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I’ve heard a recurring narrative from providers of how they once had a bumper year, thought it was going to last forever, and blew through everything and their luck changed (eg their benefactor left town or found someone else).
 

I think the average in my experience has been $300-350 an hour.
There are occasional outliers. The most any one has quoted me for 1 hr time in NYC was $400. The most recent hire I had late last year (in NYC) asked for $400 for 2 hours.

Without seeing / hearing the whole conversation I don’t see what is a lie here.
”I want to book something” isn’t a lie if I don’t end up booking.
”Yes I promise I’ll be there at 2pm on Sunday with a donation of X for Y hours of your time” and then they don’t show up or do but don’t have the donation or expect more than that time - that’s a lie. 
 
Are you saying the only outcome from contact should be setting up an agreement to meet at a certain time and place for specific terms?
If so your expectations from sales outreach are unrealistic. 
 
 

So … 4% conversion (don’t know if you mean just serious leads or paying clients) 
Here are some metrics from sales professionals:
 “out of 100 leads, you can expect 2 to 5 of them to convert into paying customers” 
or this:
“According to a study by Ruler Analytics, the average conversion rate across various industries is approximately 3.2%”
(From Bloomberg Sales Metrics 2023)
Unless you’re saying you have less than 1 in 100 inquiries turning into actual closed sales I’m not sure you’re experiencing anything any sales professional doesn’t in their day to day roles.
I depend on sales for my Income and these numbers look right to me based on my experience. 
   
 
 

It’s just good practice for Thanksgiving 

I agree that there are many nice providers here.

If the attitude shown on this forum is any indication of how some escorts market themselves, it’s easy to see why clients decide not to hire after initial contact.

Interesting that we pay $600-$700 for a couple hours of attention.  It's a very expensive orgasm. 

I don’t have a specific time to wait. I’ll reach out to multiple people as it’s rare I'm looking for a specific person, more looking to fill a specific schedule, and I like to have options. 
Took me a while to realize in the early days that providers don’t have dedicated 24/7 call centers servicing them so I don’t mind the varied response times - as long as we don’t get into the dynamic of them expecting me to be immediately responsive when they choose to engage, and that it should turn into a booking no matter what. 
If any only reply after I’ve made other plans, I’ll either politely decline or say now won’t work maybe later (and if they show fury at that, they go on the crossed out list). And if they’re reasonable I may even engage a little with full disclosure I’m getting info for the next time and it saves back and forth if there is a next time.
 
 

Yup wouldn’t really fly in New York or San Francisco but it might in some rural areas or states (or countries).
 
 

To some cops, all gay men fall into the "specific individuals" category. Especially in the red states where they do it.
It's no different than when cops raided gay bars. They just find another justification to get rid of gays.

No individual can determine whether something is “too” expensive - the market does a fine job of that. If supply (of what you’re offering and at what price) has insufficient demand - it’s too expensive. if on the other hand you are turning people away you’re likely underpriced and the market will welcome you raising prices and making a fine profit. 
 
Whether or not you make ends meet (and then some) has nothing to do with what a client will be willing to pay. If you have financial goals unmet with what you’re doing, you need to reevaluate those choices as many of us likely have had to do.

Bingo 
Which of us has not complained about our jobs to someone at some point, including about compensation, even though most of us wouldn’t trade the security of a paycheck without a backstop or real probability of a better alternative. 

No individual can determine whether something is “too” expensive - the market does a fine job of that. If supply (of what you’re offering and at what price) has insufficient demand - it’s too expensive. if on the other hand you are turning people away you’re likely underpriced and the market will welcome you raising prices and making a fine profit. 
 
Whether or not you make ends meet (and then some) has nothing to do with what a client will be willing to pay. If you have financial goals unmet with what you’re doing, you need to reevaluate those choices as many of us likely have had to do.

Providers aren’t always the most rational or strategic. Though I can see someone interpreting a “no” as “I didn't actually enjoy our session” and so determining you’re no longer a realistic prospect worth cultivating.
Not unlike the online hookup world where the etiquette seems to encourage ending on a positive note but it being acceptable to ghost / block the minute you walk out the door. 
Later in the month isn’t odd. I’ve even had providers reach out for later the same day if I’ve indicated I’ve enjoyed the experience - I don’t think they’re assuming you’re made of money as much as trying to monetize an apparently positive experience. 

I like the talk too. One of my selection criteria is if a provider seems they can engage. Which is why the act that many put on at the negotiation stage of one word grunts or “I’m too busy to even talk to you” is a turn off beyond the immediate physical aspect.

I don’t have a specific time to wait. I’ll reach out to multiple people as it’s rare I'm looking for a specific person, more looking to fill a specific schedule, and I like to have options. 
Took me a while to realize in the early days that providers don’t have dedicated 24/7 call centers servicing them so I don’t mind the varied response times - as long as we don’t get into the dynamic of them expecting me to be immediately responsive when they choose to engage, and that it should turn into a booking no matter what. 
If any only reply after I’ve made other plans, I’ll either politely decline or say now won’t work maybe later (and if they show fury at that, they go on the crossed out list). And if they’re reasonable I may even engage a little with full disclosure I’m getting info for the next time and it saves back and forth if there is a next time.
 
 

I don’t have a specific time to wait. I’ll reach out to multiple people as it’s rare I'm looking for a specific person, more looking to fill a specific schedule, and I like to have options. 
Took me a while to realize in the early days that providers don’t have dedicated 24/7 call centers servicing them so I don’t mind the varied response times - as long as we don’t get into the dynamic of them expecting me to be immediately responsive when they choose to engage, and that it should turn into a booking no matter what. 
If any only reply after I’ve made other plans, I’ll either politely decline or say now won’t work maybe later (and if they show fury at that, they go on the crossed out list). And if they’re reasonable I may even engage a little with full disclosure I’m getting info for the next time and it saves back and forth if there is a next time.
 
 

No individual can determine whether something is “too” expensive - the market does a fine job of that. If supply (of what you’re offering and at what price) has insufficient demand - it’s too expensive. if on the other hand you are turning people away you’re likely underpriced and the market will welcome you raising prices and making a fine profit. 
 
Whether or not you make ends meet (and then some) has nothing to do with what a client will be willing to pay. If you have financial goals unmet with what you’re doing, you need to reevaluate those choices as many of us likely have had to do.

The upsell usually comes from those who also blow any chance of additional or future work through their attitude during the current session.
One minute pretending like you can’t wait to be rid of me (texting etc) the next minute telling me about all the wonderful things that await if I extend or rebook, all while looking at your watch 
 

Providers like this need to be “outed” - with the ability for them to defend themselves of course which is why forums like this are good. At some point if what you say is accurate this becomes akin to extortion, preying on client fears for safety, discretion etc - would help to know who he is if you’re comfortable sharing. 
The few times I’ve tried to leave without fully paying a donation for reasons I consider fully justified, it’s turned ugly; the most disengaged / high / drunk / entitled / narcissistic (etc etc) provider still wants his cash at the end of the day.  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Save money. Buy a blow-up doll.

In my position I would have come straight to the point as soon as it became clear he wasn't interested by asking "Be honest, I'm boring you aren't I?".

Are you advised of every RM sting operation?

It depends on how far in advance it is.
However, usually, if a provider doesn't answer within 24 hours, they're never going to answer. And I'm not going to keep begging anyone with additional texts.
If I'm doing right-now hiring, I only give them 30 minutes. I've had to tell more than one potential provider that they took too long to get back, so I already hired a replacement. Plenty of fish in the RM sea.