Generation diZappointing

[Lotus-eater]

Those entitled Generation Zoomers are in for a rude awakening if they think that they'll be earning $100K-$200K/year working from home in their pajamas:

"JPMorgan CEO Jamie Dimon doubled down on his plan to scrap the bank’s work-from-home policies, launching into a foul-mouthed tirade against staffers angry about returning to the office, according to a report.

During a raucous town hall meeting Wednesday, Dimon tore into a petition — signed by nearly 1,300 workers — over the axing of COVID-era hybrid policies that allowed employees to work from home two days a week.

“Don’t waste time on it. I don’t care how many people sign that f—–g petition,” Dimon said, according to a leaked recording obtained by Barron’s.

Dimon pointed out that employees do not concentrate fully when they take part in online Zoom meetings, and said supervisors will have no say about who can skip the in-office requirements.

“There is no chance that I will leave it up to managers. Zero chance. The abuse that took place is extraordinary,” the boss of the nation’s largest lender told the stunned staffers.

He went on to stress that anyone upset over his mandate was free to find another job on Wall Street."

 

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[CuriousByNature]

7 hours ago, Archangel said:

That’s because companies don’t actually care about their employees. Employees are a liability and an expense – hence the mentality of simply axing them in the federal government right now. My board at work a few years back was faced with a tough budget year. The solution the Finance Committee sent us was to slash employee salaries. The Finance Committee is made up of Boomers and Gen X. They couldn’t fathom how cutting salaries at a non-profit was a huge morale blow. The board sent it back and demanded other things be cut. The point is that a certain generation just accepts human capital as expendable. It’s nice to see millennials and Gen Z pushing back against that, frankly, unethical view. The highest good isn’t necessarily just turning over a higher revenue. 

This is really strange @Archangel - somehow I have been attributed to the quote you responded too "The irony is that companies claim they want the best talent, yet many still expect candidates to blindly apply without knowing if the pay is even livable, let alone aligned with industry standards and job requirements".  But those were not my words or my post... 

[mike carey]

16 minutes ago, CuriousByNature said:

This is really strange @Archangel - somehow I have been attributed to the quote you responded too "The irony is that companies claim they want the best talent, yet many still expect candidates to blindly apply without knowing if the pay is even livable, let alone aligned with industry standards and job requirements".  But those were not my words or my post... 

I've worked out what probably happened as I was able to make the same thing happen (without actually posting it to the thread). That text was in a post that Samhexum posted, and you quoted his post to comment on it. It appears that @Archangel in turn quoted that paragraph from where you had quoted it in your comment, and when he did so our software attributed the text to you and not to Sam. (Anything quoted in a comment becomes isolated text, not something linked to the post it came from, apart from the label on the box in which it is quoted.)

[Archangel]

4 hours ago, Lotus-eater said:

Those entitled Generation Zoomers are in for a rude awakening if they think that they'll be earning $100K-$200K/year working from home in their pajamas.

False association. The article didn’t stipulate that the applicants were looking to work from home. You assigned that and then proceeded to assail that. I know plenty of folks who aren’t Gen Z who expect to keep getting paid what they were pre-pandemic when they worked from an office but transitioned to primarily working from home during Covid. Nonetheless, you imported WFH the discussion where it wasn’t before.

It’s almost like you enjoy ridiculing Gen Z, @Lotus-eater.

Edited February 23 by Archangel

[Archangel]

9 hours ago, mike carey said:

I've worked out what probably happened as I was able to make the same thing happen (without actually posting it to the thread). That text was in a post that Samhexum posted, and you quoted his post to comment on it. It appears that @Archangel in turn quoted that paragraph from where you had quoted it in your comment, and when he did so our software attributed the text to you and not to Sam. (Anything quoted in a comment becomes isolated text, not something linked to the post it came from, apart from the label on the box in which it is quoted.)

[Lotus-eater]

5 hours ago, Archangel said:

False association. The article didn’t stipulate that the applicants were looking to work from home. You assigned that and then proceeded to assail that. I know plenty of folks who aren’t Gen Z who expect to keep getting paid what they were pre-pandemic when they worked from an office but transitioned to primarily working from home during Covid. Nonetheless, you imported WFH the discussion where it wasn’t before.

It’s almost like you enjoy ridiculing Gen Z, @Lotus-eater.

The title of the post is "Generation diZappointing" (not "Ok boomer"). Plenty of surveys indicate that Generation Zoomers and Millennials prefer the flexibility of WFH several times a week. E.g.:, "A May survey of 1,000 U.S. adults showed that 39% would consider quitting if their employers weren’t flexible about remote work. The generational difference is clear: Among millennials and Gen Z, that figure was 49%, according to the poll by Morning Consult on behalf of Bloomberg News."

Edited February 23 by Lotus-eater

[Archangel]

21 minutes ago, Lotus-eater said:

Plenty of surveys indicate that Generation Zoomers and Millennials prefer the flexibility of WFH several times a week.

Still. You can’t make that assumption about the data provided. You’re simply looking to portray Gen Z in a poor light and pulling from here and pulling from there to do so. You make a jump that might not be warranted.

When the older generations age out, companies will adapt. The thing about old farts is they die and all those pesky youngins come in and change “the way it always was.

And what, exactly, does your opening line with “ok Boomer” have to do with what I said? Another red herring. I did, admittedly, refer to folks who weren’t Gen Z, but it wasn’t a dismissive remark about Boomers. You once again imported meaning that wasn’t there in order to attack something not at hand. 

[Archangel]

29 minutes ago, Lotus-eater said:

A May survey of 1,000 U.S. adults

Cited from an article in 2021. Hardly contemporary.

Also…”plenty of surveys” is hearsay.

[Archangel]

[Lotus-eater]

2 minutes ago, Archangel said:

Still. You can’t make that assumption about the data provided. You’re simply looking to portray Gen Z in a poor light and pulling from here and pulling from there to do so. You make a jump that might not be warranted.

When the older generations age out, companies will adapt. The thing about old farts is they die and all those pesky youngins come in and change “the way it always was.

And what, exactly, does your opening line with “ok Boomer” have to do with what I said? Another red herring. I did, admittedly, refer to folks who weren’t Gen Z, but it wasn’t a dismissive remark about Boomers. You once again imported meaning that wasn’t there in order to attack something not at hand. 

Data is better than your anecdotes. And the post is focused on Gen Z, not "the old farts" who may just have the last laugh. 

[Archangel]

3 minutes ago, Lotus-eater said:

Data is better than your anecdotes. And the post is focused on Gen Z, not "the old farts" who may just have the last laugh. 

Data from four years ago is laughable.

You can’t take one survey focused on one topic and another survey focused on another topic and say that the results from one are valid hypothetical results for the other. The data is better…than your conflation. You just don’t have the data you’re conflating.

The old farts can’t laugh from the grave 🤷🏼‍♂️ If anything has shown us is the world changes and adapts, and while there are metarealities over time, the arc of history bends to change to accommodate new realities. Otherwise those who poo-pooed the necessity of indoor toilets in the 1920s would still be laughing – but we have indoor shitters now and would consider it an under the acceptable standard of living if someone didn’t. Just imagine if DCF found out a kid at the elementary school would come in and let slip his family was using an outhouse instead of an indoor toilet. Times change – whether the old cranks like it or not  

 

[Lotus-eater]

I still don't see any data from you, which makes your objection pretty laughable. And dressing up the same analogy with mystical appeals to the "arc of history" and "metarealities" doesn't make it any more impressive.

[Archangel]

Data that unravels your logical fallacies? You can’t seriously be asking for data about toilets…

https://a.co/d/8FBzucv

https://a.co/d/iyfUDUG

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

On 2/8/2025 at 5:24 PM, Archangel said:

@CuriousByNature, and others – And how would you generally characterize Gen X? Boomers? The Silent Generation? The Greatest Generation? It does seem to me that the closer one gets to one’s own generation, the more favorable the characteristics listed become.

What positive attributes can we find in Gen Z? 

Greatest Generation:  Volunteered or were drafted to fight in WWII.  Lived through the Great Depression and learned to do without, participated in the war effort both on the battlefield and on the home front.  Dutifully served their nation and company for decades.  Appreciated structure and titles in the workplace.

Silent Generation:  Learned to do without during the Great Depression and WWII, came of age after the war with a booming economy.  Never complained because they knew how good they had it. 

Boomers: spoiled kids born after WWII.  Don't know poverty or serving their country like generations before.  Protested the system and dodged wars.  Their sheer numbers made them an economic influence, including high inflation in the 70s as they came of age and high economic output in the 90s when they were finally old enough to really accomplish things in masses and female participation in the paid workforce was at its highest. 

Gen X:  Didn't share the same counter-culture as their hippy Boomer parents, see no problem with Capitalism.  Took care of themselves after school while both parents entered the workforce, creating an independent mindset that lasted throughout their lives.  These are very hard workers, but prefer a portable 401k to a pension and won't be volunteering to do other's work at their company.

Millennials: For worries about being left alone after school like Gen X, Millennials were signed up for a plethora of supervised after school programs and sports.  They work well in groups and generally do whatever is asked of them.  They don't care about workplace titles so much, often working collaboratly across teams or departments, communicating directly with those much higher above them.  Hard to focus on one task for a long period of time and needs constant participation trophies and feedback to let them know they are doing good, as a result of receiving those their entire life.

Gen Z: Raised in the post-9/11 and social media age, parents of Gen Z worried about their safety and never let them out of their sight.  After school activities were reduced to the few activities that parents could attend, lest a volunteer adult abuse the child.  Kids were never allowed to make a decision about how to handle their day, as they've always been in phone contact with parents.  Gen Z college students attend student orientation with their parents.  While the most book learned generation, they have the least street smarts for never being allowed to free play without supervision during their formative years, or make their own life decisions after high school.  Gen Z does what they are told at work.  Then sit there waiting for the next assignment, as opposed to Millennials who will ask what the team needs.  Generation Z who are first generation college educated or who went to technical schools are better off, as their parents didn't do the college work for them, allowing these Gen Zs to make their own decisions and learn from them.

Edited February 23 by Vegas_Millennial

[Archangel]

@Vegas_Millennial – nihil obstat! 👏🏻 👏🏻 👏🏻 

[samhexum]

Gen Z ‘task-masking’ in the office & it’s destroying potential career growth

 

The “Z” stands for “zero effort.”

Gen Z employees are hiding how little they’re doing at work by “task masking,” a trend that is taking over TikTok — and the office.

In order to “task mask,” employees are making themselves appear like they are doing a lot of work, when in reality, they’re actually barely working. While the phenomenon isn’t necessarily new, the behavior is cropping up again as more companies enforce return-to-office mandates.

“Companies that demand their employees return to the office are sending a message that presence equals productivity,” Amanda Augustine, career coach at career.io, told Fortune.

“This [trend] reflects young professionals’ beliefs that time and ‘face time’ at work isn’t equal to their outcome and impact.”

While Jenni Field, the founder and CEO of Redefining Communications, argued that people who do not want to work simply won’t, she also told the publication that miscommunication and micromanagement could be to blame for the rise in “task masking.”

“If someone is not delivering results, the issue is not where they are working but how they are being managed,” she explained.

“If people are required to be in the office, there should be a clear purpose beyond just being seen, especially if the work could be done from home,” she continued. “If that purpose is missing, employees and leaders need to work together to redefine what in-person work should look like and address the root causes of task masking.”

Managers told Fortune that they’ve seen an increase in unnecessary meetings or taking too long on simple tasks. One human resources director claimed their company, which went unnamed, even saw a surge in mouse movement software.

City CV CEO and founder Victoria McLean told the outlet that the act of “task masking” should signal to managers that an issue needs to be addressed.

“If employees feel the need to task mask, the question isn’t ‘Why aren’t they working harder?’ It’s ‘Why don’t they feel their real work is valued?’” she explained.

“When people are putting more effort into appearing productive than actually being productive, there’s likely a trust or engagement issue at play.”

A Workhuman survey from 2024 found that 36% of employees faked productivity — a trend dubbed “fauxductivity” — with 70% of those claiming it did not have any effect on their results in the workplace.

“This indicates that the key reasons for ‘task masking’ may not be due to a refusal to do work, but rather from feelings of burn-out from being in the office or not having enough work to fill their hours in the office,” Augustine noted.

But experts warn young workers that consistently “task masking” may signal that the work environment isn’t a good fit — and could hinder their career growth. To beat “task masking,” they advised that, instead of looking busier, ask for more work.

“Your career isn’t built on desk hours; it’s built on results, relationships, and reputation. If you don’t see the value in being in the office, have an open conversation with your employer,” McLean said.

If the culture still values performative work over real contribution, you might want to reconsider whether that’s the right environment for your growth.”

[Archangel]

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[56harrisond]

Generation Z are struggling with telephobia, a “relatively recent phenomena” describing people who fear phone calls, according to Liz Baxter, a careers advisor at Nottingham College, a U.K.-based school for pupils aged 16 to 18 and older.

“Telephobia is a fear or anxiety around making and receiving telephone calls,” Baxter told CNBC Make It in an interview. “They’ve [Gen Z] just simply not had the opportunity for making and receiving telephone calls. It is not the main function of their phones these days, they can do anything on the phone, but we automatically default to texting, voice notes, and anything except actually using a telephone for its original intended purpose, and so people have lost that skill,” she explained.

 

Gen Z battling with phone anxiety are taking telephobia courses to learn the lost art of a call

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"They associate the ringing phone with fear," Liz Baxter, a career advisor at Nottingham College in the U.K. said of...

 

[ShortCutie7]

On 3/23/2025 at 7:10 AM, 56harrisond said:

Generation Z are struggling with telephobia, a “relatively recent phenomena” describing people who fear phone calls, according to Liz Baxter, a careers advisor at Nottingham College, a U.K.-based school for pupils aged 16 to 18 and older.

“Telephobia is a fear or anxiety around making and receiving telephone calls,” Baxter told CNBC Make It in an interview. “They’ve [Gen Z] just simply not had the opportunity for making and receiving telephone calls. It is not the main function of their phones these days, they can do anything on the phone, but we automatically default to texting, voice notes, and anything except actually using a telephone for its original intended purpose, and so people have lost that skill,” she explained.

 

Gen Z battling with phone anxiety are taking telephobia courses to learn the lost art of a call

WWW.CNBC.COM

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"They associate the ringing phone with fear," Liz Baxter, a career advisor at Nottingham College in the U.K. said of...

 

I’m a millennial and have what I refer to as “unknown telephobia”- I have no issue having phone conversations with people I already know/have some sort of relationship with, but have a lot of anxiety when the phone rings and I don’t know the person calling or what they want.  I also for whatever reason have a very difficult time understanding people with thick accents or unclear speech on the phone whereas in person I virtually never have that issue.

[+ ApexNomad]

24 minutes ago, ShortCutie7 said:

I’m a millennial and have what I refer to as “unknown telephobia”- I have no issue having phone conversations with people I already know/have some sort of relationship with, but have a lot of anxiety when the phone rings and I don’t know the person calling or what they want.  I also for whatever reason have a very difficult time understanding people with thick accents or unclear speech on the phone whereas in person I virtually never have that issue.

I think a lot of that stems from how technology has changed the way we communicate. There was a time when phone calls were just a normal part of life—whether it was catching up with friends, making appointments, or even handling difficult conversations. But now, with texting and email, we’ve lost a lot of that personal interaction.

Beyond that, electronics in general have taken something else away: storytelling. Families used to sit around the dinner table and talk about their day, share memories, and pass down stories. Now, everyone’s glued to their screens, even during meals. The art of conversation—really listening, responding in the moment, and connecting on a deeper level—has suffered. It’s not just about phone calls; it’s about how we communicate as a whole.

[Archangel]

8 hours ago, ApexNomad said:

Beyond that, electronics in general have taken something else away: storytelling. Families used to sit around the dinner table and talk about their day, share memories, and pass down stories. Now, everyone’s glued to their screens, even during meals. The art of conversation—really listening, responding in the moment, and connecting on a deeper level—has suffered. It’s not just about phone calls; it’s about how we communicate as a whole.

Oh, I still tell stories! And retell. And retell. 😂 I’m told so often I have already told this story! 

[marylander1940]

Good news about them?!

https://www.vice.com/en/article/gen-z-is-choosing-tea-over-booze-when-theyre-stressed/

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

13 minutes ago, marylander1940 said:

Good news about them?!

https://www.vice.com/en/article/gen-z-is-choosing-tea-over-booze-when-theyre-stressed/

I thought Gen Z was already notorious for wanting to spill the tea

[Archangel]

Here when I thought this thread was done…It keeps hanging on when it should quit – just like boomers. 

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

3 hours ago, Vegas_Millennial said:

3 hours ago, marylander1940 said:

Good news about them?!

https://www.vice.com/en/article/gen-z-is-choosing-tea-over-booze-when-theyre-stressed/

I thought Gen Z was already notorious for wanting to spill the tea

 

2 hours ago, Archangel said:

Here when I thought this thread was done…It keeps hanging on when it should quit – just like boomers. 

Being able to take a little humorous razzing is a good quality... One that often comes with maturity 😉.

I remember when Millennials were the butt of everyone's jokes, and years ago it was the boomers.  Some day, old timer, you'll be confused by Generations Alpha and Beta and the queer things they do.

Edited April 17 by Vegas_Millennial
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