*Yet another warning about deposits

[Delter]

11 minutes ago, PhileasFogg said:

Come on guys.  I think we can agree on many things:

1) providers have risks to mitigate and clients do too

2) reviews and/or personal experience matter in assessing the reliability of a provider

3) no one operates in a vacuum.  Some markets are deserts with few providers and it’s a seller’s market.  Others are saturated and it’s a buyer’s market 

4) we each have an amount that we define as token - for some it’s $50, others it’s $250, others it’s more.  The more it is to US, the more it matters on whether we should accede to a deposit and how much we can risk.

There is not a single incumbent provider in New Orleans I want to see - if they’re my type, they are probably addicts and unreliable.  When we have an appealing visitor, I absolutely am willing to pay a deposit when it feels right. Otherwise, I’m importing talent at great expense and the deposit is called a “plane ticket.”  

Some of us indeed do make the grand leap of faith of flying people out.

 

I don’t do that without a ton of judgement, vetting, inquiries, and review of comments on CoM and RM, but it usually leads to a spectacular evening/weekend for me.

 

Say what you will about deposit scammers that personally victimized you , but point (1) here by @PhileasFogg is indispensable: providers encounter time wasters, flakers who make them take 3 hour trips for nothing, scammers, etc as well. 
 

Some clients may hope that deposits will vanish as a policy, but that is just unrealistic given the bullshit that providers face as well.

Edited 19 hours ago by Delter

[Dicastri]

In the end, the sides of the market will react in equilibrium. You as a client don’t have to pay a deposit. That’s fine and respectable, and may influence the provider’s decision to make a possibly lengthy trip to you/ prep for you in the case they are bottoming. All is well ❤️ 🌈 💋.

[+ KensingtonHomo]

7 hours ago, Mark_fl said:

I can think of a way to reduce that risk to 0.0%

This is just silly. You don't pay a deposit, but then the provider takes your watch.

Life is not without risk. 

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

7 minutes ago, KensingtonHomo said:

This is just silly. You don't pay a deposit, but then the provider takes your watch.

Life is not without risk. 

Once time is gone, you can never get it back. ⌚ 😢 

[mike carey]

3 hours ago, Vegas_Millennial said:

Once time is gone, you can never get it back. ⌚ 😢 

Watch what you are saying there!

[+ PhileasFogg]

1 hour ago, mike carey said:

Watch what you are saying there!

Tie-eye-eye-im is on your side

yes it is yes it is

wait, I’m off topic 😬

[Mark_fl]

7 hours ago, Delter said:

Some clients may hope that deposits will vanish as a policy, but that is just unrealistic given the bullshit that providers face as well.

They've already vanished for me. That said, I would never ask a provider that didn't know me to travel even an hour,  let alone fly. Also, in lieu of a deposit, I will have a phone call, video call, whatever to show to him I'm real. If there was a way for him to confirm with a previous provider I've seen that I am what I say I am, I'd authorize that as well.  

If every client refused deposits unless the provider was having to go out of pocket or drive an hour or more, then yes, this issue would go away.

[mike carey]

6 minutes ago, SidewaysDM said:

In the near future, it would not be a great surprise to find most reputable providers requiring a deposit, from all future clients. Clients that find deposits abhorrent and unnecessary will find themselves unable to hire a decent provider. 

Perhaps. I'm not a provider, but I've been here long enough and read enough said on both sides of these transactions and on both sides of this debate to know that nothing is absolute. There are people here who have been burnt often enough by either flakes or by deposits that were not honoured to have formed unwavering rules for what they demand or will accept. Others, probably more often clients than active escorts, have yet to have such a disappointment. I have also read providers who treat flakes as a cost of doing business, and say that the incidence is sufficiently rare that they are prepared to absorb the risk of not having a deposit. But they are often those sufficiently established that they have honed their antennae, and either require a deposit or simply decline an appointment if enough flags are raised.

There are many professions where there is a substantial literature of what works and does not in the business, and on the benefits and pitfalls of various strategies. This is perhaps not one of them. Its rules are not sub rosa, that is the province of that other ancient profession, but they less obvious than some other more public professions. I suspect that there will always be providers willing, at times, to accept appointments without a deposit, and clients willing to take the risk of paying one, some even if the deposit is substantial.

[Delter]

4 hours ago, Mark_fl said:

They've already vanished for me. That said, I would never ask a provider that didn't know me to travel even an hour,  let alone fly. Also, in lieu of a deposit, I will have a phone call, video call, whatever to show to him I'm real. If there was a way for him to confirm with a previous provider I've seen that I am what I say I am, I'd authorize that as well.  

If every client refused deposits unless the provider was having to go out of pocket or drive an hour or more, then yes, this issue would go away.

They indeed probably have vanished for you, alongside some actual meetings.

An hour is one example. I think a trip that lasts even 30 minutes is considerably long too, and factoring the trip back home, becomes an hour.

I don’t  think someone having a FaceTime with a provider to “show they are real” necessarily means that they can’t still flake/cancel/block while the provider is already well on the way. 

A world without at least some clients paying deposits is impossible, just as a world where all providers can successfully request a deposit is impossible. Both sides have uncertainties to cover.

[Mark_fl]

4 hours ago, Delter said:

They indeed probably have vanished for you, alongside some actual meetings.

Not that I know. Maybe I'm selective, maybe because of my communication,  or most likely my profile clearly states I pay cash, but I've never been asked for one. 

It's also entirely possible that they read I pay cash, realize that means no deposit, and don't respond to my query.  Which is good.  Saves us from an uncomfortable position.

Edited 3 hours ago by Mark_fl

[Delter]

4 minutes ago, Mark_fl said:

Not that I know. Maybe I'm selective, maybe because of my communication,  or most likely my profile clearly states I pay cash, but I've never been asked for one. 

It's also entirely possible that they read I pay cash, realize that means no deposit, and don't respond to my query.  Which is good.  Saves us from an uncomfortable position.

Incredible that you’ve never been asked for a deposit. 
 

If you have a profile somewhere, I’d take out the “I pay cash” part, just to avoid any legal attention.

If you have found a way to repel providers who would ask for a deposit, that’s a strategy that can indeed save you from an uncomfortable situation/ a wasted conversation.

[Mark_fl]

Just now, Delter said:

Incredible that you’ve never been asked for a deposit. 
 

If you have a profile somewhere, I’d take out the “I pay cash” part, just to avoid any legal attention.

If you have found a way to repel providers who would ask for a deposit, that’s a strategy that can indeed save you from an uncomfortable situation/ a wasted conversation.

Why do you think, "I pay cash" is a concern? Its an escort site where you are paying for time.  Some form of payment has to be legal. Why not cash?

[Delter]

5 minutes ago, Mark_fl said:

Why do you think, "I pay cash" is a concern? Its an escort site where you are paying for time.  Some form of payment has to be legal. Why not cash?

It’s just something to be lightly considered. I’m saying that it’s best to not suggest any form of payment on a public profile at all, given that “s*x for MonAy” can be legally controversial in the US

Edited 3 hours ago by Delter