Best African country for boys?

[nopelo]

Hello, 

Would love any info on hiring men in African countries. I can provide some general info on a few countries there, but never tried hiring, just cruising for free. 

Thanks in advance! 

[KeepItReal]

I tried and was successful in finding companionship in Southern Africa. Very reasonable rates when compared to North America and Western Europe. Compared favorably with South America. PreP isn't commonly used and testing for STDs is sporadic - you would be advised to play safe. 

Edited April 30 by KeepItReal

[+ nycman]

Just to add on, HIV remains rampant and often untreated in Africa. 

PREP, PEP, wrap your Willy, get routine testing, light candles, give alms to the poor. 

The "odds" are NOT in your favor. 

[+ Lucky]

On 4/30/2024 at 2:34 AM, nopelo said:

Hello, 

Would love any info on hiring men in African countries. I can provide some general info on a few countries there, but never tried hiring, just cruising for free. 

Thanks in advance! 

Since you want to hire men, I am confused why you titled the thread Best African County for Boys.

[+ FrankR]

7 minutes ago, Lucky said:

Since you want to hire men, I am confused why you titled the thread Best African County for Boys.

Right! Exactly! From now on we decree that cowboys will be known as cowmen, the Baker Boys will be known as the Baker Men and the Amazon show “The Boys” will be known as “The Men”. So say we all! 😋

[nopelo]

On 4/30/2024 at 12:28 PM, KeepItReal said:

I tried and was successful in finding companionship in Southern Africa. Very reasonable rates when compared to North America and Western Europe. Compared favorably with South America. PreP isn't commonly used and testing for STDs is sporadic - you would be advised to play safe. 

Well, I'm on prep so I don't worry about that. Thanks for the info, mate! 

[nopelo]

On 5/1/2024 at 3:51 PM, Lucky said:

Since you want to hire men, I am confused why you titled the thread Best African County for Boys.

I think it's because I just came back from Brazil and "boy" is the second most common euphemism for a male prostitute there. The most common being "garoto de programa", but I didn't think that to be widely understood. I have seen the word "boy" used that way in many forums, Spain, Portugal, US, all over really. So it was no reference to age at all. 

To me an escort is a professional with an amount of class, and typically high prices, pretty faces and gymmed up bodies, often gay and frequent visitors to the hottest party events. That's the total opposite of what I look for, I like guys who are a bit more real, masculine, less cultivated and even less professional if you like, guys with a day job and maybe kids, who want some extra fun and money on the side. If they are young, that's cool, as long as they are manly, but my preference is guys 30-40 years old. 

[nopelo]

On 4/30/2024 at 6:30 PM, nycman said:

Just to add on, HIV remains rampant and often untreated in Africa. 

PREP, PEP, wrap your Willy, get routine testing, light candles, give alms to the poor. 

The "odds" are NOT in your favor. 

Thank you for this warning, but I fail to see the purpose of painting out Africa/ns as a threat when it comes to HIV. The responsibility to protect oneself lies with all of us, irrespectively of where we are born or where we travel. PrEP, TasP and condoms are options that are available to all of us (yes, even to Africans). What's the point of shaming a certain nation or continent? Barebacking without having considered the mentioned ways of protecting oneself (and as a consequence other partners) is not a responsible choice anywhere in the world. Period. 

[+ Lucky]

@nopelo Thanks for the good responses.

[+ nycman]

5 hours ago, nopelo said:

What's the point of shaming a certain nation or continent?

Statistics aren’t shaming and they don’t care about your feelings. They’re facts.

Sex is always a game of Russian Roulette. I’m just pointing out how many bullets are in the chamber.

Best of luck.

[viewing ownly]

Morocco.

[+ Axiom2001]

1 hour ago, viewing ownly said:

Morocco.

It would have been wonderful if you had cited the rationale and specifics to fully address your choice of countries.

[nopelo]

10 hours ago, nycman said:

Statistics aren’t shaming and they don’t care about your feelings. They’re facts.

Sex is always a game of Russian Roulette. I’m just pointing out how many bullets are in the chamber.

Best of luck.

Yes, well the statistics disagree with you on that, nycman. The statistics show with no opening for interpretation that both TasP and PrEP (and condoms) are extremely efficient ways to protect yourself and others from HIV, so close to 100 percent protection that it's not relevant to assess it even as a theoretical risk. 

[+ nycman]

2 hours ago, nopelo said:

Yes, well the statistics disagree with you on that, nycman. The statistics show with no opening for interpretation that both TasP and PrEP (and condoms) are extremely efficient ways to protect yourself and others from HIV, so close to 100 percent protection that it's not relevant to assess it even as a theoretical risk. 

I don’t think you understand how math (or Russian Roulette for that matter) works, but good luck. 

[nopelo]

1 hour ago, nycman said:

I don’t think you understand how math (or Russian Roulette for that matter) works, but good luck. 

Well, Russian Roulette with a trillion blanks and only half a bullet is not Russian Roulette anymore. I think that's obvious to anyone. If you are claiming that PrEP is not an adequate and efficient way to protect yourself against HIV , you are rather alone in that assessment. 

[pubic_assistance]

1 hour ago, nycman said:

I don’t think you understand how math (or Russian Roulette for that matter) works, but good luck. 

Don't even bother trying to explain. There are many gays who so desperately want to bareback with everyone that they purposefully ignore the actual statistics on PreP.

"ALMOST" 100% EFFICIENT is all they hear.

 

[pubic_assistance]

2 minutes ago, nopelo said:

If you are claiming that PrEP is not an adequate and efficient way to protect yourself against HIV , you are rather alone in that assessment. 

No he's not.

Plenty of people are more realistic about it than you want to be.

[nopelo]

1 hour ago, pubic_assistance said:

No he's not.

Plenty of people are more realistic about it than you want to be.

The numbers are out there for anyone to form an opinion.

Although you can count more strictly only the cases where it is clear the infected person did have sufficient adherence/drug levels in the relevant body tissues (there are 2 or 3 cases like this) or you can count also the cases where the person _claims_ to have been adhering perfectly to PrEP, but it's has not been clinically confirmed (I think there are just under 20 cases like that, which include the previously mentioned ones), if you put these numbers in relation to around 1 million people using PrEP over a period of more than 10 years, at least to me it's pretty clear that the risk is miniscule, not to say neglectable. 

A million people using PrEP for over ten years and at most 2 per year ending up with what is a perfectly treatable condition. I can live with that. If you can't that's really up to you. But comparing the above statistics with Russian Roulette is simply ridiculous  as that roulette entails a one in six chance of dying on the spot. I am confident most readers of this post will understand the difference. 

[pubic_assistance]

5 hours ago, nopelo said:

A million people using PrEP for over ten years and at most 2 per year ending up with what is a perfectly treatable condition.

You're quoting the pharmaceutical company data from closed experiments. That is very different from the clinical data from real life. 

[pubic_assistance]

Back to the subject... I've been to Morocco, Senegal, Gambia, Kenya, Tanzania, South Africa and Lesotho.

I would say South Africa, particularly Cape Town is the easiest place to find a male escort who isn't going to give you any problems.

Morocco in Marakesh has an underground "anything goes" tourist culture where anything you want can be had for a price...but always at your own risk when something goes bad. If you want to procure quality company, hire a professional guide who can introduce you to the best providers in adult entertainment.

Other places I've traveled have legions of poor young men willing to make a few bucks by letting an American suck their dick..but again at your own peril. Local laws throughout much of Africa criminalizes homosexuality, but turns a blind eye when it's a tourist. Doesn't mean you can't get caught up in some drama and required to pay a bribe to make it go away.

 

Edited May 5 by pubic_assistance
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[claym]

On 5/4/2024 at 3:26 PM, pubic_assistance said:

Back to the subject... I've been to Morocco, Senegal, Gambia, Kenya, Tanzania, South Africa and Lesotho.

I would say South Africa, particularly Cape Town is the easiest place to find a male escort who isn't going to give you any problems.

Morocco in Marakesh has an underground "anything goes" tourist culture where anything you want can be had for a price...but always at your own risk when something goes bad. If you want to procure quality company, hire a professional guide who can introduce you to the best providers in adult entertainment.

Other places I've traveled have legions of poor young men willing to make a few bucks by letting an American suck their dick..but again at your own peril. Local laws throughout much of Africa criminalizes homosexuality, but turns a blind eye when it's a tourist. Doesn't mean you can't get caught up in some drama and required to pay a bribe to make it go away.

 

This is all excellent information.  Thank you.   I am intrigued by your suggestion of involving a professional guide.  Would such a person be the male guide also accompanying the traveler on typical tourist excursions or a person to particularly seek out for assistance with procurement?  I am trying to envision how I might be successful in such an effort.  Decades ago, while traveling in Thailand, I found tuk-tuk drivers always wanting to find me a woman.  I quickly learned to say in Thai "I do not like women" and "I like men."  As I remember, I then was successful in finding male companions.  But I rarely saw that tuk-tuk ever again, so I might have been less timid about saying asking for help with what I wanted.

[pubic_assistance]

1 hour ago, claym said:

I am intrigued by your suggestion of involving a professional guide.  Would such a person be the male guide also accompanying the traveler on typical tourist excursions or a person to particularly seek out for assistance with procurement?

My first time in Morrocco I hired a professional guide from the Mamounia Hotel where we were staying. Initially we just wanted him to get us to the best sites and some insight to avoiding scams. He was also instrumental in keeping all the trinket sellers away from us when we'd walk through the souk and got us into some incredible private restaurants that were off the regular tourist route. We asked him to join us for dinner one evening and he was talking about how he always works with Dolce and Gabbana when they are in town. And how he always gets them "anything and everything" they could want. So without trying to get him to divulge in exactly what his clients were up to we simply said that sounds amazing. We'd love to see some more of your secret locations. So he took us to a beautiful lounge where there were a lot of beautiful young men serving drinks who were available to take back to one of the small rooms upstairs from the lounge. That guide was worth every penny.  We got to see a whole underground economy of Marrakech.

Edited May 6 by pubic_assistance

[SouthOfTheBorder]

On 5/3/2024 at 10:39 AM, nopelo said:

To me an escort is a professional with an amount of class, and typically high prices, pretty faces and gymmed up bodies, often gay and frequent visitors to the hottest party events. That's the total opposite of what I look for, I like guys who are a bit more real, masculine, less cultivated and even less professional if you like, guys with a day job and maybe kids, who want some extra fun and money on the side. If they are young, that's cool, as long as they are manly, but my preference is guys 30-40 years old.

the OP description of escort is actually a very small subset of professional providers.  The vast majority are far more average types no matter the place.

the subsequent preferred description of a “bit more real, masculine……” is more like the typical providers in Brazil & Thailand, where they have a fairly well developed market for this exact thing. There are hundreds of guys that fit that description. 

idk - maybe the attraction for Africa is going somewhere where it’s more difficult/risky/dangerous ?  If the purpose is to meet men, that just doesn’t seem worthwhile to travel all that way & then perhaps a letdown when it doesn’t work out for whatever reason.
 

[claym]

On 5/6/2024 at 5:02 PM, pubic_assistance said:

My first time in Morrocco I hired a professional guide from the Mamounia Hotel where we were staying. Initially we just wanted him to get us to the best sites and some insight to avoiding scams. He was also instrumental in keeping all the trinket sellers away from us when we'd walk through the souk and got us into some incredible private restaurants that were off the regular tourist route. We asked him to join us for dinner one evening and he was talking about how he always works with Dolce and Gabbana when they are in town. And how he always gets them "anything and everything" they could want. So without trying to get him to divulge in exactly what his clients were up to we simply said that sounds amazing. We'd love to see some more of your secret locations. So he took us to a beautiful lounge where there were a lot of beautiful young men serving drinks who were available to take back to one of the small rooms upstairs from the lounge. That guide was worth every penny.  We got to see a whole underground economy of Marrakech.

We'd love to see some more of your secret locations. So he took us to a beautiful lounge where there were a lot of beautiful young men serving drinks who were available to take back to one of the small rooms upstairs from the lounge. That guide was worth every penny.  We got to see a whole underground economy of Marrakech.

Great info and great story.  I guess a takeaway is just letting one thing lead to another with a little bit of steering.  Morocco is close to the top of my bucket list!

[pubic_assistance]

2 hours ago, claym said:

.  I guess a takeaway is just letting one thing lead to another with a little bit of steering.

The takeaway is that rich people all like a little "naughty-naughty" so if you're staying at a four star or above, the service people are accustomed to finding fun for their customers that may be outside the realm of strictly legal.

Some of those boys couldn't have been more than 16. (Definitely not MY thing.) But as we learned with Epstein, powerful people get a thrill over crossing the line of legal.

Edited May 8 by pubic_assistance