*18 to 20 yr old providers

[+ SirBillybob]

OP: Age 18+ recommendations, please; no upper limit but youthful bearing and able to read ‘Daddy’ off a cue card.

Replies: Before we proceed, let’s convene a Model UN symposium on international age-of-majority thresholds.

Edited yesterday at 10:12 PM by SirBillybob

[urbanfetish]

5 hours ago, TJMS said:

BonVIvant, what is the minimum ages in those countries?

It doesn't matter what the minimum age in those countries is if you are a US citizen. If you are traveling outside of the US, keep it 18 or older regardless. 

[Aamir]

You do all know that the age of consent is 16 in the majority of states in the United States. Right?

[urbanfetish]

5 minutes ago, Aamir said:

You do all know that the age of consent is 16 in the majority of states in the United States. Right?

State and federal laws are two different things. If you are flying internationally, federal laws apply and that means 18 or older.  

Let's keep this discussion to 18+ for the forum's sake please, at the very least.

Edited 21 hours ago by urbanfetish

[SecretProvider]

I love how the guy asked for +18yr old providers and you all just start talking about minors. 

Perfect encapsulation of how this forum operates most times.  😂

 

[+ SirBillybob]

Lest the symposium inadvertently drift to overly USA-centric …

In contrast to USA extraterritorial jurisdiction based on age of majority 18 years, Canada’s extraterritorial jurisdiction is based on age of majority 16 years. In both nations and about one-quarter of countries globally with similar ETJ legislation, the legal reach is domestic prosecution for activity abroad.

Otherwise, a Canadian tourist is subject to local abroad age of majority standard, eg, 17, 18 in countries where it exceeds 16. Prosecution in those cases applied locally. 

As such, for example, it is apparent that a 22-year old Canadian is not free to be intimate with a 16 year old Canadian friend when they are in Detroit, compared to its acceptability in Windsor, assuming for the latter location the older person not defined as a position of essential authority and it isn’t transactional, “obtaining sexual services for consideration”.

That said, obtaining sexual services for consideration is more serious and with harsher penalties for the purchaser when the provider is under the age of 18. Age of majority, definition of minor, shifts according to the Protection of Communities Act. I assume that the ETJ applies abroad and the age 18 minimum provider age standard underscored in the thread clearly stands. 

Edited 19 hours ago by SirBillybob

[rickster]

19 minutes ago, BonVivant said:

Let us be very clear: in ALL countries, a provider in this hobby HAS to be 18+.  Period. 

Thanks for the clarification.  I have to admit I was a bit confused because you had earlier advised OP to "[g]o to Belgium. Netherlands. Germany. Etc," presumably to avoid the restrictions or uncertainty of US law. 

[urbanfetish]

1 minute ago, BonVivant said:

I referenced those countries bc the hobby is legal there. But even there providers HAVE to be 18+. It is illegal for anyone under that age. So let’s stop confusing two very different scenarios: unpaid vs paid. 

There's no difference here between paid and unpaid. US citizens cannot travel to have sex with under 18yo, paid or unpaid. It's not about just providers being 18+. Unpaid situations are illegal for US citizens traveling international too. There are no "different scenarios" here. 

[rickster]

I'm not confusing anything, and, by the way, this isn't a hobby.  Stamp collecting is a hobby.  Sex work is a complicated, frequently illegal process by which money is exchanged for companionship and/or sex.  It can be dangerous and exploitative and, depending on how it transpires, can pose all kinds of moral ambiguity.

[caliguy]

2 hours ago, Aamir said:

You do all know that the age of consent is 16 in the majority of states in the United States. Right?

When they're close in age aka romeo and Juliet laws. Any adult in that scenario is considered rape as it should be. 

[Aamir]

There is an undercurrent of revulsion here to the scenario of a 50-year-old man having sex with a 16-year-old boy. And I'm not giving you legal advice here, but if you're in Michigan or one of 30 other states and a 16 year old boy on his birthday shows you his ID and proves that he's 16 and you see his birth certificate and you absolutely know that he's 16 and he wants to sit on your dick then you absolutely legally can. It is probably very dangerous to hire him because then you run afoul of a lot of other server laws. Some of you might be disgusted by the image of a 16 yr old boy and a grown man, but trust me this whole forum bathes in things that a majority of Americans think is pretty disgusting and unethical. I think it's okay to cast stones sometimes because I hate false equivalencies.  But I think it's important to not fear monger. Being disgusted with each other is of course acceptable and indeed commonplace on this board.

Further reading....

https://okeefelaw.net/sex-crimes/age-consent-michigan/

[Aamir]

And not to veer the conversation too far back on topic but this dude's ad is chef's kiss! And he even shows ID! Let me know if you've been with him....

https://rent.men/Yourlocalbottom

And thank you too all the guys DMing on topic!

[ACluelessGent]

22 minutes ago, Aamir said:

And not to veer the conversation too far back on topic but this dude's ad is chef's kiss! And he even shows ID! Let me know if you've been with him....

https://rent.men/Yourlocalbottom

And thank you too all the guys DMing on topic!

I wouldn't, he has acne 🤣

[Aamir]

29 minutes ago, ACluelessGent said:

I wouldn't, he has acne 🤣

Totally part of the appeal!!!! Ahhh remember high school?!  I wish i was getting hired by sexy older men back then!!

[BaronArtz]

The PROTECT Act was passed in 2003. It makes it a crime for a U.S. citizen or lawful permanent resident to have sex with someone under the age of 18 in a foreign country. This crime can be prosecuted in the United States.

[Cooper]

Administrator’s Reminder

Gentlemen, Let’s keep our replies to the subject of the thread: “18-21 yo providers”. We have a Guideline about discussing underage teens. Thanks! 🙏 

[pubic_assistance]

14 hours ago, Aamir said:

any legal behavior, lifestyle, or cultural practice that falls outside the rigidly enforced norms of the state can invite harassment or violence from both the state and civilian informants.

Sexual attraction to children is not a "lifestyle" that most civilized countries tolerate. You can play revolutionary all you want but eventually this kind of playing-with-fire habit is gonna get you behind bars. YES, you need to be SURE that your partners are of legal age.