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More than one provider has told me they like having a roommate present or nearby for security especially when with a first time client. 

I’ve always suspected some disclose beforehand to dangle a potential add-on to be paid for - on one occasion (late at night, pouring with rain etc) after the provider had exhausted all attempts to get me to contribute towards his friends time since he had no plans of his own that night - he was thrown in for free (studio apartment, nowhere for him to go apparently) - he didn’t really add anything and was a distraction mostly

It was a surprise to me the first time a provider came as i always thought they’d be relieved to be able to save it for the next client. I didn’t know about Trimix etc at the time. 

I’ve had providers even act resentful if I didn’t allow them the opportunity or help them along the way (again a surprise, since I’ve always assumed providers don’t really get turned on by clients). 

So far so good, surprisingly hot.

The one area I have a problem with all this is when providers have sometimes used the “I need to get off” motif to extend time beyond what has been agreed - which would be fine (assuming I had the time … the assumption is always providers’ time is so valuable and clients abuse this) except it also often comes with a price tag. If a provider needs to come (and some have said they prefer to, allows them a clean break mentally and physically to whatever they have going on after a client leaves) then they should either plan the events accordingly within the agreed time, or so whatever is needed on their “own” time, with or without the client. 

On 2/9/2024 at 7:23 AM, Km411 said:

Cum or not is ok with me, just don’t fake it; diminishes the experience if someone thinks I’m stupid.

Rather, don’t get caught faking or make it obvious. Isn’t most of the entire experience of client provider interaction fake (on the provider end surely)? The physical output aside, which I guess can’t be faked, a grand performance by a skilled performer if requested should be available. 
 

On 2/2/2024 at 5:10 PM, BenjaminNicholas said:

It's not always what you see on the board, but the information being exchanged in private.

I’ve often suspected an inverse correlation between some client virtue signaling on here when describing their views / behavior … and their reality 

I’m pretty sure many providers fake … if nothing else to try and end the session! Some clients may buy the act that they were so hot and the totally inexperienced guy they were with was waiting for the right moment with the right person vut couldn’t control himself … 😜

one told me he keeps this colored lube nearby so he can even make it seem like the client has cum without realizing - again in order to speed things up … and that’s the providers cue to run into the shower to reset the dynamic 

On 2/2/2024 at 8:54 AM, pubic_assistance said:

Which speaks to the unreliability of PreP in the general public rather than the pharmaceutical company's oft quoted  stellar efficacy in their own controlled studies.

Not necessarily - could be a lapse in them following the regimen. I do wonder when I see ads or hookup posts from those who boast about their stamina to party all weekend if they kept up with their mess during that time. 

I know a couple of providers who are now positive but weren’t when I first met them - and I wonder if some clients (for whom the info is important) file away a historic answer and freeze it as still accurete.

I’ve heard more than once that those negative and on prep sometimes feel they will miss out on revenue (if providers) and the opportunity to hook up (regular sites) if they list that as it seems exclusionary, preachy etc to those positive.

Perhaps a related question, are bad reviews the main or only reason providers change their profiles?

Even with fake ages there’s not much to change or try to eradicate from client memory.. 

I’ve been told filming is now pretty standard when young kids hookup - and you see it in amateur porn where someone is holding a phone in their hand throughout.

Increasingly I find in the hookup world people offering to show me footage of them with others. One guy even said something like it’s now assumed ok unless you say it’s not. Might not be prevalent but more common than it used to be and evolving technology makes it easier.

I don’t write reviews unless I’m genuinely super happy.  Or super unhappy, and rarely in those cases, mainly as unless there is anything dangerous to others, I want to break ties and be done with it.

The reviews clearly mean something as the follow up from providers afterward (either “please leave a review” or “please take down or edit your review”) can get invasive. And I still find it amusing that many providers just don’t seem to get that I may have had a less than perfect experience.

More than one supposedly established and well-regarded provider has offered men a free session if I wrote a positive review or took down something that wasn’t perfect.

I think unless mistaken this is a provider with frequent name changes including 

Tyler Dickson 

Tall White Hung

bigwhitecock 

tylerontop

as well as some others I’ve forgotten - unusually including “white” or  “Penis” (like Big TrophyPenis etc 

(For the record I’ve never met him but found the frequent profile resets interesting) 

I’ve had providers ask (for their marketing and their channels) - when I’ve said no some have even said”what if I guarantee your face won’t be visible …”

I’ve never asked for it.

One provider offered to take pictures or video on my phone for my use saying some liked to keep momentos

I’ve asked re cameras position on bed posts, on desks in the providers room, on the ceiling etc if filming is going on - and always been told no / or a vague answer about for security sometimes / yes / not with you but sometimes etc. given the size of security cameras now I wouldn’t be surprised if I’ve been filmed many times not just with providers but with general hookups. I take comfort in my unattractive ordinariness and assume My privacy is not at risk, as well as the strict laws that would get someone in trouble for filming and using something of this nature without consent.

7 minutes ago, marylander1940 said:

Do you send your pics to providers? 

As a rule no.

16 hours ago, Hot4latin said:

I'll take it a step further.  I'd be curious to know if providers charge differently when they know a potential client's stats.  Are there discounts for clients a provider is attracted to?  Are there hidden upcharges for "less than attractive" clients that the provider views as combat pay or to possibly dissuade the client from hiring?

I’m sure I’ve seen ads basically saying that (discount if you’re “hot”). 

I’m pretty sure there are some providers who won’t turn anyone away but give them less than stellar service if they are not attracted to them or have some feature they find problematic - age, body type, race, “masc vs femme” etc

One provider shared w me once that he had some tricks if he’s bored or really not into a client - the most outrageous of which was pretending they’re not clean down there … as he described it, that typically sends them into deep embarrassment, they run to the bathroom, by the time they come out they’re desperate to leave even if all that hasn’t used up the remaining time.

Yes I’d rather have a provider reject me before meeting if it can lead to that but I’d rather this wasn’t an issue in what’s supposed to be different from regular hooking up. 

17 hours ago, marylander1940 said:

sooner or later he'll realized it's not a good policy for this kind of business. 

No because there will be enough people including in this forum validating the ask saying it’s a providers right etc 

5 hours ago, BenjaminNicholas said:

There will always be cheaper options, even if that means traveling 20 hours and visiting a third-world country.

Or staying put where you are and letting the market play out. I’ve never seen so much discounting from providers (with me never asking) as I have over the past year. 

As often discussed, this is one of the most capitalist market segments. So if providers want to raise rates - nothing to stop them. They can determine over time if it’s working. 

Prices do NOT rise for everything in inflationary times, they can even come down even for luxuries, and prices don’t move consistently. It’s why the wise ones call it a “basket” when calculating inflation.

On 1/5/2024 at 6:13 PM, BenjaminNicholas said:

I'd say that really depends on the sexual technique of the client.

You can't fake putting a load in someone's mouth.

Good to know for my ego, I may have to revisit like 90% of my double guessing from mostly non provider experiences! 😊

So I got experienced more outreach from him on an online dating site; realized it was him after some back and forth when he sent his pic, unprompted, and then requested mine in return, getting testy when I didn’t respond. 

His RM profile now seems to address a couple of the issues in discussions on this forum as @GCMan states 

(not linking to his profile again as it’s above) 

and also 

not on grindr or scruff, someone’s using my photos. also if you’re reading this, i’m probably going to reach out and say hello

Now I’d be prepared to accept it’s someone else using his photos since I’m seeing that increasingly (not just re providers)  but the location matches past comms and after I stopped responding he sent a link to the RM profile. So if it’s a fake account he’s marketing his doppelgänger well. 

Re the mental medical issue he references that may influence behavior I’d be sympathetic in most situations, particularly if given advance warning, but I’d likely consider what that may mean for a provider experience before committing or allowing a clean slate, since I’ve heard anecdotally (outside of discussions on here) enough about his interaction with others that I wouldn’t want to experience on my dime. 

On 1/3/2024 at 12:30 AM, BenjaminNicholas said:

Those are some of my favorite guys.  

Sit back, get serviced, get paid, leave smiling.

Aren’t providers - in those scnarios - usually faking though?

On 1/2/2024 at 11:44 AM, Thomas_Belgium said:

 

(Almost) everyone could be a victim for various reasons in (almost) every job worldwide, even when the job is executed voluntarily.

Ok that’s taking the discussion in a whole different direction. Workers of the world unite …

And be aware whatever approach you take (including no explanation / ghosting) may be received differently by each based on their sensitivities, experience etc

Even if he was into me I’d assume if he had other clients that day or with any life issues that can get in the way he may have difficulty performing. That would suck (and I wouldn’t be able to) if on my dime.

And with generics now seemingly available from every corner deli, I would assume a real life boyfriend experience would include him taking one anyway

14 hours ago, DrownedBoy said:

In "safe" cities like NYC/Chicago/LA, where police don't arrest prostitutes as part of their policy, the client can still be prosecuted. Clients are usually the only people who have any legal risk.

Any supposed provider that doesn’t ultimately understand this is either exceptionally naive and uninformed, or a fake.

12 hours ago, ICTJOCK said:

I certainly understand the challenges..    It probably doesn't hit me as hard as this is a side venture for me and my career keeps me focused.   This is,  however a time consuming side and I can understand the resentment if it seems to be a repeat event.  

Resentment among providers? I think among some this is from unrealistic expectations (financial and even emotional). It’s not indentured labor (unlike the path for many women) with conditions largely under one’s control more than elsewhere. If expectations are realistic and providers still become resentful they need to switch careers or come to terms with a choice that this is (presumably) better than the alternative options available to them. 

With advances in technology and more social acceptance for gay/bi men, provider margins and leverage are certainly more threatened esp if not understanding this is ultimately sales and customer service, and not a lifelong royalty for thinking of onesself as hot- and again this applies just to some, no offense meant to anyone.

Unfortunately the respect / suspicion gap between providers and clients as a whole is likely to grow especially as those providers (or fake providers) seeking shortcuts or worse keep up with the technology but not the service. Just heard about another guy falling foul of the “upfront partial payment for firstimers” scam, and the parting message from the supposed provider was, minutes after the almost-client reluctantly parted with his phone number to enable an electronic payment, a screenshot sent of his LinkedIn  and a Google map link to his house where he lives with his elderly disabled father, followed by being blocked on the app they connected on and the providers profile disappearing.