SouthOfTheBorder

I always tell providers that my experience is not dependent on whether I cum or not.  I let them know what I enjoy and to focus on that.  I’ve found that as I’ve gotten older, I can reach a point of overstimulation where cumming isn’t likely to happen - although I’m very much enjoying the sex. It seems to take the pressure off both parties & I have better overall outcomes.
I don’t expect a provider to cum ever.  If they want to, then fine. 
As for the time - I’m the clock watcher & will remind him I’m aware of the time at the 50 minute mark.  about 50% of the time, I’ll ask to extend & pay. For the rest, an hour is sufficient.  If we’re both having fun & he just wants to stay, that’s ok too.  I can only remember one guy shorting me on time, although a few times where I left early.  I think it’s reasonable to confirm you will get a full hour before you schedule.
I keep my expectations low & reasonable, while treating the provider as I would any other guest. 
Drinks are always offered before & after if in my home/hotel.  Shower offered after, of course.  

this is good news & if it is transitioning to a new business model, then that would require them to be discreet in advertising & promotions.  

it’s very close to the old Sauna Adan location, but appears as a different address ?  
I’ll be surprised if it lasts tho - just doesn’t seem to work in Madrid for whatever reason. 

in other words, you want to control & censor others to suit you because you won’t use ignore for people you don’t like. Then you twist those posts into an issue about word choice, personal  attacks or something else that you report to the mods, which suits your end goal to control & censor the people you don’t like…a passive/aggressive move behind the scenes.  And you have company as there are others operating the exact same way. 
That is what’s childish - your inability to allow different thoughts, different standards, different word choices, different opinions, different experiences & your perceived ownership of the site.  you evidently feel threatened for some reason when opinions or thoughts are different from yours.  
and this will certainly trigger another complaint - even though this is the exact subject of the thread & is not a personal attack. 

thank you for this - one of the most thoughtful & wise comments I’ve ever seen here.  this is a site where the core subject of interest is sex in context of providers, reviews & all things related - there is no confusion about that. It’s a place for free expression about topics that are typically off-limits elsewhere.
Yet, there are members using this site who attempt to control the narrative, censor and limit those expressions.  It’s not because they’re offended - they just don’t like the person posting or they just might disagree.  Typically, these are the people keeping the mods busy with their constant reporting & complaints. The “Karens” of the forum 

I’ve noticed a pattern among a few here whose sole presence is to find fault with the people who post about their real experiences, travel, etc.  instead of contributing something worthwhile, they zero in on grammar, spelling, politically correct terminology, etc simply to undermine the real experience conveyed.  Seems like a waste of time, but they need something to fill their days.  It’s all about their own jealousy & boredom in the end, not making a real contribution. 
And yes - the best way to deal with them is to place them on ignore.  I’ve often thought it would be fun to share our “ignored lists” - likely a definite no-no & that would make them crazy for sure.  
 
 

LOL - there is one person routinely referenced as “most ignored” here & the other site.  Entire threads about muting that individual - I’ll bet it’s the same one

thank you for this - one of the most thoughtful & wise comments I’ve ever seen here.  this is a site where the core subject of interest is sex in context of providers, reviews & all things related - there is no confusion about that. It’s a place for free expression about topics that are typically off-limits elsewhere.
Yet, there are members using this site who attempt to control the narrative, censor and limit those expressions.  It’s not because they’re offended - they just don’t like the person posting or they just might disagree.  Typically, these are the people keeping the mods busy with their constant reporting & complaints. The “Karens” of the forum 

I’ve noticed a pattern among a few here whose sole presence is to find fault with the people who post about their real experiences, travel, etc.  instead of contributing something worthwhile, they zero in on grammar, spelling, politically correct terminology, etc simply to undermine the real experience conveyed.  Seems like a waste of time, but they need something to fill their days.  It’s all about their own jealousy & boredom in the end, not making a real contribution. 
And yes - the best way to deal with them is to place them on ignore.  I’ve often thought it would be fun to share our “ignored lists” - likely a definite no-no & that would make them crazy for sure.  
 
 

Chunky, older and queeny sounds like a clever ice cream flavor. Jerry? Ben? You paying attention? (To the "I don't get it" crowd, Ben & Jerry are an ice cream manufacturer based in Vermont, sold in stores all over the place).

I dont think we can. People are certainly going to have individualized objections to any number of words. However, restricting the cultural voice of others here is unnecessary. 
When your sexuality is the stand out factor that makes you divergent from the norm, it becomes an important part of your culture. It's a culture steeped in a rich tradition of freedom and expression regarding sex. That culture, and the freedoms that come with it, were fiercely fought for by many.
It typically allows us to freely have discussions about sex, and use any number of sexual terms, without shame or embarrassment. And while still in some ways, we may not be able to have those discussions, and use those terms, in "polite" society at large, there is absolutely no reason we shouldn't embrace and celebrate the tolerance to have those discussions, and use those terms, within our own community.   

I’ve been going to Thermas since 2008 & my impression at that time was it had been open for several years.  There has never been an issue at Thermas affecting their ability to operate (except for Covid, which is unrelated to the discussion).  The owner is present & hands-on, running a safe environment for men.   I’ve never had a bad experience there among many visits over the years.  Yes, I know about the parties. Debating the legality is a moot point.  If Thermas closes one day, it will probably be because of lack of clients due to apps.

I’ve often wondered why Thermas works in BCN and nothing comparable in Madrid.  First, Sauna Adan in Madrid was a literal dump and the facility in no way compared to Thermas.  It was dirty & the working guys were random and surly. I did not feel safe imo. Second, Madrid isn’t flooded w tourists in the same way as BCN & certainly not in context of gay tourists, although that is changing.  Third, Madrid is a much more regulated city and it is evident everywhere you look - the streets are cleaner, the city is vibrant and there is no crime wave of petty theft targeted at tourists as in BCN.  In short, a true rentboy sauna in Madrid just would not be tolerated by the authorities. 
of course, the trolls will chime-in who want to pick apart real experiences in lieu of their online “research”
btw - I’m happy to see people still posting on this thread ….it is about Thermas !

LOL - there is one person routinely referenced as “most ignored” here & the other site.  Entire threads about muting that individual - I’ll bet it’s the same one

and you’re wondering why the coverage was declined ?  The insurance company thinks the patient is dead 

I’ve been going to Thermas since 2008 & my impression at that time was it had been open for several years.  There has never been an issue at Thermas affecting their ability to operate (except for Covid, which is unrelated to the discussion).  The owner is present & hands-on, running a safe environment for men.   I’ve never had a bad experience there among many visits over the years.  Yes, I know about the parties. Debating the legality is a moot point.  If Thermas closes one day, it will probably be because of lack of clients due to apps.

I’ve often wondered why Thermas works in BCN and nothing comparable in Madrid.  First, Sauna Adan in Madrid was a literal dump and the facility in no way compared to Thermas.  It was dirty & the working guys were random and surly. I did not feel safe imo. Second, Madrid isn’t flooded w tourists in the same way as BCN & certainly not in context of gay tourists, although that is changing.  Third, Madrid is a much more regulated city and it is evident everywhere you look - the streets are cleaner, the city is vibrant and there is no crime wave of petty theft targeted at tourists as in BCN.  In short, a true rentboy sauna in Madrid just would not be tolerated by the authorities. 
of course, the trolls will chime-in who want to pick apart real experiences in lieu of their online “research”
btw - I’m happy to see people still posting on this thread ….it is about Thermas !

using a dead persons social security number for healthcare insurance is not sustainable.  He will get caught at some point if it continues & could be very unpleasant.  I’d say best plan would be enroll ACA during open enrollment periods and talk to someone familiar w the intricacies & subsides to minimize the actual cost.
the worst case scenario is something catastrophic happens, he needs reliable insurance and the fraud is exposed w current situation.  it’s much easier to just move on.  frequently these type changes appear much more complicated & overwhelming than just getting it done. 

As others have said, if he's using someone else's SSN and name, the debt collector worry isn't really a worry.
My worry is him being hit with insurance fraud at this point.  It's a very real possibility when they find out.

and you’re wondering why the coverage was declined ?  The insurance company thinks the patient is dead 

I accept the hard truth that I am not his target audience.

I’ve been going to Thermas since 2008 & my impression at that time was it had been open for several years.  There has never been an issue at Thermas affecting their ability to operate (except for Covid, which is unrelated to the discussion).  The owner is present & hands-on, running a safe environment for men.   I’ve never had a bad experience there among many visits over the years.  Yes, I know about the parties. Debating the legality is a moot point.  If Thermas closes one day, it will probably be because of lack of clients due to apps.

I’ve often wondered why Thermas works in BCN and nothing comparable in Madrid.  First, Sauna Adan in Madrid was a literal dump and the facility in no way compared to Thermas.  It was dirty & the working guys were random and surly. I did not feel safe imo. Second, Madrid isn’t flooded w tourists in the same way as BCN & certainly not in context of gay tourists, although that is changing.  Third, Madrid is a much more regulated city and it is evident everywhere you look - the streets are cleaner, the city is vibrant and there is no crime wave of petty theft targeted at tourists as in BCN.  In short, a true rentboy sauna in Madrid just would not be tolerated by the authorities. 
of course, the trolls will chime-in who want to pick apart real experiences in lieu of their online “research”
btw - I’m happy to see people still posting on this thread ….it is about Thermas !

The most similar one in Madrid would be Sauna Gran Via. It's starting to have a reputation to be escorts only sauna. However, I don't think SGV advertises itself as an escort sauna like Thermas does.
 
 

“I blocked him, he's useless and misinterprets everything as though he's the expert and the almighty of morals, on a board for gay whores, smh
My experience vastly overshadows his....in matters that I comment on..... I must have offended him by saying this, Chunky, older & queeny....hit too close to home for him, 😛
I highly recommend the ignore button, for him too.”
 

not really.  In the US, it has simply changed in most cities.  there are still sex-parties everywhere & more underground/temporary venues for sex.  The thing that has changed is who they let in & who they don’t.  Most have some sort of door policy or advance list required.  Thats how it is in NYC.  And then there are the exceptions to all of that like in Ft Lauderdale.  
In other major cities outside the US, saunas & sex-clubs are still very common.  I’d say there’s more sex happening now compared to decades ago.
It’s not that it’s less free or less liberating - it’s far more likely that some are just aging out of those environments, particularly in the US where older gay men tend to become invisible. Im traveling outside the US now & in the city I’m visiting - there are at least 4 sex-clubs, several saunas with slings and everything else you can imagine.  It’s far from being over.
The younger generation would argue the apps make them more free & liberated than having to go to a public venue and mix with those they wouldn’t otherwise. 
and back to topic - if someone thinks bottoming isn’t for them, then they just haven’t found a good top yet: a complete & total game-changer.  Lots of guys think they can top - very few actual good ones. 
 

hint - on the other site, they name him.  same user name here btw 

I don’t agree.  
I’d say some people can do PNP without going down the road road to addiction & life ruining consequences.  
However, I’ve been around dozens of guys who do it “recreationally” and still have jobs, careers, family & relationships.  That said, when they’re using - the personality changes are distinct and my observations are consistent: they get agressive, mean & beyond bitchy.  It’s all about getting dick ( and there’s never enough,  maybe because of limp dick unless there’s more drugs).
If it turns into a run (more than 48 hours) then these people are no longer recognizable based on behavior & personality.
Forget the judgment & health consequences, they’re just not fun to be around.  I’ve shared houses with these types on extended vacations - an absolute nightmare.  They’ve lost friendships for sure - basically because they became super assholes
sounds like fun, right ???

a reluctant bottom is a bad bottom - every single time.  desire is the necessary ingredient 

I suppose anything is possible,  but for a provider not to kiss or provide oral is like an attorney going into court with the plaintiff asserting a cause of action without evidence.    Kind of lame.    Both could be "laughed out"....

Bagel from Utopia (Queens, NY).
Fresh lox or nova.
Toast bagel.  Add schmear.  Add salmon.  Add capers.  Add fresh red onion.  Donezo.
This is about as complicated as my cooking skill gets.
However, I make a fantastic reservation.