somewhere like my arms and if I guess they want more, I will move their hands to my chest or legs to let them know its OK (or they can ask and I explain the club rules for them) and then let them touch me over my underwear. 
Best way to find out basic rules: A dancer will probably approach and ask you if you want a lap dance - just ask how much, and if they can go full nude, and if they're OK with touching and they'll probably explain rules.  That what I do.  Sometimes I get asked 'are you hard when you're naked' and I say 'yes' because make sure to be erect when I go full nude.  
Its easier to ask about more once you're in private, so that no one can hear if they say yes to more thats beyond the rules.    As a dancer if a customer is buying  multiple dances and their hands are around my underwear, personally I'm OK if slipped their hand in and they grab my cock, but some dancers might not be, you could just move your hands close and ask 'may I' or something like that but probably don't assume they are OK.  I might ask for a tip extra.  
Usually you're not allowed to take yourself out. Never had anyone try with me.  The private areas were somewhat visible and monitored by cameras so I dont think anyone would try it there.   
Asking respectfully is being respectful.  I stood up once off a guys lap and he put me in his mouth and I gently pushed him back to let him know its not OK, but it would have been respectful if he asked first and i could tell him 'no instead of feeling his mouth. Altohugh I was kind of horny so I mostly said 'no' because I didn't want to get in trouble with the club.  
 
I know about clubs rules and about prsnl red lines. If I can get a full answr only after we r alone, that might b too late...
I didnt know the area is monitored, but since it is - how can a dancer "say yes to more that's beyond the rules"? 
I've learned from u: not to take it out; not to expct dncr to grope or fondle me; small chance for sucking; ask evrythng.
 
You could probably ask in the open 'have you ever let a guy touch you' or 'have you ever let a guy suck you' - so you're not even asking for it directly, just seeing what they say. 
 
 

Thanks Mnpls,
So how much do u tip a guy for saying to him "no thnks"?   (-:

Thx 
A dancer PMed me
 

Is this the forum to pose questions to dancers, or is it only for escorts and masseurs?
I didnt c any posts by dancers in the "strip clubs" forum....

No hint, verbally or graphically, of any stripping activity..... 

There's no country in Europe offering any sex scene close to Thailand Brazil Colombia. 
However, which country is the closest or least furthest, in terms of sexy unexpensive youngsters and or of appealing venues?
I've read something about Serbia.....

Unlike Budapest and Bratislava, Vienna seems full of gaysex venues. However, I am staying at the innerstadt; almost all of them r in the gayhood; and I m too lazy and for some reason not enough horny to bother myself going there.
There is one gay sauna close by called Kaiserbrundl. Fee is €22, quite expensive. It looks very impressive from the enterance. The non-sex focus is on special saunas, and there is no hot water jacuzzi or pool. The pool is cold, for after sauna-treatment. I passed.
During 6 days here, I got about 25 messages, evenly split between grindr and romeo. Only one asked for money - €100, very inexpensive.
For those interested, there's a comprehensive online:
www.gayguide.at

Unlike Budapest and Bratislava, Vienna seems full of gaysex venues. However, I am staying at the innerstadt; almost all of them r in the gayhood; and I m too lazy and for some reason not enough horny to bother myself going there.
There is one gay sauna close by called Kaiserbrundl. Fee is €22, quite expensive. It looks very impressive from the enterance. The non-sex focus is on special saunas, and there is no hot water jacuzzi or pool. The pool is cold, for after sauna-treatment. I passed.
During 6 days here, I got about 25 messages, evenly split between grindr and romeo. Only one asked for money - €100, very inexpensive.
For those interested, there's a comprehensive online:
www.gayguide.at

Colton, I think u might get responses if u post this in the strip clubs section.

Saturday 22:30 went to the Dark Eagle bar, which seems to be the only venue here.
€10 for drink + enterance to the basement cruising.
Smallish bar. 12 patrons seating, most of them locals who seemed to know each other. Almost all middle aged.
The basement consisted of a small lounge for porn, and circa 6 small dark rooms. VERY clean.
8 guys walking around. Two pairs in action. 
One relatively youngish who was being sucked blew me for a couple of moments. Then I left.
No complaints, but I won't return.

Saturday 22:30 went to the Dark Eagle bar, which seems to be the only venue here.
€10 for drink + enterance to the basement cruising.
Smallish bar. 12 patrons seating, most of them locals who seemed to know each other. Almost all middle aged.
The basement consisted of a small lounge for porn, and circa 6 small dark rooms. VERY clean.
8 guys walking around. Two pairs in action. 
One relatively youngish who was being sucked blew me for a couple of moments. Then I left.
No complaints, but I won't return.

Two mistakes.
Should have specicified the obvious on this thread: I do mean NYC.
Should have added that I also enjoy GIVING oral pleasure, especially to young men. I guess parties for "young and their elderly admirers" hasn't been invented yet.....   )-:

Hi All,
I visited three times, pre covid of course.
If anyone has been there lately, have things gone back to normal?
Venues, rates, providers, etc. ???
 
Thx

Sir BB,
Sorry about your disappointment; hope it never happens again.
If you ever need tips about touristic activities in places that seem dull, you are welcome to contact me.
Unfortunately, I am more experienced in that than in sex tourism.     )-:

XAF, how's that possible?
Your face was looking down. For his cock to fit there he had to be both rather short AND angling-in his pelvis.....

I do.
One of the things I'd like to do when I meet a provider, is to hear his answers to the following questions:
What are the most funny or bizarre or or creative or scary interactions you have experienced?

Of course it's much cheaper.
I was in Cartagena last month. Guys on Grindr ask for $40 usd. The rare very expesnsive ones want $140.

DO NOT PAY DEPOSITS.
REPEAT: DO NOT PAY DEPOSITS!

DO NOT PAY DEPOSITS.
REPEAT: DO NOT PAY DEPOSITS!

How about having a hole in the middle of the massage board/bed? This would allow for:
1) comfortable space for organs that tend to grow;
2) the masseur slipping a stroke every now and then;
3) two masseurs working simultaneously: one on the back, the other servicing the growth.

Notwithstanding the escort's unacceptable behavior, as a client I always hold (also?) myself responsible for not going overtime. When there's a risk of this happening, I discuss it with the escort 10 minutes before the planned session ends.
 
I'm sorry to say/write this, but I really don't understand how a person doesn't notice that 4 hours are passing by. If it would have happened to me, I'd have paid 400 eur. I probably wouldn't have liked the fact that he didn't hold himself responsible for going overtime (in this case I'm sure he did it on purpose), but he and my feeling of bitterness/resentment don't absolve me from my 'contractual' responsibility/decency.

$5 per minute = $300 per hour.
Isn't it better to pay an escort the same (or les), for full sex in a relaxed setting?