Simon Suraci

Here is a look at the availability feature for your reference (below). I only use the one hour availability option because that’s actually realistic, and it matches all the other platforms I use that have availability functions in maximum 1-hr format…so my availability displays consistently across platforms +/- a couple mins. Sometimes I flag myself available for an hour and I get a text 10 mins later requesting an appointment to start within the next hour. Unless I actively change it back, it will list me as available for the rest of the hour, which technically I am…available to respond promptly to inquiries. Sometimes available “now” for a massage as well. In this scenario, it depends if you are the client contacting me in the first 10 mins after I flag or the last 50 mins. It can change within the hour, but it looks the same to the client. Also, I am not necessarily tethered to the studio. I may be heading to the gym or running an errand, and turn around if I get a client, or in the middle of a workout and have to tell the client I can start you at X time, factoring in wrapping up, showering, driving, and any last minute setup. “Online” now (green) means logged in currently or very recently, whether actively looking at the screen or not. This may have nothing to do with whether I can take a client “now” or not. I might ironically be responding to a RentMasseur massage saying I am NOT available now, but here is my next availability x, y, and z. Some of you seeing “available now” 24/7 may be seeing a guy selecting 6 hours at a time! Which IMHO is unrealistic at best.

Thanks for laying out your thought process. Too many expect 100% of their needs to be met for the $200 range, but too often that’s unrealistic. At least you have a sense of what you value and are willing to pay for the higher value items (to you) accordingly. Curious: what would satisfy the 90%+ range for you? What about 100%?

Tal Sharone launched a new site (link below) to promote various spa, massage, skincare, barber, esthetician and other service providers. He keeps hounding me to join and pay subscription fees for ad space but I can’t see the value yet. It’s pretty small right now, and for the moment only local to San Diego, LA, and Palm Springs. Wondering what clients think. If a similar site covered your local area, would you use something like this to find your m4m service providers for massage, waxing, and the like? Men’s Massage therapist in San Diego - All For Men ALLFORMEN.COM Experience top-notch men's Bodywork and Personal Trainers in San Diego at All For Men. Elevate...

I’ve had all of the above. Fantasy seekers, role players, and genuine virgins. Lots of men have seen me later in life for a safe space to have their first time. Once in a while a younger guy sees me for his first time. Some say so before the meeting, some say after they arrive. Sometimes they only tell me after the fact.

I hope to update and add info when the new review site goes live. I anticipate more fields to fill in, including location. My home base is San Diego.

@Casual I know of many providers on the site. Only a small fraction post or participate with any regularity. Of those, some come and go, deciding to delete their account or just not log in for months. The majority of us are either unaware of the site (most) or choose not to engage with it. Their loss, but at the same time admittedly it takes a lot of time and energy to make our presence here worthwhile. From time to time I alert providers I know of comments and they can choose to ignore or engage with the content. Some guys are hopeless when it comes to tact and understanding how to leverage the platform. Some of the long time active provider members here really get the value of investing our time in the platform and stick with an engagement strategy for the long haul. I first discovered the forums when I was searching myself testing for other marketing purposes and came across some chatter about me when I was working in Dallas. Since then, I came to realize this is actually a really good business development tool. Many CoM clients have seen me in part due to my engagement here…and they love my work! Several topics have come up in the forums re: sites to review clients. My short answer is no, it’s not a thing, at least not as extensive and widespread as it is for reviews of masseurs and providers. It would not behoove us providers to share about it if we did have such a thing. For others who come across this blurb, I realize it may be kind of weird to post here when the provider can see it and even respond. Positive comments are welcome, but I invite even negative comments about me because it challenges me to improve my business and how I deliver service. It keeps me honest and to own my mistakes and apologize for them and make things right. It also gives me a chance to clarify anything stated that was factually incorrect. Opinions are a different matter. When someone doesn’t like my style, my look, how I handled something, or have some other opinion, oh well. It’s not personal, and I can take that criticism with maturity and respect. I won’t try to get it taken down or anything like that. A good provider can stand on his overall reputation and take a few hits here and there without suffering very much loss. I can’t please everyone 100% of the time, and I have no illusions of doing so, but I know I do a great job and my clients are happy with me. Some of my Texas clients still visit me in California, and many of the others text me asking when I will be coming back. I know I’m not perfect, but with signs of loyalty like this, I know I’m doing something right. Cheers to finding me. May the best providers find their place here too and make the most of it.

Thanks for sharing your insight @Casual. I’ll have to try Chen. I appreciate really good therapeutic work.

Ditto.

I love my multi-hour client sessions. One client does all my services: body trimming, massage, body scrub, long massage, two hours of playtime, and a couple hours for dinner afterwards. Other clients hire multiple men through me for a combination of massage and playtime. I set it up based on client needs and provider skills. They tap in and tap out over a few hours, or all join in for one or two hours depending on what the client wants. Then I have my traditional escort clients who like me to accompany them for an afternoon of swimming or having a meal or drinks, or going out dancing, or join them for a dressy event like a benefit or a casual thing like a sports event. Beach, bathhouse, touristy things, shopping together, etc. You name it. Combine any or all of those ideas with playtime, massage, meals, breaks, or whatever and you can easily fill hours or even days. Your imagination and budget are your only limits!

Update on Michael. He’s moving to Silver Lake, Los Angeles area in the next couple months or so. He still has his full time hospital job that limits his schedule, but he should have more capacity than he currently does now - at least for a while until he builds up more regulars there. Great news for LA folks: here’s another nice, good natured, and experienced man to try. Bummer to lose him here, but I am honored that he’s referring his SD clients to me. Catch him in San Diego while you still can, during March 2024.

A baker forgot to add yeast to his bread dough. It was a whole new loaf for him.

^Thank you for the sarcasm 😊 Anyone that has ever lived with one or more roommates understands the natural limitations on hosting incalls. I have had few problems seeing Spanish only clients and I only know words and phrases. I wonder how this is so different the other way around. We have translator apps and such which can get the basic messages across. Regarding rates, it’s a matter of what they are delivering. Seems irrelevant that they are from a different place or have limited English skills. If the guy is good, pay him what he is worth. Should you be unwilling to try a provider lacking reviews here or elsewhere, move on to the tried and true guys you know will deliver.

From a provider perspective, it’s best to give the client options than demand the client coordinate and pay for a rideshare. 1) First off, encourage the client to book me incall for a lower rate. It’s better all the way around. The client can use whatever mode of transportation he likes, and pay what he is comfortable paying, on his own time. Economy, Uber black, rent his own car, take a subway or ride a unicycle for all I care. Real talk though: in San Diego, that client is driving or being driven by someone else in a vehicle. Period. 2) Client insists on outcall. Charge the client a higher rate based on distance, time, and hard costs. For example, $30 parking in a certain downtown area, or factoring in an extra hour to deal with peak commute traffic, or factor in distance/time/gas to visit a city more than 30 miles away. Maybe I am without my Jeep for some reason and hailing my own Uber. In any case, I’m handling everything and giving the client one quote to cover all of my transportation considerations. All the client has to do is agree to the rate and anticipate my arrival time. It’s not complicated. 3) Option (not demand) to send a rideshare to my location. Clients have offered this to me in the past. In some situations it makes more sense. For example, a client wanted an outcall at his Ritz Carlton hotel a few miles away and I was parked underground in my downtown location. There was no parking available near his hotel that wasn’t valet-only or expensive self-parking. It would take more time and cost to drive and then park. It was faster for him to send an Uber. Then again, he was a trusted regular and that makes all the difference with these decisions.

Speaking for myself here. I don’t know what your other guys are doing. My response time varies from minutes to hours. Late night texts when I’m in bed and falling asleep or already asleep I let sit overnight until I wake up and respond first thing from bed. Some of my clients book me for 2 1/2 hrs (pretty common, long massage and scrub appointment) to 5 hrs or more. For example, once a month, a client gets body trimming (45 mins), massage (90 mins), playtime (120 mins), and body scrub (30 mins). Then we go out to dinner after all that, for about two hours. When a client reaches out to me on this day, I am lucky to respond on the way to dinner. Forget about that hours long window when I am focused on my client and not checking my phone at all. I’m actually being a good service provider giving my complete focus and attention to my client. Those demanding responses in 30 mins or less…you’re essentially requiring that a provider not only be available during the time you want, but also available when you reach out. Say you want an hour of his time, and your start time is two hours away. That means you’re demanding three hours of his time IMMEDIATELY. Great if he’s sitting around with nothing better to do, awaiting your one text. The reality is we juggle many requests throughout the day and do our best to make it seem like you are our only client and only concern in the world. I may be working on a client when you text. Say it’s only a one hour appointment, that’s still too long for some of you people here. When you’ve done good research, you’re already picking from among the better providers - those most attentive to client inquiries, but they are busy because they are good. Wait up to 24 hrs. Several hours is not unheard of. Some of them are worth the wait. Quality is more important than convenience or instant gratification. I get that some clients are looking for “right now”, but it’s unrealistic to expect your whole list of half a dozen guys to respond within minutes. It’s ok to respond to a straggler later saying you hired another provider. To show goodwill, mention that you will keep him in mind for next time. Perfectly acceptable. More than 24 hrs and he’s less and less likely to respond at all. Move on.

^This. It depends on the market you are trying to tap into. Your clients will be different depending on how you advertise and what skills you deliver. It’s easy to be a masseur without training. It’s very difficult to be a successful masseur without training and/or experience. To get the type of clients who keep coming back, I suggest getting at least some training. Even training doesn’t guarantee success. It’s a combination of skill, aptitude, and how you deliver the service. Also the business side is very important, including customer service and marketing. Feel free to seek out training in different modalities, but here in the US, the majority of clients want and expect some base level knowledge and skill in western style massage techniques i.e. Swedish and deep tissue. I recommend starting with that, get comfortable with the basics, and then branch out to other modalities if you want to differentiate yourself. Whatever you do, you have to be good. Clients can tell when you take the work seriously, and that is the difference between many one-offs and a regular client base. The best clients tend to want equally good service on both the therapeutic massage side and on the “extras” side. Few men want purely therapeutic work only, and a solid majority want more substance than just “extras”, no matter how good the extras are. Even straight men tend to be this way, at least the ones booking me through my ads geared primarily toward msm. It’s an art finding the right balance and reading your clients’ needs, since they often won’t verbalize their needs. Being successful as a full time masseur seems simple and easy, and the best of us make it look that way, but honestly it’s no easy task. It takes commitment, hard work, and lots of time to build up to a level that will support yourself. All that said, it sounds like you want to end your escort career. Are you willing to do the “extras” as a masseur? If so, what are your limits? Conceptualize your boundaries and find the right way to communicate those boundaries to your clients and stick to them. Be as up front and direct as you can while not putting people off. It’s a very delicate balance. Clients will constantly be testing your limits and try to violate them. Be prepared to deal with that dynamic gracefully. It can be exhausting when you’re trying to not be an escort. I can speak from experience as being a masseur only and as a masseur who also offers escort services: it’s easier to be both! It’s more difficult to be a masseur only, but it’s possible to succeed.

I hear your point. That context is relevant. At the time, I was reaching out purely as a client. In person people can be quite different, though (you never know), but I never got that far.

He’s been around San Diego for years posting various ads under Patrick and a few other names. Never met him in person, so take the following with a big grain of salt. My impression from a few years ago reaching out to him was that he is kinda rude and unfriendly. Standoffish, aloof. Got a bad vibe so never met. Very limited in what he will and won’t do. Strict vegan if I remember correctly, although I suppose that’s irrelevant. Good looking all around. Shame he isn’t offering to do much of anything in person with the body shots he advertises in his ads. My impression is you can look but cannot touch. Seems weird, like pick a lane: be erotic and lean into it, or offer therapeutic only and advertise as such. He keeps deleting and making new ads which is always a red flag in my book. Just my take. Curious: have others had positive experiences?

I was driving a client to dinner and he gave me road head…after we had f*cked each other’s brains out over the last hours. Had a few close calls with the cars around us idling at traffic signals. That client is decades older but makes me feel like a teen again. A really hot guy at my gym likes to stand buck naked in front of the hand dryer after a shower to dry off for like 10-15 mins. He gathers quite an audience. Another client likes to mess around in the showers at the same gym. I am always freeballing when I work out too, in tiny somewhat loose shorts. I wonder how many people catch a glimpse when I am bench pressing or doing leg lifts and stuff like that.

^This, exactly. The phenomenon described here removes a lot of the top talent doing online work from the in-person market. exceptions being the tippy top of the iceberg clients willing to pay $1k/hr etc. vast majority of the market either can’t afford or won’t pay astronomical rates regularly. What you have left are the not-so-famous men willing to do in-person work. Those guys are competing for rates in the ballpark of $200-$500 / hr (ish) depending on geography and many other factors. That gap between 500 and 1000 per hr there is almost no market for because clients willing to pay 3/4/500 can have their pick of the litter among many good options. There is no reason to pay $700/ hr. for someone who will make you just as happy as another charging $400/hr. But you might pay $1k+/hr for a once or twice in a lifetime blowout experience with a well known, highly in demand porn/fans star. That gap keeps rates in check. Sure you will have the odd demand for $700/hr fishing for who bites, but almost nobody who isn’t already in the $1k/hr category is making a living doing regular in person work full time for that “gap” rate.

Confirmed. Another member texted him today to ask about escort services. At least for now, he is only available for massage. IMHO there are much better options in the Big D for top notch quality massage (with OR without extras). Grant is gorgeous, but that’s all you’re paying for here: the view. from his text: "unfortunately I only offer massage and erotic massage."

You misinterpret me. I assume not that everyone is versatile, rather that everyone is capable of feeling, if ever so infrequently, that they desire activity outside their usual position with a certain person at a particular time in their life. To exclude that possibility is closed minded and limiting. I acknowledge some people want one thing 99%+ of the time and that’s fine. Nothing wrong with identifying as such. “Henceforth, I shall limit myself to only one type of sexual expression, no matter how I feel at any point, with any person for the rest of my life.” Said no open minded person.

I echo many of the sentiments already posted. Everyone is different. Level of enjoyment has no relationship with level of, or duration of hardness. When I bottom, I tend to go soft, whether I am enjoying it or not. The top has to hit the right places and the right angles with the right pace to get me going, but once he does, it’s a blast. It’s rare, but the full body orgasm is amazing. It’s not important for me to cum, whether topping or bottoming. I do when my client wants me to cum. I often do. It just depends on the client and what I am feeling in the moment, and o of course if I need to save up my mojo for another client and I know that cum is optional or unimportant to my current client. While being fucked, I can cum when: - hard - hands free - flaccid - stroking - any combination of the above Even when I am just being rimmed, I lose my erection. It has nothing to do with my level of enjoyment. As soon as someone goes south, so does my dick. I can get hard again at various points, usually with some stroking. Not always. The buildup and chemistry matter. Every encounter is different. My favorite is flip fucking. Lots of mutual ongoing anticipation and opportunities for breaks without having to stop.

I chat and share here and there, but nothing that would identify a particular client or compromise their privacy. Sometimes clients ask about what my other clients are like. I give them aggregate, approximate data based on my observations of many. Nothing specific about a single client. I think that’s fine.

Phone convo is great, but needs to be scheduled. Even 10 mins notice helps. Only a small percentage of my day do I find myself alone, in a quite private place, without distractions, and ready to pick up a call. If the contact isn’t in my phone, it goes directly to VM without a buzz. The ringer is on silent/vibrate 100% of the time. Something along the lines of what @rvwnsd posted in a text is perfect. If I can respond right away, I will. If not, I have all the information in the message and can respond as soon as I free up. Voicemails are underrated. You can do a version of the above by voice as well. Email is fine. Same protocol, different platform. Expect slower responses. RentMen Messenger is buggy and slow, so expect delays and allow plenty of time for responses. Text is the fastest and easiest method. I can text responses in many situations where I couldn’t do so by voice. Say, for example, I am in the sauna at the gym with a bunch of straight sweaty hunks.

Men of all body types and ages can be tops or bottoms, or verse or side…. There is a market for every type. Hung bottoms. Small dick tops. Muscly, husky, bear, otter, twink, twunk, masculine presenting, feminine presenting, etc. Any of those and more can be any role at any age. There are no rules. Sometimes the novelty of a twink top is what a client wants and because there are fewer falling into the stereotypical boxes for that age or type, providers offering something less common may find themselves pretty in demand. When providers find their preferences or skills changing, it makes sense to lean into those. It’s also smart to lean into what you perceive your market wants. Nobody is dictating who your market is, though. You can choose to appeal to the majority or seek out niche audiences. Both have their advantages.