Do you pay for poor performance?!?

[str8mixed]

Hello!

Had an experience with a repeat today... he blamed it on being high... but I still paid the full price... why? I don't know... it was a waste of time. So my question is should you pay for non performance??

[Colton]

You could express your disappointment with expectations not being met and ask what they think a fair rate would be.  
 

It may also depend on whether they have a market rate or a premium/above market rate.  I realize the market rate is a bit unclear, but you know what market it is in your market.

OTOH, you are paying for time…

[+ keroscenefire]

Of course. You still pay for a meal at a restaurant or a play at the theater even if you didn't like it. Doesn't mean you have to ever see that provider again but yes you should always pay what is agreed upon even if the experience was not great. That's really just common sense.

[str8mixed]

Thank you for the feedback... I understand although I would say that we agreed on a price for an experience and they could not deliver ... I do agree that it's my choice not to go back. 

[guru68]

My view is pay the agreed-upon price if the person showed and was there for the time. If it wasn't a good experience, don't repeat. If it was a good experience, repeat. If it was a really good experience, tip and repeat.

[+ sync]

I'm the worst for that.  I've paid a number of times for disappointments.  It's just the luck of the draw, but I have always paid.  😒

[+ ApexNomad]

I’m sorry for your experience. At the end of the day, you’re paying for their time, not a guaranteed experience. You could try to rationalize your position and express your disappointment, but since you mentioned they were high, I’m not sure how far that conversation will go in the moment. That might have to be a separate conversation, which at that point, you have to question whether or not it’s even worth your time.

Sometimes, it’s best to just take the loss and move on.

[str8mixed]

Point taken thanks all

[BuzzLiteQueer]

I think, depending on your relative ages, sizes, muscle, etc. and whether this is an in-call (your place) outcall (his place) or a hotel, there is the issue of your personal safety if you were to refuse to pay.  The OP said the RM was high.  Do you really want to confront him?  I think the better path is to pay and be done with him.

[caramelsub]

I won’t name names. But I had an encounter with a well reviewed provider here. However, his pics were very outdated. When he opened the door I did not know what to do. I didn’t have any desire to have sex with this person. I didn’t want to be rude and just run away. So I just chatted with him, allowed him to rub and massage my body a bit, paid him his fee and left. Wasted my money, but at least I know I won’t be going back to him.

[Jack Vernon]

This has likely happened to all of us - they can't all be winners.  You pay, get out of there and move on.  Be sure to share your experiences/warnings with the rest of us so we can learn from your experiences!

 

[LookingAround]

6 hours ago, keroscenefire said:

Of course. You still pay for a meal at a restaurant or a play at the theater even if you didn't like it. Doesn't mean you have to ever see that provider again but yes you should always pay what is agreed upon even if the experience was not great. That's really just common sense.

Ummm no you don't. At least I am usually asked to not pay if I'm not happy with the meal. I explain why I didn't like it and the restaurant offers to take it off the bill or replace it with something else. Why should I pay for something I didn't eat or was inadequate. 

Edited March 9 by LookingAround

[str8mixed]

That's how I was feeling earlier. I know I pay for time but I also pay for experience. Let me be clear ... it's not about the money it's about the principal. 

[Monarchy79]

34 minutes ago, keroscenefire said:

Of course. You still pay for a meal at a restaurant or a play at the theater even if you didn't like it. Doesn't mean you have to ever see that provider again but yes you should always pay what is agreed upon even if the experience was not great. That's really just common sense.

There’s a grey area here…

Not liking something and having a bad experience because of the poor services of the provider are two different things.

Going to a movie and finding it to be uninteresting with a poor plot is a dislike. (You should pay)

Going to a movie theater that ran out of popcorn, had soda spilled in the seats, the the reels of the film were distorted is a bad experience. (Payment modification needs to be discussed with management) 
 

Going to a restaurant and realizing that the style of food prepared isn’t your taste is a dislike (you should pay) 

Going to a restaurant where there was a cockroach swimming through your main course, and there were lipstick prints on your wine glass is part of a bad experience. (Payment modification needs to be discussed with management) 

The same thing goes for the personal services discussed here. There’s a major difference between not getting what you expected (you should pay)  vs. basic standards not being met, that led to a poor experience. For example, being shorted on time, dirty set up for a massage, blatant demonstration of massage skills, or for an escort, a limp appendage, and not performing what was requested serves a poor customer service. (Payment modification should be addressed with the provider.) 
 

These things should be addressed and there should be at least a discussion of payment modification. 
 

Stand up for yourselves. In most situations where you’re getting bad service, the provider of that service knows it , and does doesn’t care. He’s taking advantage of your kindness and inability to confront him. 
 

 

[GTMike]

11 minutes ago, caramelsub said:

I won’t name names. But I had an encounter with a well reviewed provider here. However, his pics were very outdated. When he opened the door I did not know what to do. I didn’t have any desire to have sex with this person. I didn’t want to be rude and just run away. So I just chatted with him, allowed him to rub and massage my body a bit, paid him his fee and left. Wasted my money, but at least I know I won’t be going back to him.

Had similar experience though not exact. Provider has been discussed a little bit here but that wasn't deciding factor.

On one hand it was his pictures from the profile but on the other he had lied about statistics. In this case height and weight with unacceptable error margins.

I gave it 10 mins of polite conversation but then made it clear nothing was gonna happen and I would give him a discounted fee for a limited amount of time.

He was free to hang out and we continued chatting watching TV after he had his discounted fee and was free to leave.

[str8mixed]

@Monarchy79 I appreciate that and agree.. I can deal with the environmental aspects .. hell even if it was not what I expected in person vs pics .. but if you can't perform... that's a whole different story... I really appreciate everyone's feedback and points of view .. I still paid but definitely a lesson learned.

[str8mixed]

I think next time when it's gonna go south I will cut the session short. 

[TorontoDrew]

I pay but I won't hire again.

[DMICS]

1 hour ago, str8mixed said:

Hello!

Had an experience with a repeat today... he blamed it on being high... but I still paid the full price... why? I don't know... it was a waste of time. So my question is should you pay for non performance??

It really depends.

In this case I’ve sadly had two hires that showed up “off.” One case was a regular so he still got his full donation but he promised to never do that shit again.

The second provider I cut the time short and he received partial donation. 

 

[Tandy Newton]

Its why we have this forum to share our honest experience so others won't suffer for it. This vocation is becoming more and more bait/switch and quality providers are exiting; or just using RM as a conduit to OF. That leaves less reliable options for us and sometimes we come across a profile that wow's us, but doesn't live up to expectation the second the door opens.

[domdom81]

I think as other posters have said, that if you go ahead with a session you are paying for the escort's time, so you just have to suck it up (pun intended) and just don't recommend or rehire. In saying that I have not paid in a couple of specific instances. One was the escort arriving and being a total catfish. Luckily for me, he was there to join another escort who had already arrived and so I wasn't alone, so I felt more comfortable sending him away at the door. On another occasion I hired a Sean Cody model in Las Vegas and he arrived to my hotel room clearly high on something, so I told him I didn't want to proceed with the session due to that. I think that as long as you haven't started a session and the escort isn't who they advertise or you don't feel comfortable with them for any reason, it's appropriate to end the session without payment.  But always keep your safety in mind. If you've gone through with the session, I think it's smarter to pay up than risk an outburst or worse.

[Rod Hagen]

3 hours ago, Monarchy79 said:

 or for an escort, a limp appendage,

Firmly disagree.  No escort can guarantee a chem-free boner.  The fact that you would withhold money for that is shitty.

It's up to you to tell the Escort beforehand that you insist he use Trimix. 

Edited March 9 by Rod Hagen

[Monarchy79]

5 hours ago, Rod Hagen said:

Firmly disagree.  No escort can guarantee a chem-free boner.  The fact that you would withhold money for that is shitty.

It's up to you to tell the Escort beforehand that you insist he use Trimix. 

No one said anything about “withholding” money. 
If the arrangement is for the escort to top the customer, then a limp penis is a breach of that agreement, therefore payment arrangements/ alternatives of services need to be discussed. 
 

The same thing goes for “unprepared” bottoms. 

Edited March 9 by Monarchy79

[Monarchy79]

1 hour ago, domdom81 said:

I think as other posters have said, that if you go ahead with a session you are paying for the escort's time, so you just have to suck it up (pun intended) 

This philosophy is what keeps scammers in business. 
 

[LookingAround]

2 hours ago, Rod Hagen said:

Firmly disagree.  No escort can guarantee a chem-free boner.  The fact that you would withhold money for that is shitty.

It's up to you to tell the Escort beforehand that you insist he use Trimix. 

I nominate this for the most absurd and dumbest post of the year. I'm saving it for posterity.