Do twink escorts exist?

[Walt]

8 hours ago, DFdub said:

Absolutely agree with the sentiment for “boy” in contexts intending paedophilia/hebophilia role-play but… it seems questionable to always force the word into that box.

Ever called a lover “baby”? What of a 25yo man calling his 50yo lover “daddy”? Is “loverboy” always in the boy-cringe category? What about “sweetie” or “cutie” in sexual context even though frequently pet names for children? I say I’m going out with the “boys” sometimes when referring to a night out with males friends in mid-30s to 60s.
 

My point is, if the person saying “boy” truly means a playful word applied only to legal adults, perhaps any cringe should the responsibility of the listener not the speaker. Or, should we purge all word usage where literal meaning would be wildly different and abhorrent compared to informal common usage? Just something to think about.

Yes, its good to think about common usage. I think maybe in the context of two people having  pillow talk and private chatter about role play all bets may be off -- but beyond that it's a very slippery slope.  So what are your thoughts about speakers using "girl" to refer to women. using "boy" to refer to Black men, and using "sweetie" and "dear" to refer to senior citizens?

While those other groups have spoken out clearly about avoiding terms that infantilize them, why do so many gay men continue to mindlessly reinforce the idea that that they value being silly, vapidity, ageism, mindless nights out, and valuing skin tone over maturity simply because common usage allows for it? Just something to think about.

 

[DFdub]

4 hours ago, Walt said:

Yes, its good to think about common usage. I think maybe in the context of two people having  pillow talk and private chatter about role play all bets may be off -- but beyond that it's a very slippery slope.  So what are your thoughts about speakers using "girl" to refer to women. using "boy" to refer to Black men, and using "sweetie" and "dear" to refer to senior citizens?

While those other groups have spoken out clearly about avoiding terms that infantilize them, why do so many gay men continue to mindlessly reinforce the idea that that they value being silly, vapidity, ageism, mindless nights out, and valuing skin tone over maturity simply because common usage allows for it? Just something to think about.

 

Perhaps. Agree that context is king. (Common usage, not a pro-monarchy stance 😉). Also agree that things uttered across sheets are often ill-advised across the dinner table.

That said, adding racially-charged slurs to the mix seems quite an escalation and significant scope creep from a discussion on terms of affection in sexual/ romantic context. Referring to black men as “boy” is really just a euphemism for much more egregious words intended to place them as lesser overall societally. One could easily demonstrate this as consensus among the target population too (i.e. black men). But, I am open to objective evidence demonstrating that twinkish 18-24 yo men as consensus are offended by being called “boys”. My personal experience is quite the opposite though.

As to “girl” - I regularly hear men refer to female partners as “my girl” and have never thought “he’s a paedo/hebo”. To my ear, “my woman” strikes as more red-flaggish because it sounds possessive while “my girl” rather is accepted commonly to convey affection. What of “girl”-friend and “boy”-friend widely accepted as valid for adults too? Further, the wide usage of “my girl” and logic described for “boy” usage implications might suggest straight men also mindlessly reinforce the idea that that they value being silly, vapidity, ageism, mindless nights out, and valuing skin tone. Interesting position to contemplate.

Consider this: I refer to my 30yo female partner to my 35yo male close co-workers by saying, “Heading out early boys. Taking my girl out tonight. I like to spoil my baby every now and then.” Are these 3 references icky/ cringey/ sexualizing children? Or are they all 3 commonly understood ways to simply convey affection? I posit the latter.

As to seniors - I am not bothered by it but have not experienced “sweetie” or “dear” illiciting strong negative reaction from seniors. But, alas, I am a Southerner and we regularly call absolutely everyone “sweetie” or “dear” without insult taken (except to our Yankee friends of course 😉). But - a man who calls all women and only women “dear” or “honey” is probably guilty of a micro-aggression meant to diminish their stature comparatively to his own (reinforced by not doing similar with all other men).

Again, intent and context should ideally prevail over hyper-literalism - including relevant cultural norms. Great discussion 🤓 particularly when we focus on sharing ideas/thoughts and avoid unnecessarily inflammatory language with thinly veiled insults to those with the counter-perspective (e.g. “50yo men calling 20yo lovers ‘boys’ sound like paedos/hebos… I mean, to me, anyway”).

I can feel the admins about to remind us the thread is getting far afield from the topic though. 🤣

[twinkielover]

No no…not at all….you fine gentlemen have completely convinced me …there are very very few twinks worth trying to hire.  I thank you for reminding me it is 2024 and not 2010.  

Edited September 29, 2024 by twinkielover

[oclatin92xxx]

13 hours ago, DFdub said:

Perhaps. Agree that context is king. (Common usage, not a pro-monarchy stance 😉). Also agree that things uttered across sheets are often ill-advised across the dinner table.

That said, adding racially-charged slurs to the mix seems quite an escalation and significant scope creep from a discussion on terms of affection in sexual/ romantic context. Referring to black men as “boy” is really just a euphemism for much more egregious words intended to place them as lesser overall societally. One could easily demonstrate this as consensus among the target population too (i.e. black men). But, I am open to objective evidence demonstrating that twinkish 18-24 yo men as consensus are offended by being called “boys”. My personal experience is quite the opposite though.

As to “girl” - I regularly hear men refer to female partners as “my girl” and have never thought “he’s a paedo/hebo”. To my ear, “my woman” strikes as more red-flaggish because it sounds possessive while “my girl” rather is accepted commonly to convey affection. What of “girl”-friend and “boy”-friend widely accepted as valid for adults too? Further, the wide usage of “my girl” and logic described for “boy” usage implications might suggest straight men also mindlessly reinforce the idea that that they value being silly, vapidity, ageism, mindless nights out, and valuing skin tone. Interesting position to contemplate.

Consider this: I refer to my 30yo female partner to my 35yo male close co-workers by saying, “Heading out early boys. Taking my girl out tonight. I like to spoil my baby every now and then.” Are these 3 references icky/ cringey/ sexualizing children? Or are they all 3 commonly understood ways to simply convey affection? I posit the latter.

As to seniors - I am not bothered by it but have not experienced “sweetie” or “dear” illiciting strong negative reaction from seniors. But, alas, I am a Southerner and we regularly call absolutely everyone “sweetie” or “dear” without insult taken (except to our Yankee friends of course 😉). But - a man who calls all women and only women “dear” or “honey” is probably guilty of a micro-aggression meant to diminish their stature comparatively to his own (reinforced by not doing similar with all other men).

Again, intent and context should ideally prevail over hyper-literalism - including relevant cultural norms. Great discussion 🤓 particularly when we focus on sharing ideas/thoughts and avoid unnecessarily inflammatory language with thinly veiled insults to those with the counter-perspective (e.g. “50yo men calling 20yo lovers ‘boys’ sound like paedos/hebos… I mean, to me, anyway”).

I can feel the admins about to remind us the thread is getting far afield from the topic though. 🤣

I 1000% agree with this. The context matters. Great point btw for bringing up boy when used in a racially condescending/pejorative way. As a minority who had the misfortune of growing up in a racist mid sized southern city, I can attest that “boy” is still very much used by a lot of assholes in that part of the country. I have no issue with someone saying “i’m going out with the boys to refer to their friends”, but I 100% find it cringe when I read on the forums or hear it in person when an older man/men uses it in a sexual context when referring to younger guys. Btw I also find it cringe when I hear young guys or women call their partners daddies in public. That doesn’t mean that I think people should be banned from using the word, I just personally find it off putting. 

[oclatin92xxx]

13 hours ago, DFdub said:

Heading out early boys. Taking my girl out tonight. I like to spoil my baby every now and then.” Are these 3 references icky/ cringey/ sexualizing children? Or are they all 3 commonly understood ways to simply convey affection? I posit the latter.

Also, just saying you should provably reconsider using language like this in a work setting, might be cool in a social setting but yeah if I heard that as your coworker I would definitely cringe. If you were a close colleague my first thought would be to pull you aside and say “hey it’s cool and all that you’re friends with so and so but you may need to tone it down at work because you never know who might report you to HR”. I’m a millennial so maybe it’s a generational difference (we’ve definitely been trained to be more cautious and aware in this regard) but I definitely see a lot of people older than me at work constantly crossing certain lines without every realizing it, it’s a huge topic of conversation in some of my group chats with my other young colleagues. 

[BonVivant]

Context is everything. We all know what folks are referring to when they say “girls night out” or “boys trip”. No one is referring to 12 year olds. 

[Walt]

10 hours ago, BonVivant said:

Context is everything. We all know what folks are referring to when they say “girls night out” or “boys trip”. No one is referring to 12 year olds. 

Yes, no one is referring to 12 year olds. And that is EXACTLY the point. That wording infantilizes those who are being referred to. It is precisely that minimalizing and marginalizing treatment of full-fledged adults that is done casually without thinking that I was pointing out.

[DFdub]

17 hours ago, oclatin92xxx said:

Also, just saying you should provably reconsider using language like this in a work setting, might be cool in a social setting but yeah if I heard that as your coworker I would definitely cringe. If you were a close colleague my first thought would be to pull you aside and say “hey it’s cool and all that you’re friends with so and so but you may need to tone it down at work because you never know who might report you to HR”. I’m a millennial so maybe it’s a generational difference (we’ve definitely been trained to be more cautious and aware in this regard) but I definitely see a lot of people older than me at work constantly crossing certain lines without every realizing it, it’s a huge topic of conversation in some of my group chats with my other young colleagues. 

I’m a millennial. I work in HR at a very progressive, DEI-forward corporation. We’d tell you there is nothing inappropriate with the language and close the case. Agreed that many, many things from days past are not workplace appropriate, but this ain’t that.

Just because a person interprets certain wording as personally cringey does not make it inappropriate. I definitely see a lot of people older and younger and same age as me constantly conflating “I don’t care for this” with “this is objectively offensive and wrong”; it’s a huge topic of conversation with my other young, millennial HR colleagues. 🙂

I personally find hyper-literalism to defend enforcement of personal wordsmithing choices to be cringey. But, to each their own. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[+ PhileasFogg]

3 hours ago, Walt said:

Yes, no one is referring to 12 year olds. And that is EXACTLY the point. That wording infantilizes those who are being referred to. It is precisely that minimalizing and marginalizing treatment of full-fledged adults that is done casually without thinking that I was pointing out.

Welllllll, rarely is the behavior on those excursions age appropriate to the participants.  Is it different because I might call it “guys night out?”  Personally, I think way too much debate is being put into semantics.   It’s kinda a debate of form over substance IMO 

I think in the end, for whatever reason, we all have our own preferences and tastes.   We all use words, some of which vary by age or generation, that mean different things in and out of context.   And perhaps debate over these things is majoring in the minors?

[Becket]

Had an escort look me in the eye with his steely gaze and tell me, "I am nobody's boy!" That stuck with me, so I don't use that term too much anymore.

[+ PhileasFogg]

25 minutes ago, Becket said:

Had an escort look me in the eye with his steely gaze and tell me, "I am nobody's boy!" That stuck with me, so I don't use that term too much anymore.

And I don’t like it when younger men call me “daddy”

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

On 9/29/2024 at 11:54 AM, oclatin92xxx said:

I’m a millennial so maybe it’s a generational difference (we’ve definitely been trained to be more cautious and aware in this regard) but I definitely see a lot of people older than me at work constantly crossing certain lines without every realizing it, it’s a huge topic of conversation in some of my group chats with my other young colleagues. 

I, too, am a millennial.  My ex boyfriend and I often called each other "Babe" in public.  Even just now reading that other millennials have been trained to hear the "literal" definition of pet names such as "babe" (which is someone even younger than a "boy"), that would not stop me from using this pet name with my beaux.  Whether or not the boy is a Twink or a Daddy, we can still call each other "Babe".

Edited September 30, 2024 by Vegas_Millennial

[BonVivant]

Reading the comments on here, I just had a sigh of relief: thank god we don’t use “zygote” as a term of endearment! Oh the horror! 😱😱😱 

[DGHou]

Who here has not said, or heard of, a "night out with the boys", or the "boys and I are having a poker night", etc.  referring to a group of adult men over the age of 18?  It's just a phrase I grew up with (I am a boomer) and I know it does not mean a child.

[maninsoma]

I don't think I've ever used the phrase "the boys" to refer to my group of friends.  I probably used "the guys" instead.  I'm not offended by others using the term. 

[+ PhileasFogg]

45 minutes ago, maninsoma said:

I don't think I've ever used the phrase "the boys" to refer to my group of friends.  I probably used "the guys" instead.  I'm not offended by others using the term. 

I use “guys”.  I think it’s more common in communities where the men grew up together and are doing things with guys they’ve known since boyhood. 

[+ DrownedBoy]

When I call a a man "boy," it reflects the fact I don't believe they're mature enough to be a man.

If I say I want to "play" with someone, I mean emotionally meaningless NSA sexual activities, as opposed to an actual connection or relationship.

Please note that I've called 70 year old men "boys!"

[Asterisk]

Which twink escort does this reference?  Or is this just some general Question about Hiring or Lounge topic, plopped here for attention?

Asking philosophically.

[mike carey]

1 hour ago, Asterisk said:

Which twink escort does this reference?  Or is this just some general Question about Hiring or Lounge topic, plopped here for attention?

Asking philosophically.

Speaking philosophically, the original question was asking for advice on twink escorts that may be available. The question has been broadened to some extent to wonder how broadly (or narrowly) the term twink could be applied but that's clarification of the question that still fits into the Deli. Some discussion has taken a further, and more questionable (as far as being on topic) turn, to canvass loosely related questions of terminology and ethics. The question is simple, to paraphrase, 'Are there twink escorts and where are they?' It wasn't asking if you want to hire a twink or how you can refer to them.

[Walt]

On 9/30/2024 at 1:36 AM, PhileasFogg said:

Welllllll, rarely is the behavior on those excursions age appropriate to the participants.  Is it different because I might call it “guys night out?”  Personally, I think way too much debate is being put into semantics.   It’s kinda a debate of form over substance IMO 

I think in the end, for whatever reason, we all have our own preferences and tastes.   We all use words, some of which vary by age or generation, that mean different things in and out of context.   And perhaps debate over these things is majoring in the minors?

“When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’

’The question is,’ said Alice, ‘whether you can make words mean so many different things.’

’The question is,’ said Humpty Dumpty, ‘which is to be master — that’s all.”

― Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking Glass

[Guest]

As a reformed twink, I often saw in NYC that there was less interest. Often it was an age thing or guys just looking for a different body type than what I was offering. Once it was apparent I could hold a conversation it changed slightly, but from personal experience, the demand isn't as high for a couple overlapping reasons. That would lead to a decrease in advertising providers that fit that body type.

[+ DrownedBoy]

23 hours ago, BodeBrentwood said:

As a reformed twink, I often saw in NYC that there was less interest. Often it was an age thing or guys just looking for a different body type than what I was offering. Once it was apparent I could hold a conversation it changed slightly, but from personal experience, the demand isn't as high for a couple overlapping reasons. That would lead to a decrease in advertising providers that fit that body type.

"Reformed twink?"

[Guest]

2 hours ago, DrownedBoy said:

"Reformed twink?"

lol that was a joke. I've since aged out into more of a standard guy next door look.

[mike carey]

Well, 're-formed' is a thing we all go through!